The Family - The American Taliban

  • GQjock

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    Jul 01, 2009 5:29 PM GMT
    I have used the term The American Taliban as a nebulous label for anything Christian Right Wing but I had always used it more tongue in cheek than anything else

    But I just was listening to NPR and the guest was talking about a religious group that has had its tentacles in American politics for years
    They have laid low and have specifically stayed out of the press as part of their tactics and it's part of how they work
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106115324
    The audio recast will be aval after 5pm

    The Family is an Ultra Right Wing Religious Group
    They have bought a former convent on C Street in DC and use it as their staging ground and basically as a "Country Club - Lobbying Base" for right wing republicans
    They call themselves a Church .... so that they will have a tax exempt status
    Give out daily marching orders to their members
    Who are their members?
    Just about every damn republican there is that's all
    John Ensign LIVES there ..... with a rent "Subsidy" no less
    and our friend Mark Sanford has received "counseling" to help with his crumbling marriage
    to name a few in the news right now

    I am shocked and disgusted that this has been able to go on without anyone knowing about it until now

    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/06/revealed_the_sanfordensign_connection.php

    http://www.religionnews.com/index.php?/rnsblog/the_house_on_c_street/

    http://www.usnews.com/blogs/god-and-country/2009/06/24/sanford-cites-secretive-christian-groups-role-in-helping-confront-affair.html

    [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Family_(Christian_political_organization)[/url]

    http://www.harpers.org/archive/2003/03/0079525

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    Jul 01, 2009 6:05 PM GMT
    I heard the tail end. It is very disturbing.
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    Jul 01, 2009 7:33 PM GMT
    This is what happens when a meme becomes elevated above all else in public perception that it becomes a a fundamental requirement for leaders to associate with them in order to achieve an image of 'goodness'.

    I'm tempted to dismiss it as another wacky conspiracy theory but this does seem to have basis. Subtle, and they're probably really well-meaning in their own way. But this unspeakably violates what little there is left of the illusion of the separation of the church and the state in America. The fact that their sole aim is to 'support' leaders is particularly disturbing.
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    Jul 01, 2009 9:15 PM GMT
    jprichva saidThere have been stories about this before. It's no different really than the Wednesday breakfasts with Grover Norquist where he hands out talking points and marching orders for the week. This all goes back to the Clinton era.

    This thing is dying, and no amount of conspiracy hugger-mugger is going to save it.


    Yeah, not really of the 'evil behind the scenes manipulator' type of thing some of those articles are trying to spin.

    Still, isn't it a bit disturbing that this is deemed acceptable or even... 'required' behavior? To kiss ass with such fervor to a religious group? Because it's normally 3rd world country phenomena - the manifest destiny/divine approval kind of thing.
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    Jul 01, 2009 9:16 PM GMT
    sounds pretty scary to me
  • RunnerBen

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    Jul 01, 2009 9:17 PM GMT
    I heard this, too. It's very scary stuff.
  • HotCoach

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    Jul 02, 2009 2:29 AM GMT
    I listened to the whole thing. Amazing what you can do when "God is on your side".

    Anoter group that flies under the radar but has huge influence is "The Caryle Group" the Bushes, Cheney, Rumsfeld et all. The have enormous influence in our government particular in the DOD, our biggest financial drain.
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    Jul 02, 2009 3:45 AM GMT
    GQjock saidI have used the term The American Taliban as a nebulous label for anything Christian Right Wing but I had always used it more tongue in cheek than anything else


    You lost me here....that is just the most amazingly ignorant comment.

    thanks for making me laugh today
  • GQjock

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    Jul 03, 2009 11:21 PM GMT
    The really scary thing about them is HOW they choose the leaders that they back

    They do not choose leaders who have done "good" things
    The Family and Doug Coe choose strong leaders no matter HOW they came into power because they think that GOD Has CHOSEN them to lead

    They've backed a lot of reallt sick guys in the past
    Suharto in Indonesia is just one of them ... and after they received the flack they deserved about it that's when they went underground

    http://www.theocracywatch.org/secret_theocrats.html

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    Jul 03, 2009 11:28 PM GMT
    icon_eek.gif You beat me to it!

    I heard this the other day too. I was going to post it with the following title ..

    The Illuminati does Exist! And they are Fundamentalists!! icon_eek.gif
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    Jul 04, 2009 6:30 AM GMT
    and doesn't Teddy Kennedy, who is of course a Catholic in name only, belong to church that embraces Opus Dei and is run by the very right-wing Ratzinger?
  • GQjock

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    Jul 04, 2009 10:39 AM GMT
    But Opus Dei doesn't run an entire compound that men like Kennedy can rent apts at fire sale prices
    and they don't run such entrenched marketing venues for their cause like The Annual Prayer Breakfast
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    Jul 05, 2009 6:23 PM GMT
    I dislike any group or person who attempts to define love and family at the expense of others. Hypocrites. Wolves in sheep's clothing. Taliban yes.
  • GQjock

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    Jul 17, 2009 4:43 PM GMT
    More news from the wacko right wing congressman's flop house

    Charles Pickering the former congressman is being sued for divorce by his wife Leisha
    in her complaint she cites the Family's House on C Street in Washington as a place her husband brought his mistress to play "Canasta' with icon_wink.gif

    So this makes John Ensign the Senator from Nevada
    who had his mother and father pay off his own mistress on the 12k installment plan so he could avoid criminal and ethical charges

    and Mark Sanford the Gov of S Carolina who skipped town to be with his "soulmate" and didn't tell anybody

    and now we have a former congressman who brought his woman back to C Street to F**K

