"That Faggot Had It Coming" - Where do we go from here?

  • metta

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    Jul 01, 2009 9:55 PM GMT
    In continuation of this thread because I don't want this to get lost in the middle:


    Gay Bar in Ft. Worth, Texas Raided
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/571183/

    Fort Worth Police Department 350 W. Belknap Street Fort Worth, TX 76102
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    Fort Worth Police Chief: That Faggot Had It Coming

    Posted by Dan Savage on Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 4:18 PM

    Most residents of Fort Worth have never even seen the inside of a gay bar. Fort Worth's police chief Jeff Halstead is counting on that fact—counting on the average person's ignorance about gay bars and certain stereotypes about gay men—to get a half a dozen Forth Worth police officers off the hook for conducting a violent raid on a Forth Worth gay bar, the Rainbow Lounge, late last Saturday night. Seven men were arrested during the raid, which took place on the 40th anniversary of the raid on the Stonewall Inn that kick-started the modern gay rights movement, and one of those men—Chad Gibson—remains in intensive care with a brain injury. Gibson may not survive.

    The officers who raided the Rainbow Lounge claim that the men in the bar made "advances" on them—and Forth Worth's police chief is backing them up:


    Monday, police chief Jeff Halstead said the officers' actions are being investigated. However, he also said that officers that entered the bar during the scheduled inspection were touched inappropriately.

    "You're touched and advanced in certain ways by people inside the bar, that's offensive," he said. "I'm happy with the restraint used when they were contacted like that."

    Allow me to translate the chief's comments: "Them faggots in that thar bar touched mah officers and now they're complainin' about some rough stuff and one little ol' faggot with a brain injury? Those perverts should be grateful they're alive."

    This is a classic example of the Gay Panic Defense. In the very recent past all a straight man who brutally murdered a gay man had to say was, "He made a pass at me!", and the jury would ignore the evidence and let the murderer off. The Gay Panic Defense doesn't fly in many courts of law these days but it still has currency in the court of public opinion. And the chief of police in Forth Worth, a major U.S. city, is attempting to use the Gay Panic Defense to convince the citizens of Fort Worth to ignore the evidence—to ignore photographic evidence and credible eyewitness accounts—and let his officers off.

    And you'll never guess who the police are accusing of being the groper: Chad Gibson, the one man arrested at the Rainbow Lounge who can't defend himself and may never be able to give his side of the story. But another person at the bar witnessed Gibson's arrest:


    "They were hyped up. They were loaded for bear," said Todd Camp, a veteran journalist who was there celebrating his birthday with friends. "They were just randomly grabbing people, telling them they were drunk."

    Camp told me he has been in bars during TABC/police "checks" before, "and it was never anything like this." Usually, he said, officers discreetly walk through, looking for anybody who has had too much. This was different. "They were shoving patrons," Camp said, "asking, 'How much have you had to drink?'"

    ...

    "[Gibson] was taken down hard," said Camp, with "four or five" officers wrestling him to the floor inside the club. Cellphone photos shot by patrons and posted to blogs show a person being held facedown by officers in a short hallway inside the club, then show a dent in the wall where his head was apparently banged.

    The police claim that Gibson wasn't injured when those four or five cops slammed him to the floor of the bar, but after his arrest, when, drunk and handcuffed, Gibson somehow fell and hit his head on the pavement outside the bar.

    All of this is bullshit.

    I've been in a million gay bars. I've been in gay bars on multiple occasions when the police came in to check everyone's IDs and make sure no minors were being served. Gay men don't grope police officers when they enter gay bars. I find it inconceivable that the gay men drinking in the Rainbow Lounge in Fort Worth responded to a raid by attempting to grope the police officers. This "they groped us!" shit is a lie. As the owner of the bar, J.R. Schrock, put it at the protest the night after the raid:


    Story Continues:

    http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/06/30/fort-worth-police-chief-that-faggot-had-it-coming
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    Jul 01, 2009 10:05 PM GMT
    the best part about this whole thing is that if the police are found to be in the wrong here, the whole lot of them will be let off scott free but forced to take sensitivity training for dealing with the gay community.
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    Jul 01, 2009 10:05 PM GMT

    I heard several members of the faculty staff saying the same thing at my High School the day a boy wore drag to school and was first verbally attacked by his own cousin and than tackled to the floor by security who exercised extreme prejudice before dragging him off of school property screaming.
    Oklahoma and Texas...give them up.

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    Jul 01, 2009 11:15 PM GMT
    I hope someone goes ape shit on the cops and the police department.

