It seems more and more guys are turning gay. But... what will the future in-store? I certainly don't want girls to be dominate to boys. Or Women to control Men. That would be horrible!

  • twonutbuster

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    Jun 30, 2009 1:40 PM GMT
    what do you guys think, if the future of men became gay, would women become rulers?
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    Jun 30, 2009 2:01 PM GMT
    1. Men do not BECOME or TURN gay. We are either born gay or we are not. The variable is whether we are publicly out to the world about it.

    2. Your second erroneous assumption is that gay men are subordinate to women. I know plenty of gay men who aren't subordinate to anyone, including to other men, straight or otherwise. Look at Alexander the Great or Julius Caesar, or the Emperor Hadrian and many more.

    In the industrialized countries of the modern world, leadership and being in charge is becoming less a function of traditional gender models, than of individual ability. Some women are in charge because they are simply good at it. I don't see what being gay has to do with it.
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    Jun 30, 2009 3:13 PM GMT
    lol. TURNING gay? You arent gay are you. Oh wait. I forgot I was turning straight today. Gotta run.
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    Jun 30, 2009 4:37 PM GMT
    Oh this is going to be good.

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    Jun 30, 2009 4:39 PM GMT
    this thread is stoopud lol
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    Jun 30, 2009 4:41 PM GMT
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    Jun 30, 2009 4:41 PM GMT
    Let's just say guys are "turning" gay. How does that equate to girls/women dominating boys/men?
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    Jun 30, 2009 4:42 PM GMT
    Stop watching old Wonder Woman reruns and go outside. ;-)
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    Jun 30, 2009 5:27 PM GMT
    Don't forget the invisible jet! ... and while you're at it - the lasso of TRUTH ! hehehe
  • Rowing_Ant

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    Jun 30, 2009 5:29 PM GMT
    Just to correct Red Vespa.

    Gaius Julius Caesar was not gay, nor was he even bisexual (to use modern words)

    Hardian did have a same-sex relationship with Antinous but we cannot describe it as being gay or homosexual as the Romans and Greeks did not have those words or even have a concept of being gay. Despite the well known relationship of Hadrianus and Antinous, Hadrianus was married to a women and had children...he might have been bisexual if we can apply a modern term to the past.

    As far as the Greeks were concerned people were sexual beings and some men fancied men, others fancied women. Achilles was said to spurn women in favour of other men which with our modern (i.e. invented in 186icon_cool.gif word and defination Homosexual makes him one...but as an ancient greek he simply could not be.

    The same goes with Alexander the Great and Hephaeston.

    With famous ancient couples like Achilles and Patroclus and Antilochus or Heracles and Iolaus, the words used are Erastes and Eromenos, both realted to Eros, the God/manifestion of love between two men, the love of men and the love of manliness. Philia/Philii is the love between man and wife, people of the opposite sex and that comes, with Grace (Charis) from Aphrodite.

    Erastes and Eromenos simply means "beloved of", "dedicated to", "brings pleasure to" but in a male-male situaion/relationship. Ive just given lectures to my uni students on Greco-Roman relationships...so if you want "chapter and verse" you can have it! icon_razz.gif

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  • jarhead5536

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    Jun 30, 2009 5:29 PM GMT
    Turning gay. Hmmm.... Jeez kid, I don't even know where to start with what is wrong with the mindset behind that question.


    How about this. Fewer guys are closeted or on the DL these days as society becomes every more accepting. Work for ya?
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    Jun 30, 2009 5:37 PM GMT
    Okay... so if more gay men come out, they will lose their ability to be functional, competent leaders of society and woman will therefore inherit the earth? Is that the thinking behind this question?

    If so, this not only betrays a low opinion of gay men, but also a low one of women.

    WHAT A CROCK!
  • Delivis

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    Jun 30, 2009 5:37 PM GMT
    What a bizarre thread...
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    Jun 30, 2009 5:43 PM GMT
    Good God his threads have to stop.


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    Jun 30, 2009 5:48 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa said1. Men do not BECOME or TURN gay. We are either born gay or we are not. The variable is whether we are publicly out to the world about it.

    2. Your second erroneous assumption is that gay men are subordinate to women. I know plenty of gay men who aren't subordinate to anyone, including to other men, straight or otherwise. Look at Alexander the Great or Julius Caesar, or the Emperor Hadrian and many more.

    In the industrialized countries of the modern world, leadership and being in charge is becoming less a function of traditional gender models, than of individual ability. Some women are in charge because they are simply good at it. I don't see what being gay has to do with it.



    Grade A response Red Vespa! It's good to see that this sort of nonsensical nonsense isn't a commonly shared belief.

    Being same sex attracted and being similar/subordinate to women are not linked.
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    Jun 30, 2009 5:50 PM GMT
    twonutbuster saidwhat do you guys think, if the future of men became gay, would women become rulers?