    What was this an Evilangelical Animal House? icon_cool.gif
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    Jul 21, 2009 11:51 AM GMT
    This is typical. Those who have power generally believe that the rules don't apply to them. We, the hoi polloi, are meant to follow the rules, do as God would have us do. But, just as these asshats believe in "American exceptionalism" (e.g. "we don't need no stinkin' Geneva convention!"), they also believe in their own exceptionalism.
  • GQjock

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    Jul 21, 2009 7:47 PM GMT
    Yes .... that is exactly what the core beliefs of the Family is all about
    They believe that God Has Chosed certain men to be great leaders in their lives

    ....AND if they do anything wrong or even illegal to get there
    that is the hand of god at work

    One of the reasons that the Family has backed with money some of the worst dictators of our time .... dictators like Suharto in Indonesia

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    Jul 21, 2009 7:51 PM GMT
    noren saidand doesn't Teddy Kennedy, who is of course a Catholic in name only, belong to church that embraces Opus Dei and is run by the very right-wing Ratzinger?


    Did you tear anything stretching this badly?

    Thanks to the OP for posting this. Pass it on.
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    Aug 01, 2009 3:56 AM GMT
    Real Time with Bill Maher had the author of the book about the Family on the show tonight. I was at a loss for words when he said some of the stuff he heard while staying with them at the compound. Essentially, all morality goes out the window with the leaders who, according to the Family, were chosen by God himself. He gave a quoted example:

    "If I went out and raped three little girls, I would be a monster."

    "No you wouldn't. That would be dismissed because you are one of the chosen ones of God."

    I wasn't surprised that Strom Thurmond was a very active member of the group.
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    Aug 01, 2009 4:03 AM GMT
    ErikTaurean saidReal Time with Bill Maher had the author of the book about the Family on the show tonight. I was at a loss for words when he said some of the stuff he heard while staying with them at the compound. Essentially, all morality goes out the window with the leaders who, according to the Family, were chosen by God himself. He gave a quoted example:

    "If I went out and raped three little girls, I would be a monster."

    "No you wouldn't. That would be dismissed because you are one of the chosen ones of God."

    I wasn't surprised that Strom Thurmond was a very active member of the group.


    Oh, I'm watching that right now. That interview was crazy. This group defends Hitler and Stalin and calls them the chosen people. I can't believe people endorse this way of thinking.
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    Aug 01, 2009 4:09 AM GMT
    Blackguy4you saidsounds pretty scary to me


    Do you find them scary because of their extreme religious (i.e., Christian) aganda? Or for some other reason?
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    Aug 01, 2009 3:14 PM GMT

    I think the scary part about The Family (and other group's like them) is the confluence of two things:

    1) their belief in the bizarre notion that God plays and active and conscious role in human affairs and that he favors one group religious of religious fanatics (in this case fundamentalist christians) over others; and

    2) their political influence.

    The good news is that the political influence of fundamentalist christians has been diminished vastly in the past year and nothing is more damaging to group's like The Family than public exposure (and perhaps careful examination of its tax status, etc).
  • mustangd

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    Aug 01, 2009 4:22 PM GMT
    why is it that so many people can not find, or face their own individuality? and must identify with someone or something else to feel something akin to a personal identity. religions of many kinds pick up on this, some with good intentions, some not so good. the same can be said for many politicians, past and present, they feed on this human flaw that individuals feel a need to belong, or to identify with, to give themselves an identity. this lesson seems to need to keep being learned every few generations, how can we forget the blood shed, and misery caused by people who wrap themselves in word of God, or in front of the flag, and then preach hate, fear, and intolerance?

    the times we live in are precarious, because of so many forms of communication, which can in turn be forms of manipulation. hitler noted that little lies are difficult to believe, but, big lies seem more plausible, again, a human failing. tie that in with multi-media access, and billions of special interest dollars, the above mentioned human flaw of needing to identify and belong and you have a recipe for what we are seeing today.

    a solution? people need to look at the record(s). someone, some form of communication needs to compile the provable facts, and present them in a linear means, compiled for the average short attention span of americans.

    there are voices speaking out, bill maher being one, while i don't always agree with him, i'd rather listen to him than larry king, who, is just another self effacing tool, yet look how many tune in to larry king, or pander themselves on his program. this is the nature of what is wrong with us as a species, and as a country, we are becoming a nation of sheep and panderers, tuning in to whatever media that gives us an identity. whether its a sports team, a religion, or a political group.....
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    Aug 01, 2009 5:56 PM GMT
    So many secrets, so many lies.
    You wonder why they are dying?
    That truth isn't in the shadows.
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    Aug 01, 2009 7:29 PM GMT
    wow, i'm shakin my head!
  • GQjock

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    Aug 02, 2009 10:32 AM GMT
    flieslikeabeagle said
    I think the scary part about The Family (and other group's like them) is the confluence of two things:

    1) their belief in the bizarre notion that God plays and active and conscious role in human affairs and that he favors one group religious of religious fanatics (in this case fundamentalist christians) over others; and

    2) their political influence.

    The good news is that the political influence of fundamentalist christians has been diminished vastly in the past year and nothing is more damaging to group's like The Family than public exposure (and perhaps careful examination of its tax status, etc).


    Right, the real scary part is how entrenched into the political system they are and have been for years
    This is the group that is behind the annual prayer service that has been going on for decades ... and is a great big evangelical - political pow wow
    We are only viewing the tip of the ice berg when it comes to understanding the political influence of the social conservatives in this country
    which explains why we are so backward when it comes to gay rights