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    Jul 01, 2009 11:25 PM GMT
    ScottPensacola saidI hope someone goes ape shit on the cops and the police department.



    Ditto. That's bullshit. They better not just get a slap on the wrist. I don't know about the gay clubs everywhere else, but that shit don't even go on with gay guys at my bar. I've never been groped or grabbed. And I've never seen it happen. Always a hello before you go grabbing! Or is that how some of you say hello? lol
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    Jul 01, 2009 11:29 PM GMT
    It's Texas, par for the course. This will come to nothing legally. HRC and the ACLU will rant & rave, and protests will be held, but at the end of the day it's still Texas, and the Police Chief and his thugs will be defended by local community & religious leaders and see no charges brought against them. And don't expect the Obama Justice Department to lift a finger, any more then the Bush DOJ would have.

    So in answer to the thread question "Where do we go from here?" the answer is anywhere but Texas. And not a lot we can do about it, except get our heads busted like the bar patron here.
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    Jul 02, 2009 12:04 AM GMT
    Please tell me the government is actually doing SOMETHING about this.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jul 02, 2009 12:12 AM GMT
    Thanks for the continued update, Metta. As I read, I thought of the "gay panic" defense the defendants tried to establish in the Matthew Shepard case.

    I can't imagine anybody would have touched a police officer, drunk or not
    in that bar. The whole thing is outragious.
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    Jul 02, 2009 12:18 AM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidThanks for the continued update, Metta. As I read, I thought of the "gay panic" defense the defendants tried to establish in the Matthew Shepard case.

    I can't imagine anybody would have touched a police officer, drunk or not
    in that bar. The whole thing is outragious.

    Of course it's a false charge, but if the police all stick to that same story, they win over any gays claiming otherwise in Fort Worth. Frustrating but true, and the police chief knows it, why he can afford to be so blatantly defiant in the press. He wouldn't be if he wasn't sure the rest of the local straight community was behind him 100%.
  • metta

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    Jul 02, 2009 1:43 AM GMT
    ScottPensacola saidI hope someone goes ape shit on the cops and the police department.




    Fort Worth Police Department 350 W. Belknap Street Fort Worth, TX 76102
    (817) 392-4000 fwpdweb@fortworthpd.com

    Media Contact (Sgt. Criado) 817 -392-4214

    Internal Affairs (complaints on officers) 817-392-4270




    HRC Calls for Investigation Following Fort Worth Police Action
    http://www.hrc.org/13050.htm


    Andrew Sullivan
    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/07/forty-years-after-stonewall.html#more
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    Jul 02, 2009 1:58 AM GMT
    In days gone by, if I seen a police officer walk though a bar, I always wolf whistled.

    Now something smiler happened in Melbourne Australia about 1994. But people were also made to strip.

    Shit really hit the fan over that incident. OMG it was the 90s not the 50s, 60,s or 70,s. It was the 90s. So shit really hit the fan.

    So a police and gay liaison group was started up, to improve the relations between the police, and gay community. It worked so well the the police force started to march in the Melbourne pride Parades, in Uniform, and gay police can now also be out.

    So a lot of good come out of that raid.
  • metta

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    Jul 02, 2009 2:10 AM GMT
    joel burns who is the openly gay city council member pushing for an investigation could use your support. you can e-mail him at: Joel.Burns@fortworthgov.org. his number is 817-392-8809.

    also, pressure needs to be applied to the other members of the city council:

    Councilmember W.B. "Zim" Zimmerman
    817-392-8803
    District3@fortworthgov.org

    Councilmember Danny Scarth
    817-392-8804
    District4@fortworthgov.org

    Councilmember Frank Moss
    817-392-8805
    District5@fortworthgov.org

    Councilmember Jungus Jordan
    817-392-8806
    District6@fortworthgov.org

    Councilmember Carter Burdette
    817-392-8807
    District7@fortworthgov.org

    and lets not forget the mayor of fort worth:

    Mayor Mike Moncrief
    817-392-6118
    mike.moncrief@fortworthgov.org
  • metta

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    Jul 02, 2009 4:41 PM GMT
    from a gay police officer in California reacting to what happened in Ft. Worth





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    Jul 02, 2009 4:43 PM GMT
    Fountains saidthe best part about this whole thing is that if the police are found to be in the wrong here, the whole lot of them will be let off scott free but forced to take sensitivity training for dealing with the gay community.


