Outrage

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    Nov 22, 2007 3:36 AM GMT
    KDKA/Pittsburgh has been breaking a pretty big story over the last three days...

    "The U.S. Military is demanding that thousands of wounded service personnel give back signing bonuses because they are unable to serve out their commitments. To get people to sign up, the military gives enlistment bonuses up to $30,000 in some cases. Now men and women who have lost arms, legs, eyesight, hearing and can no longer serve are being ordered to pay some of that money back."

    [url]http://kdka.com/video/?id=34237@kdka.dayport.com[/url]

    I am OUTRAGED, and I am very suprised it hasn't drawn much more attention in the US National press...
  • HndsmKansan

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    Nov 22, 2007 8:31 AM GMT
    It will be... sometimes it takes a little time for those things to be picked up by the national media.
    Watch for it to be on the Today show, CNN or other media this week.
  • MarkX

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    Nov 22, 2007 12:17 PM GMT
    I keep thinking there's got to me more behind that story, the government can't be that obtuse.

    Then I remember.
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    Nov 22, 2007 4:44 PM GMT
    Hello,it's the same government that has been denying benefits to Iraq veterans by claiming their conditions (particularly PTSD) pre-existed their service in Iraq. That also is a huge under-reported scandal.


  • cacti

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    Nov 22, 2007 4:55 PM GMT
    How dare you question the military... it hurts the troops...


    UGHHHhh is this(and by this I mean a LOT of things) really even happening? It's definitely passed the point to where it's just numbing. Nothing can shock me anymore.
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    Nov 22, 2007 5:03 PM GMT
    One thing the article got wrong is the amount of some of the enlistment bonuses.

    Some special warfare specialties have received bonus packages as high as $160k through special emergency funding, etc.

    icon_smile.gif Amused - a couple years ago they tried to get me to re up with bonuses and the offer to bump me a couple of grades. Now, since I came out AFTER the time I served, and if they aren't going to ASK...icon_wink.gif
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    Nov 23, 2007 4:04 AM GMT
    Here is an update.

    http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gzCEcs0j0W6YTBlw6efIp9GhHajQD8T34BV80

    I know from personal experience that the military will cut off a bonus if you can no longer qualify for the bonus (ie medical reasons) but they don't try to recoup previous money (fortunately for my bank account).
  • HndsmKansan

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    Nov 23, 2007 4:17 AM GMT
    The topic came up during our family Thanksgiving dinner... it was discussed on one of the shows, my aunt thought it was the show "Hardball" hosted by Chris Matthews on CNBC, but couldn't be sure. I'm sure more will be discussed.
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    Nov 25, 2007 3:44 AM GMT
    Saw in todays paper that the military won't be going after the bonuses of our wounded vets.

    Instead they'll focus on forcing some next to poverty level wounded vet out onto the street to pay for WWII Filipino War Veterans pensions.

    Saw that in the Army Times today.
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    Nov 25, 2007 4:51 AM GMT
    I read an article about a similar situation, the parents of the wounded 21 year old man, went balistic (of course) and they got a call from the Pentagon saying that their son would not have to give any money back. So now they are waiting for the official retraction of this latest fiasco from the office which first suggested the takeback of funds. I doubt this rule will go anywhere against our wounded, we'll start such an outcry on the bastards they'll wish they were Russians or in China !!! LOL !!!
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    Nov 25, 2007 5:04 AM GMT
    This is an outrage! Going after signging bonuses of wounded vets! What's going after payouts to the widows?
    I'm still scratching my head!icon_twisted.gif

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    Nov 25, 2007 5:39 AM GMT
    If that outrages you, I suggest you not even take a look at what the VA has done...
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    Nov 25, 2007 6:01 AM GMT
    Don't get me started on the VA; I think that Bush and Cheney should be impeached for their crimes in that department alone.

    When the war came up we were faced with quite a few of our employees being activated or recalled. We made the decision to keep them on the payroll at their current salaries (minus their government salaries). It was a close decision.

