Westboro Baptist Church

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    Jun 29, 2009 2:39 PM GMT
    A Victory for Westboro Baptist Church

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090629/ap_on_go_su_co/us_supreme_court_funeral_protests_1
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    Jun 29, 2009 2:58 PM GMT
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  • HndsmKansan

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    Jun 29, 2009 3:04 PM GMT
    Very tragic indeed

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    Jun 29, 2009 3:11 PM GMT
    You may thank Bush appointees to the US Supreme Court. Let's have a round of applause for Republicans! And all their supporters here on RJ! YAY!
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    Jun 29, 2009 3:26 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa saidYou may thank Bush appointees to the US Supreme Court. Let's have a round of applause for Republicans! And all their supporters here on RJ! YAY!


    Really!!! is it just me or I thought Republicans were the last people on land that would condone anything so sick "partly" aimed at our brave men and women of the military.
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    Jun 29, 2009 3:33 PM GMT
    Let them rave on that men may know them for the idiots they are...
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jun 29, 2009 3:36 PM GMT
    cruelsummer said


    Really!!! is it just me or I thought Republicans were the last people on land that would condone anything so sick "partly" aimed at our brave men and women of the military.



    A cruel reality check (nothing directed toward you summer..LOL)
    Not so.....
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    Jun 29, 2009 3:44 PM GMT
    it might be amusing to have an impromptu "gay parade" at every funeral westboro baptist church tried to perform.
  • MSUBioNerd

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    Jun 29, 2009 4:40 PM GMT
    As abhorrent as I find the actions and views of the Westboro Baptist Church...this really is a free speech case. What they're doing is wrong, disgusting, and Constitutionally protected. As long as they aren't actively inciting imminent violence or the commission of illegal acts, their speech is not, and should not be, illegal. This is one of the major reasons I support appointment of rather than election of judges: the law often says things that aren't what people want to hear.

    At the same time, many cemeteries are private properties. Every private property owner has the right to remove individuals from his/her property; while you have the right to say what you want, you don't have the right to force your way into my home to do it. I see nothing wrong with cemetery owners creating rules against protests at funerals, and kicking out those who violate those rules as trespassers.
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    Jun 29, 2009 4:53 PM GMT
    Why can't some crazy pop the Phelps and their kids? Insensitive? Probably.
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    Jun 29, 2009 5:01 PM GMT
    cruelsummer said
    Red_Vespa saidYou may thank Bush appointees to the US Supreme Court. Let's have a round of applause for Republicans! And all their supporters here on RJ! YAY!


    Really!!! is it just me or I thought Republicans were the last people on land that would condone anything so sick "partly" aimed at our brave men and women of the military.

    That is the nature of Republicans. If it is anti-gay, it is good. Republican judges will sanction this behavior, because it is anti-gay. All other legal considerations and concern for fallen members of the military are unimportant, just so long as gays are hurt. This is the Republican way.
  • Delivis

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    Jun 29, 2009 5:03 PM GMT
    MSUBioNerd saidAs abhorrent as I find the actions and views of the Westboro Baptist Church...this really is a free speech case. What they're doing is wrong, disgusting, and Constitutionally protected. As long as they aren't actively inciting imminent violence or the commission of illegal acts, their speech is not, and should not be, illegal. This is one of the major reasons I support appointment of rather than election of judges: the law often says things that aren't what people want to hear.

    At the same time, many cemeteries are private properties. Every private property owner has the right to remove individuals from his/her property; while you have the right to say what you want, you don't have the right to force your way into my home to do it. I see nothing wrong with cemetery owners creating rules against protests at funerals, and kicking out those who violate those rules as trespassers.


    I totally agree. They have every right to protest anything they want.
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    Jun 29, 2009 5:05 PM GMT
    While I agree they are entitled to their free speech, I think they have pushed the limits of it and are actually hiding behind technicalities. When they chose to protest at my best friends funeral they were more akin to a mob. Thankfully I had friends that kept me from them otherwise I might have used my training as a Marine and their horrendous excuses for people as a way to vent my frustration at my friends death as well as my anger for their disrespect and cowardice. If they truly believe they are appointed of God and under his protection to perform these actions them please carry the signs you held at Darin's funeral stating "Semper Fi = Semper Fag", "You died for nothing", God put the IED there" and others I cannot remember, to Camp LeJeune, NC (The Marine base Darin and I were stationed out of). Is their a reason they shamelessly and without tact do nothing but incite anger among civilian services and locations but not at a base consisting of 40,000 of those you protest against?