    I got their "sensitivity training" right here. Line up and bend over, ya degenerate fucking bastards.
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    Jul 02, 2009 4:53 PM GMT
    Called the Mayor's office:

    Internal investigation going on (ho-hum).

    Public investigation now going on as well (good).

    No suspensions yet.

    Mayor's statement briefly said that Ft. Worth is an "inclusive" city, then went on to basically support the department. Weak.

    I told them that family and friends of gay Texans were encouraging them to leave the state, that the national spotlight was on Ft. Worth, and that I hope they do the right thing so that Texas (currently thriving economically) continues to do so rather than lose the creative class, blue collar, and other types of gay workers to safer states.

    I also said, in a more emotional statement, that I was sick and tired of Texas embarassing itself in front of the rest of the country over and over again. But that was more commentary, and probably ignored by the staffer.
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    Jul 02, 2009 5:03 PM GMT
    I've got a suggestion for anyone in the Metroplex or anyone who travels there.

    Go have a beer at the Rainbow Lounge. (Or a coke, but overtip the bartender.)

    Imagine the number of patrons who might think twice before going there after such an incident. Businesspeople who support the community need our support in return.

    Next time I'm in town for business, I know where I'll be stopping in.
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    Jul 02, 2009 5:05 PM GMT
    Sedative saidPlease tell me the government is actually doing SOMETHING about this.


    nope
  • MikemikeMike

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    Jul 02, 2009 5:06 PM GMT
    Funny thing is there are so many gay or closeted cops!

    This is a sad thread though!! I hope they get the message!
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    Jul 02, 2009 5:10 PM GMT
    Clubs are raided on when the police have suspicion of or evidence of criminal activity. Gay clubs aren't immune. Get over it.
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    Jul 02, 2009 5:11 PM GMT
    cruelsummer saidClubs are raided on when the police have suspicion or reason to do so. Gay clubs aren't immune. Get over it.


    Read a few articles on it and then get back to us.

    They were looking for "public intoxication" in bars. Have you ever seen anyone publicly intoxicated in a bar? Did the cops do anything about it? Did they beat anyone to the point of placing them in critical condition at the ICU?

    As a side, does anyone know another state that makes it illegal to be drunk in a bar? Sounds like a loophole to intimidate certain demographics, if you ask me. This needs to be repealed.

    (resisting the urge to beat *you* down, in order to give you a chance to become informed)
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    Jul 02, 2009 5:11 PM GMT
    cruelsummer saidClubs are raided on when the police have suspicion or reason to do so. Gay clubs aren't immune. Get over it.


    Be sure you ask Chad Gibson to "get over it."
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    Jul 02, 2009 5:15 PM GMT
    cruelsummer saidClubs are raided on when the police have suspicion of or evidence of criminal activity. Gay clubs aren't immune. Get over it.



    this is a civil rights issue. i think you're being flippant, and i'm trying to understand why.
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    Jul 02, 2009 5:19 PM GMT
    Informed means not being biased just because this represents the gay community, making you come out to its defense 100% of the time. I see nothing but an enforcement of a silly law, but it's a law. Wanting it repealed doesn't mean you don't enforce it. You don't know what exactly went down, how about at least waiting for official charges to be filed. Have you asked questions like "why was it only seven arrested?" "Is it possible that those seven, including Gibson, did something beyond being intoxicated?"

    There we go again making everything a civil rights issue. There are hundreds of gay bars in Texas, do you see a pattern of discrimination and raids??

    All I'm saying is do not automatically defend the gay community. Gay folks aren't saints, and touching officers in a sexual manner should not be tolerated. It's sick and makes me wonder why the hell there is still so much discrimination against us.
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    Jul 02, 2009 5:44 PM GMT
    cruelsummer said

    All I'm saying is do not automatically defend the gay community. Gay folks aren't saints, and touching officers in a sexual manner should not be tolerated. It's sick.


    I agree that gay people aren't any better than regular people, but why do you think cops are? You're quick to write off reports of excessive force at the bar during the raid, but immediately assume that the reports that the officers were groped are true.

    It's not fair for you to criticize people for immediately jumping on the gay side when you're doing the same thing on the police's side.

    Bias is bias, no matter what side you are on.
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    Jul 02, 2009 5:46 PM GMT
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    cruelsummer saidClubs are raided on when the police have suspicion of or evidence of criminal activity. Gay clubs aren't immune. Get over it.



    this is a civil rights issue. i think you're being flippant, and i'm trying to understand why.


    It´s because he´s a jerk.