Workout supliments...

  • SpikeJock

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    Jun 28, 2009 3:10 PM GMT
    Never posted on these before, but figured I'd solicit some advice...

    For the past year I've been focusing on lifting, but doing more cardio and core exercise to loose weight and tone. 18 months ago, I weighed 220, I'm down to 190 now (6'2'), so I'm ready to begin to put on some really good muscle mass.

    I lift 5 x per week, chest/arms 2 x, back/shoulders 2x, legs 1x; and do cardio/volleyball 4 x week (hence legs only 1x).

    Questions are:

    1. What kind of proteins does anyone recommend? Soy, etc?
    2. Anyone had any success with Endurox r4 (recovery drink)?
    3. The dreaded creatine question... is it good, bad, helps, etc?

    All I've done so far is supliment with a generic GNC brand soy protein, and juiceplus vitamin supliments.

    Thanks for any (helpful) advice.
  • UFJocknerd

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    Jun 28, 2009 3:35 PM GMT
    Welcome to the board bro icon_biggrin.gif

    1. Is there a dietary reason you want soy protein? I'd just go with whey if not. And don't buy from GNC. They charge double or more what you can find online at places like massnutrition or bodybuilding.com.

    2. I just have a protein shake and a gatorade; never used that stuff.

    3. Love creatine. Wait till you've been lifting for a few months before you start it though, and follow the directions (e.g. drink more water than you ever have before).
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    Jun 28, 2009 8:10 PM GMT
    1. You'll probably like real food or whey protein better. Lots of folks aren't hip on soy. You can read up on it online on any good bodybuilding board.

    2. You can carb up on fast carbs (sugars) post workout, along with some slow carbs and protein. No need for any fancy drinks. Sugar is sugar, and starch is starch, wherever it comes from. E.g. Kool-Aid (or some apple juice or orange juice, or potatoes), corn starch, and protein powder can make for a great recovery drink. Read the ingredients of some of the stuff from the "supplement" store. Corn starch? Uh huh. Potato starch? Uh huh. A wise man does his research. You can buy corn starch for as little as 87 cents at Wally World, and it's actually better because it's less refined.

    3. Creatine will help your endurance some, because of how it ties into CPK synthesis, but, it'll make you a bit "bloaty" / fuller. Insulin with about a 60/40 mix of slow carbs to fast carbs, along with about 40 grams of protein, post workout will do the most of all to help you there. It's over the counter in the U.S., and Canada, but, you'll want to study the protocol carefully before messing with it. Being the shuttle hormone, insulin is the most anabolic hormone of all. You can get it at any pharmacy in North and South America. Like I said, you need to study up on its use if you wanna' use it. To much, and you'll be lying on the floor, but, unless you took a buttload...well...there you go.

    At 41, you want to make sure your testosterone levels are high enough to support continued good health and recovery. If you're not on testosterone or AAS, have your testosterone tested, and if it's even close to low get on the most natural thing of all: testosterone. HRT is cheap, as low as $30 per month for compounded testosterone in EMU, nothing could be more natural, and prevents a long list of disease as well as promotes a sense of well being.
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    Jun 28, 2009 10:30 PM GMT
    Soy protein is great if you're a woman and you're going through menopause. icon_lol.gif

    1) Whey protein definitely. Optimum Nutrition is pretty good. There are other brands that you can try. But stay away from GNC, Weider, and Muscle Tech brands. They're junk.

    2) Endurox is pricey for what it is. You can mix up your own post recovery drink. Just get a scoop of Glyco Maize and mix it with your protein powder, and add some sugar to it. Or if you're feeling lazy and spendy, you can just grab a smoothie from Jamba Juice.

    3) Creatine is good. But not all people respond to it. So buy the smallest tub you can find and see if it works for you. Forget about the pre-loading stuff that might be mentioned on the label. It's a waste time and waste of creatine. You can add it to your post recovery shake. OR you can add to your favorite juice and drink it before you head to the gym.
  • Sparkycat

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    Jun 29, 2009 3:11 AM GMT
    So, if post workout I have a protein powder drink made with milk and eat a couple pieces of fruit or drink a glass of juice I'm getting both the slow and fast carbs, right? I inject testosterone once per week (prescribed by endocrinologist). Do you think the compounded type works better. I tried androgel four or five years ago but could not absord it well enough.



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    2. You can carb up on fast carbs (sugars) post workout, along with some slow carbs and protein. No need for any fancy drinks. Sugar is sugar, and starch is starch, wherever it comes from. E.g. Kool-Aid (or some apple juice or orange juice, or potatoes), corn starch, and protein powder can make for a great recovery drink. Read the ingredients of some of the stuff from the "supplement" store. Corn starch? Uh huh. Potato starch? Uh huh. A wise man does his research. You can buy corn starch for as little as 87 cents at Wally World, and it's actually better because it's less refined.

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    Jun 29, 2009 3:32 AM GMT
    There are so many things and supplements you can use. You already have the right idea though. Protein is key obviously, and such a huge part of muscle mass gain. Do your research. In mine I have found there are two superior proteins, and this is obviously opinion:

    1. Oryxx goats milk whey: goats milk is the closest to mimicking the enzymes in humans. it is incredibly absorbable and tastes good.
    2. isopure: its essentially protein put through the washing machine so everything bad is taken out of it. totally lactose free, but doesnt taste great.

    for creatine, i think the best come in pill forms, such as ester-creatine. stay away from powders or anything "monohydrate". those require so much sugar to be delivered to the muscle, 1:10 gram ratio, and is not absorbed by the body easily. thats what leads to water retention and muscle mass loss when the product usage is stopped.

    Many people dont like GNC, but they have a good product called amplified creatine that is only 2 pills a day and your body absorbs it well. its also a decent price. good luck...
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    Jun 29, 2009 6:41 AM GMT
    Sparkycat saidSo, if post workout I have a protein powder drink made with milk and eat a couple pieces of fruit or drink a glass of juice I'm getting both the slow and fast carbs, right? I inject testosterone once per week (prescribed by endocrinologist). Do you think the compounded type works better. I tried androgel four or five years ago but could not absord it well enough.



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    2. You can carb up on fast carbs (sugars) post workout, along with some slow carbs and protein. No need for any fancy drinks. Sugar is sugar, and starch is starch, wherever it comes from. E.g. Kool-Aid (or some apple juice or orange juice, or potatoes), corn starch, and protein powder can make for a great recovery drink. Read the ingredients of some of the stuff from the "supplement" store. Corn starch? Uh huh. Potato starch? Uh huh. A wise man does his research. You can buy corn starch for as little as 87 cents at Wally World, and it's actually better because it's less refined.



    Sounds like you're right on track.

    Compounded testosterone in EMU seems to undergo less scrutiny than injections than those who want to be in charge, and you can get it at much higher doses and much lower costs than Androgel. Androgel is a rip off. If you're doing injection now, that's your best way, if you're able to get enough of it. You'll have to talk to your health care provider. The EMU compounded is also a bunch cheaper than injection. Cheap, cheap, cheap. $35 to $45 locally. You have to have a compounding pharmacist, which is not usually the case at some chain drug store.