    Their 'protests' step beyond the grounds of free speech and are more akin to public disturbance. At Darin's funeral they were spitting and throwing trash at us (the funeral procession). I was in the 2nd vehicle following the hearse and have never been so shocked, hurt, angry, and enraged at the same time. When they finally did leave a cop told us that they had actually grazed a cop with their van in order to scream more of their 'message' at those family and friends that could fit within the gymnasium.

    Since i've been crying for the last paragraph or so I'd just like to close by say that Darin was one of the kindest and most loving souls I've ever been blessed to know. He unashamedly loved and did not judge. This is who the westboro baptist 'church' found a threat:


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    Jun 29, 2009 5:18 PM GMT
    dbf4543 saidWhile I agree they are entitled to their free speech, I think they have pushed the limits of it and are actually hiding behind technicalities. When they chose to protest at my best friends funeral they were more akin to a mob. Thankfully I had friends that kept me from them otherwise I might have used my training as a Marine and their horrendous excuses for people as a way to vent my frustration at my friends death as well as my anger for their disrespect and cowardice. If they truly believe they are appointed of God and under his protection to perform these actions them please carry the signs you held at Darin's funeral stating "Semper Fi = Semper Fag", "You died for nothing", God put the IED there" and others I cannot remember, to Camp LeJeune, NC (The Marine base Darin and I were stationed out of). Is their a reason they shamelessly and without tact do nothing but incite anger among civilian services and locations but not at a base consisting of 40,000 of those you protest against?

    Their 'protests' step beyond the grounds of free speech and are more akin to public disturbance. At Darin's funeral they were spitting and throwing trash at us (the funeral procession). I was in the 2nd vehicle following the hearse and have never been so shocked, hurt, angry, and enraged at the same time. When they finally did leave a cop told us that they had actually grazed a cop with their van in order to scream more of their 'message' at those family and friends that could fit within the gymnasium.

    Since i've been crying for the last paragraph or so I'd just like to close by say that Darin was one of the kindest and most loving souls I've ever been blessed to know. He unashamedly loved and did not judge. This is who the westboro baptist 'church' found a threat:




    If they are throwing anything ot spitting at people and so on that it is no longer an issue of free speech. As long as they are protesting peacefully they must be allowed to protest whatever they want holding signs saying whatever they want. If they start assaulting people then obviously they should face charges of assault.
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    Jun 29, 2009 5:24 PM GMT
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    dbf4543 saidWhile I agree they are entitled to their free speech, I think they have pushed the limits of it and are actually hiding behind technicalities. When they chose to protest at my best friends funeral they were more akin to a mob. Thankfully I had friends that kept me from them otherwise I might have used my training as a Marine and their horrendous excuses for people as a way to vent my frustration at my friends death as well as my anger for their disrespect and cowardice. If they truly believe they are appointed of God and under his protection to perform these actions them please carry the signs you held at Darin's funeral stating "Semper Fi = Semper Fag", "You died for nothing", God put the IED there" and others I cannot remember, to Camp LeJeune, NC (The Marine base Darin and I were stationed out of). Is their a reason they shamelessly and without tact do nothing but incite anger among civilian services and locations but not at a base consisting of 40,000 of those you protest against?

    Their 'protests' step beyond the grounds of free speech and are more akin to public disturbance. At Darin's funeral they were spitting and throwing trash at us (the funeral procession). I was in the 2nd vehicle following the hearse and have never been so shocked, hurt, angry, and enraged at the same time. When they finally did leave a cop told us that they had actually grazed a cop with their van in order to scream more of their 'message' at those family and friends that could fit within the gymnasium.