    What's the correlation between women becoming rulers if every man on earth "became" gay?
    Are you implying that because YOU are gay, you become the "weaker" sex? And are you also implying that women are the weaker sex, and are only to be subordinate to men if they're strictly heterosexual?
    First of all, we don't become, we're born, we are. Second, your question reflects how limited you think about yourself as a homosexual male. If your question wasn't meant to be self-homophobic and mysoginist, i apologise, but that's how it reads to me.
    Know your queer history. In centuries past, gay men have contributed much to not only our independence, but to society through the arts, medicine, science and even politics.
    And women have been known to become presidents, even rulers of countries since the beginning of time. How do we describe them? Oh yeah, they're called QUEENS.
    In other words, we've been ruling the world forever, sweetheart! Ain't nothin gonna change that!
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    Jun 30, 2009 5:51 PM GMT
    RyanReBoRn saidIt's good to see that this sort of nonsensical nonsense isn't a commonly shared belief.

    I would venture to say that few to none on these boards share the OP's thoughts on domination based on sexual orientation or sex period.
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    Jun 30, 2009 6:00 PM GMT
    It seems more and more guys are turning smart.

    Aaaahhh, would that that were true!
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    Jun 30, 2009 6:03 PM GMT
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    Red_Vespa said1. Men do not BECOME or TURN gay. We are either born gay or we are not. The variable is whether we are publicly out to the world about it.

    2. Your second erroneous assumption is that gay men are subordinate to women. I know plenty of gay men who aren't subordinate to anyone, including to other men, straight or otherwise. Look at Alexander the Great or Julius Caesar, or the Emperor Hadrian and many more.

    In the industrialized countries of the modern world, leadership and being in charge is becoming less a function of traditional gender models, than of individual ability. Some women are in charge because they are simply good at it. I don't see what being gay has to do with it.



    Grade A response Red Vespa! It's good to see that this sort of nonsensical nonsense isn't a commonly shared belief.

    Being same sex attracted and being similar/subordinate to women are not linked.


    Red_Vespa is right what the heck does one have to do with the other.

    So, women have gained more access/freedom. Using your logic does that mean that if GAYS gain more civil rights and acknowledgment. They will end up dominating the world.

    If this was a straight forum I would say you are fear mongering.

    "...turning" LOL

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    Jun 30, 2009 6:05 PM GMT
    Rowing_Ant saidJust to correct Red Vespa.

    Gaius Julius Caesar was not gay, nor was he even bisexual (to use modern words)

    Seutonius suggests he was indeed bi:

    "There was no stain on [Caesar's] reputation for chastity except his intimacy with King Nicomedes, but that was a deep and lasting reproach, which laid him open to insults from every quarter. I say nothing of the notorious lines of Licinius Calvus:

    Whate'er Bithynia had, and Caesar's paramour.
    Bithynia quicquid/ et pedicator Caesaris umquam habuit

    I pass over, too, the invectives of Dolabella and the elder Curio, in which Dolabella calls him "the queen's rival, the inner partner of the royal couch," and Curio, "the brothel of Nicomedes and the stew of Bithynia'' I take no account of the edicts of Bibulus, in which he posted his colleague as "the queen of Bithyllia," saying that " of yore he was enamoured of a king, but now of a king's estate." At this same time, so Marcus Brutus declares, one Octavius, a man whose disordered mind made him sornewhat free with his tongue, after saluting Pompey as "King" in a crowded assembly, greeted Caesar as ''Queen" ...Finally, in his Gallic triumph his soldiers, among the bantering songs which are usually sung by those who follow the chariot, shouted these lines, which became a byword:

    All the Gauls did Caesar vanquish, Nicomedes vanquished him;
    Lo ! now Caesar rides in triumph, victor over all the Gauls,
    Nicomedes does not triumph, who subdued the conqueror.

    ...I have only to add that the elder Curio in one of his speeches calls him 'every woman's man and every man's woman.'"

    (In some translations this is rendered as: "Every woman's husband, and every man's wife."
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    Jun 30, 2009 6:08 PM GMT
    Do guys turn gay like the leaves turn color in the Fall? Is that where the rainbow flag came from?
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    Jun 30, 2009 6:12 PM GMT
    "By Grabthar's hammer I shall avenge thee"

    You know what, bring on the femdom revolution. It's all just organs and I'll serve my mistress well.

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  • Rowing_Ant

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    Jun 30, 2009 6:29 PM GMT
    Red Vespa:

    The problem with dear old Suetonius is that, unlike Tacitus, he loves to write about gossip and whatnot.

    His work is not as scholarly or as learned or as reliable as Tacitus, Ptolomey, Herodotus etc.

    Yes he might have had a relationship with Nicomedes...but all we hear is scandal and gossip, rather Tabloid style.

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    Jun 30, 2009 6:36 PM GMT
    I've decided I wanted to go back being straight for a couple of years or so..I need to switch it up a bit! My straightness has been collecting dust icon_confused.gif
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    Jun 30, 2009 6:44 PM GMT
    Funny you should mention this. I was on Columbus Ave. yesterday for lunch and as a group of us were eating at a sidewalk table, we witnessed the strangest thing. Across the street from us was a group of what looked to be about 15 Japanese tourists, about half male, half female. Well, wouldntchaknowit, all the men suddenly turned gay. Just like that. There was a small puff of smoke and that's it, they were just suddenly gay. Ya think you've seen everything and then something like that happens. Makes ya think. icon_eek.gif