AND IF YOU LIVED IN INDIA??? Faith Leadership: Antigay laws must stay

  • HndsmKansan

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    Jun 29, 2009 3:52 PM GMT
    To be gay in a country in which it is "illegal"...

    Those laws must remain in place... story highlights
    From CNN

    By Harmeet Shah Singh
    CNN

    NEW DELHI, India (CNN) -- Religious groups in India have warned they will oppose any move to legalize homosexuality as the federal government prepares to hold talks on a law that classifies same-sex acts as crimes.


    An Indian gay activist participates in a gay pride march in Bangalore on Sunday.

    India's Hindu nationalist main opposition has in the meantime called for a national debate on the legislation that law minister M. Veerappa Moily last week said would come up for a discussion within the government.

    "This is a sensitive issue and warrants a debate within the Indian society at large before arriving at any decision," said Sidharth Nath Singh, spokesman for the opposition Bharatiya Janata Party.

    An Indian court is due to give its judgment on a petition filed by a nonprofit group that has challenged the anti-gay provision of the penal code.

    In a news conference last week, Moily refused to spell out his government's stand on it because it awaits judicial determination. But his comments that the federal home minister was "contemplating" a meeting with his Cabinet colleagues on the law drew widespread coverage in the largely conservative country.

    "Hope floats at rainbow parades," read a caption on a front-page picture from a gay parade in New Delhi in Monday's Times of India newspaper.

    Participants in that march demanded repeal of Section 377 of the penal code, which criminalizes private consensual sex between adults of the same gender in the country.

    Religious leaders, however, oppose any suggestion to scrap 377, describing homosexuality as "unnatural."

    "We are against calling homosexuality a criminal activity, but we are certainly in principle against legalizing it, because that would mean the state endorsing same-sex relationships," said Babu Joseph, spokesman for the Catholic Bishops' Conference of India.

    Homosexuality "violates fundamental norms of a family," he said.

    In his remarks, Kamal Faruqui of India's Muslim Personal Law Board outlined what he said was Islam's position on same-sex unions.

    "Islam is totally against it. Islam does not allow any unnatural act. No Muslim in the world, let alone India, can ever support it," Faruqui said.

    India's top Sikh administration echoed similar opposition.

    "Homosexuality is unnatural," said Sukhdev Singh Bhaur, general secretary of the Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee, which administers historical Sikh shrines, mainly in Punjab state. "We oppose any proposal to give legitimacy to such acts," Bhaur added.


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    Jun 29, 2009 4:00 PM GMT
    In an effort to be a nice atheist, I am going to look for instances when religious leaders line up to support something that is actually just. From poverty, to civil rights I can't think of anything. It would be a complete wash except for use of fancy hats. They are tops on that issue.
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    Jun 29, 2009 4:04 PM GMT


    .....how ironic, from a country drowning in its population explosion.....



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    Jun 29, 2009 7:09 PM GMT
    India is NOT a muslim country. icon_rolleyes.gif Jeezus. Somebody tell Faruqui to move to Pakistan.

    However, I have a gay Sikh friend (long hair hidden in a turban, beard and all) and Baur's statement totally makes sense why he was VERY reluctant to come out of the closet.
  • NickoftheNort...

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    Jul 02, 2009 8:19 AM GMT
    Well, they all can just suck it* as the Delhi High Court has overturned Section 337 with regard to consenting non-vaginal sex among consenting adults (India Express / RJ forum thread 575190)

    * with thanks to Kathy Griffin
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    Jul 02, 2009 9:12 AM GMT
    80 million (make less than a buck a day and live in slums) are starving to death in new Delhi alone and they are worried about who is fucking each other...give me a gosh dam break....

    You know they are all fucking way to much!!......

    Now....funny how the recession is kicking all the good straight assesicon_twisted.gif.....

    MAKE MORE BABIES fast!!
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    Jul 02, 2009 9:39 AM GMT
    The great news is that this law has been overturned.