    Since i've been crying for the last paragraph or so I'd just like to close by say that Darin was one of the kindest and most loving souls I've ever been blessed to know. He unashamedly loved and did not judge. This is who the westboro baptist 'church' found a threat:




    If they are throwing anything ot spitting at people and so on that it is no longer an issue of free speech. As long as they are protesting peacefully they must be allowed to protest whatever they want holding signs saying whatever they want. If they start assaulting people then obviously they should face charges of assault.


    If you look over their many 'protests' none were peaceful in nature. At the very least they involved pushing and shoving.
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    Jun 29, 2009 5:24 PM GMT
    gayblaketx saidWhy can't some crazy pop the Phelps and their kids? Insensitive? Probably.


    shit there doesn't need to be any insentive, i'd freaking do it for free.. they are the worst people ever, and well killing them might be too harsh, but another means on punishment could suffice.

    I used to try and warn families of fallen soldiers whose funerals were to be raided.. I don't anymore, but hope i helped when i was doing it.

    they have the worst website too.. i'd love for them to meet me one day, being jewish, gay, and possibly joining the navy, they'd have a field day with me
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    Jun 29, 2009 5:28 PM GMT
    zsocerstar said
    gayblaketx saidWhy can't some crazy pop the Phelps and their kids? Insensitive? Probably.


    shit there doesn't need to be any insentive, i'd freaking do it for free.. they are the worst people ever, and well killing them might be too harsh, but another means on punishment could suffice.

    I used to try and warn families of fallen soldiers whose funerals were to be raided.. I don't anymore, but hope i helped when i was doing it.

    they have the worst website too.. i'd love for them to meet me one day, being jewish, gay, and possibly joining the navy, they'd have a field day with me


    be a canadian, a swede, and an atheist as well. much better to rile them up.
  • LVJim

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    Jun 29, 2009 5:52 PM GMT
    Thank you, dbf4543 for sharing your story and the heartbreaking video. I like tee-bone's idea of our being across the street to balance the hate and support the family and friends of our lost. Let the Real Jock, SLDN, AVER - all the people who suffer/suffered from the strength of the evil churches be there in support. Whenever there is news coverage of the Phelps clan in action it is so very sad to see the small children in tow of these hate mongers, assurance that the hate will continue.
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    Jun 29, 2009 6:38 PM GMT
    And people wonder why I almost despise the American government? It's for shite like this. When already countries like Canada and the UK have already gone out of their way to make sure the Westboro church can't even so much as step foot on their soil, instead the American government diddles around and don't put a stop to it themselves.
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    Jun 29, 2009 6:45 PM GMT
    luvjunkie saidAnd people wonder why I almost despise the American government? It's for shite like this. When already countries like Canada and the UK have already gone out of their way to make sure the Westboro church can't even so much as step foot on their soil, instead the American government diddles around and don't put a stop to it themselves.


    Strangely enough that is exaclty why i admire the US laws on this front more.
  • Tiller66

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    Jun 29, 2009 6:48 PM GMT
    Wellsome have come up with an idea to make them a fund raising tool it's been done with remarkable success so anyone that knows of where they are going to go next should let the targets know and do the same.That way we can show them that even by protesting they are helping.I've been lucky that I have'nt loss family to this war but I do feel a small part of the loss that all the others feel.And I hope I never see those wastes of human flesh b/c it will be hard not to do bad things.But I guess they are here to test and I don't know that I could pass it if it was my family or friend
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    Jun 29, 2009 6:52 PM GMT
    That sounds like a victory for everyone. Who wants to protest Fred Phelps' funeral with me and do so under the protection of the law?
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    Jun 29, 2009 6:57 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidThat sounds like a victory for everyone. Who wants to protest Fred Phelps' funeral with me and do so under the protection of the law?


    I think you perfectly summed up the argument for free speech there. Well done!
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    Jun 29, 2009 7:24 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidThat sounds like a victory for everyone. Who wants to protest Fred Phelps' funeral with me and do so under the protection of the law?


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    protest his funeral?? protest his breathing air. you may not have to wait long. lol

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    Jun 29, 2009 7:51 PM GMT
    ^ has anybody actually seen him lately. I think he's dead already. The Phelps family prolly mummified him or something.