The Time Paradox: How does this affect guys ability to stay on a fitness program?

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    Jun 28, 2009 1:12 PM GMT
    I've just seen this very interesting video by Psychologist Philip Zimbardo about our concepts of time and how we think about our past, present, and future. This made me think about the issues of working out and nutrition, as much of that is about doing something now for future benefits. This has been a big shift for me in loosing weight and getting in shape.

    I'm supplying two videos and an assessment below. The first video is a short TED Talk that's an intro to the subject, and then a longer talk that goes into the subject in depth.

    Short Intro:



    Longer Presentation:



    Here's the link to the Zimbardo Time Perspective Inventor.

    I think that this shows that many people do not have a developed enough future thought process that they can't see a reason to go to the gym or stay on their nutrition plan. I also have noticed from many postings on here that many guys have a very jaded/negative view of others, and that will affect how they approach possibilities in the future.

    Your thoughts?


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    Jun 28, 2009 6:46 PM GMT
    bump!
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    Jun 28, 2009 11:47 PM GMT
    "YOU HAVE TIME TO DO ANYTHING YOU WANT TO DO"
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    Jun 28, 2009 11:48 PM GMT
    Alpha13 said"YOU HAVE TIME TO DO ANYTHING YOU WANT TO DO"


    ANYthing yes, but not EVERYthing.
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    Jun 29, 2009 12:30 AM GMT
    Sometimes, it isn't our perception of time versus our perception of consequence and action. Some people do not have a developed sense of linking action with outcome partiicularly if the outcome would not be felt for a while. We tend to be more sensitive to more immediate consequences than far off distant ones.

    I work with people who struggle to manage their lives more effectively. In people with Attnetion Deficit Disorder ( I mean the real one not the blanket label we see slapped on anyone who has a falter in attention...) - There is evidence that the region of the brain that is underactive in folks with this disorder controls sensitivity to consequences. I think though we can all be subject to ignoring long term consequences.

    In the case of fitness/nutrition I can see that really being an issue since outcomes tends to be gradual and longer term - it can be hard for people to sustain motivation without seeing the payoff more immediately.

    oh and I've learned Im my worst enemy - I never "see" results and am my worst critic but I think that's more common than not.

    BTW, Im a healthcare professional hence the blabbering above..lol
  • swogdog

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    Jun 29, 2009 12:47 AM GMT
    jprichva saidWell, I didn't watch the video, but it seems to me that the classic time paradox would be a problem.

    For instance, suppose you were to go back in time a few weeks and go to the gym. You want to use the lateral pulldown machine, but it's occupied, so you wait and wait and get more and more annoyed, until you realize that the jackass that's hogging the machine.....is YOU!

    Then you both explode.


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  • DrewT

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    Jun 29, 2009 12:58 AM GMT
    Did anyone else take the test thing?

    My Scores:

    Past-negative 3.60
    Past-positive 3.67
    Present-hedonistic 3.40
    Present-fatalistic 2.67
    Future 3.69

    Why I think I got what I did
    Past-negative: Dear family, thanks for kicking me out. (High for ideal)

    Past-positive: I love the smell of going home and just reliving some great memories. (Low for ideal)

    Present-hedonistic: I spend too much money without think about it. Bad me. And I sometimes eat bad. I'm getting better about balancing this out. (Slightly below ideal) Maybe I should live more and not just sit around all day.

    Present-fatalistic: Sometimes its very hard not to think that everyone and everything is out to get you. It can certainly feel that way. I think if I took this 2 years ago it would be much higher (high for ideal).

    Future: I definitely like to plan and much sure things will work out. I'm getting better at making sure I consider my future. (below ideal)

    Overall, I think I'm going in the right direction. I just have to get over some issues. I know what I have to do to make life better. icon_smile.gif
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    Jun 29, 2009 3:31 AM GMT
    but... but... he looks like a regenerated Master from Doctor Who...

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  • MSUBioNerd

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    Jun 29, 2009 3:33 AM GMT
    I watched the shorter video. There is no paradox in anything he says there. Doesn't that strike you as odd, given the title?
  • DrewT

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    Jun 29, 2009 5:08 AM GMT
    MSUBioNerd saidI watched the shorter video. There is no paradox in anything he says there. Doesn't that strike you as odd, given the title?


    The title of the forum post? Yes. The title of the video? No.
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    Jun 29, 2009 5:20 AM GMT
    growingbig saidbut... but... he looks like a regenerated Master from Doctor Who...

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    no wonder he knows so much about time icon_eek.gif
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    Jun 29, 2009 7:08 AM GMT
    More like Yuri. Ehehehe

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    My results on the ZTPI.

    Past-negative 3.10
    Past-positive 3.78
    Present-hedonistic 3.67
    Present-fatalistic 3.89
    Future 2.08

    The ideal results should be:

    Past-negative 1.95
    Past-positive 4.60
    Present-hedonistic 3.9
    Present-fatalistic 1.95
    Future 4.0

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    Quite bad. I'm not a future person. icon_sad.gif
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    Jul 05, 2009 4:29 PM GMT
    My scores:

    Past-negative 4.10
    Past-positive 2.78
    Present-hedonistic 2.93
    Present-fatalistic 1.44
    Future 4.15


    Seems about right to me. Negative experiences from the past (being teased by both family and classmates for being fat and stupid) greatly influence the way I live today (workout 3-4 times a week on top of preparing for grad school).

    Although I have to disagree with the "ideal" time perspective values. In my case, who is to say that dwelling on past negative experiences is necessarily a bad thing if it motivates you to be more future-oriented?