    The marvelous Mother India should be even better than ever.

    @Cookie Monster - According to the 2001 census India has the third largest Muslim population in the world at 13.4% of total population.

  • Menergy_1

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    Jul 02, 2009 1:13 PM GMT
    In another thread, this news of the New Delhi High Court overturning Section 377 specified that it only applies at this point to the city of New Delhi -- not to all of India. A Supreme Court decision in an appeal of the Delhi decision (if there is one) "could" result in a national application of removing such anti-same-sex laws ----- or not, if the appeal is upheld.

    A national application is yet to come...and faces massive conservative/traditional roadblocks, apparently.

    Sad that faiths of all stripes can be such repressive forces everywhere-- icon_neutral.gif
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    Jul 02, 2009 1:24 PM GMT
    aaaaannnd, organized religion is obviously still smearing itself with its own fecal matter....

    in other news....
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    Jul 02, 2009 1:26 PM GMT
    PS, i say islam is more 'unnatural' than homosexuality is- WE'VE been around a LOT longer, for one, and for another, religion is a choice whereas we are born gay and can not change. therefor, we are made gay- we are part of the scheme of things- whereas ass backwards thinking religious haters are a cancer of human society, in whatever country they fester.
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    Jul 02, 2009 3:44 PM GMT
    @ Big Dipper:

    Still, not quite a majority considering you're talking about more than a billion people here. icon_razz.gif And considering the rift between the Hindu and the Muslim populations that gave rise to the birth of Pakistan and Bangladesh and the perpetual nuclear standoff between India and Pakistan, I don't really think they're at a position to oppose it using religion.

    Notice how it is mainly the Monotheistic religions that speak most violently against it. Because those are the religions which have a traditional taboo on homosexuality.

    Although I am quite surprised to see Sikhs among them. But then again given the strict adherence to tradition that Sikhs hold above all else (especially heterosexual marriage), not quite as surprising.

    Hinduism however has always been so varied that something like homosexuality has never been explicitly prohibited or severely punished. It's an extremely sensual religion and as such has made a lot of provisions for even transsexualism.

    AFAIK, it's not punished at all except in the priest caste, but there are certain scriptural prohibitions, like how gay men aren't allowed to marry straight women or how older men and women are prohibited to have homosexual relations with much younger virgin men and women etc. The punishment is also within reason and reflective of the damage inflicted (for example, a rape is still considered a waaay more heinous crime than that of an older woman having homosexual relations with a virgin woman) in stark contrast of the punishments in the Abrahamic religions which proscribed death for everything from adultery to working on the Sabbath.

    The british laws they had about homosexuality which probably contributed partly to why a larger population of Hindus also now revile homosexuality, were never part of the Hindu tradition. Inherited impression from the British and now they're gone, the monotheisms are the only ones propagating this very nontraditional hatred indeed. So yeah, that kinda stinks.

    Anyway, the point is moot. icon_biggrin.gif/ India still has sense!
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    Jul 02, 2009 4:03 PM GMT
    czarodziej saidPS, i say islam is more 'unnatural' than homosexuality is- WE'VE been around a LOT longer, for one, and for another, religion is a choice whereas we are born gay and can not change. therefor, we are made gay- we are part of the scheme of things- whereas ass backwards thinking religious haters are a cancer of human society, in whatever country they fester.


    Nicely put!

    Couldn't agree more.
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    Jul 02, 2009 4:08 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said"We are against calling homosexuality a criminal activity, but we are certainly in principle against legalizing it, because that would mean the state endorsing same-sex relationships," said Babu Joseph, spokesman for the Catholic Bishops' Conference of India.

    How does it remain not legal to be gay, but not criminal? You just get a ticket on your car windshield? That's the most ridiculous double-talk.

    But typical for the Catholic Church everywhere. And since they oppose repealing Section 377, the Catholic Church does indeed support homosexuality remaining a crime, which is what the current law does. These religious bigots can't even speak the truth.