    It has been difficult, it was not a totally popular move once people realised what the economic consequences would be to the company. We have had to put off aquisition and expansion plans twice so far.

    It was still the right thing to do, and I am proud of our decision. The one thing those soldiers do not need is to worry about balancing their checkbook.

    We also provide Boots, Kevlar Vests, Toughbooks, and monthly care packages of stuff donated by the employees.

    Unfortunately there are damn few other companies that do anything remotely similar.

    It is my hope that some of our policies, like the above, foster a more loyal workforce. So far it seems to be working, we have an incredibly low turnover rate.


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    Nov 25, 2007 6:06 AM GMT
    ITjock,

    That's a stellar company policy, and you all should be applauded for it. I heard a story on NPR the other day that pointed out how rare that type of a policy is, and that soldiers are having a hard time finding work when they get back. It's not wonder that veterans have some of the highest rates of homelessness upon returning from war.
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    Nov 25, 2007 6:24 AM GMT
    honestly? such a thing doesn't shock me any more. it happens so much in so many ways (speaking of our fucking wonderful government) that it has long since lost all shock value with me. i've read about it almost daily for several years now.

    do i feel it is utterly wrong? absolutely.

    is there any irony in the repugnican "support our troops! full steam ahead for war!" statements? ... irony is such a pale word that falls so short of the target.

    there are some 3K soldiers dead from the battlefield. at last count that i recall, there are some 38K that were seriously wounded and died subsequently. naturally those aren't counted. how about the tally of those seriously wounded that are still alive?

    you won't find most of them in government care. they got discharged and kicked to the curb with hordes of lawyers to claim their injury or condition isn't debilitating enough to warrant a VA bed or what-have-you.

    remember, we, the US government, take superb care of our military.

    i am thoroughly disgusted but entirely void of shock.
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    Nov 25, 2007 7:23 AM GMT
    The whole mess has me outraged... and with a shortage of beds in the VA hospitals, and with Walter Reed being so critical to the care of our wounded... they're going to close it rather than upgrade it? Where's the logic?? I also really fail to see why Shrub and Dickhead haven't both been impeached, considering all the shit that they've done... oh, wait... they'd have to get caught getting blown in the oval office for that to happen... icon_rolleyes.gif

    For the record... I hold service men and women in high regard... they're doing a job, following orders, putting it all on the line. I remember clearly Viet Nam... losing my favorite cousin because of it... and since then, I've never been in favor of war (send Bush and Cheney over there... let THEM fight it).

    This topic came up at work today and when I spoke against war but in support of the troops, some idiot had to accuse me of NOT supporting the troops. Grrrrrrrrrr... icon_twisted.gif I fail to see the logic...

    As for Shrub and Dickhead... I saw a guy walking around today at the mall where I work, wearing a sandwichboard sign that read "Bush has a DICK in his ear". icon_lol.gificon_twisted.gif

    I'm tired and I'm starting to ramble... I'll come back to this when I can think coherently...
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    Nov 25, 2007 7:39 AM GMT
    it's the same logic used by those who blather on that if you don't give every penny of your paycheck and your left nut in support of their chosen candidate, we'll be speaking arabic and wearing sandals. i.e. go browse the huckabee site forums.

    in other news, this is where you can find the nut jobs of america. <stereotyped southern mama voice> "and hail and damnation unto those unrepentant non-believers for their foul works and lack of soul sacrifice to support our glorious candidate! bring hellfire and brimstone unto their children!"

    ...

    </voice>

    seriously, people like this do actually exist and they collect like vermin in sewers.
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    Nov 25, 2007 7:53 AM GMT
    moral of the story, don't join the armed services.It could cost you an arm and a leg.
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    Nov 25, 2007 7:55 AM GMT
    FirefighterBlu3... I know they do because I grew up with many of them... and that fact alone scares me more than anything else. Well... that and the fact that people of that description tend to be like lemmings and follow whatever authority figure blindly... regardless of the logic or outcome.

    And to think one of them actually became President... icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Nov 25, 2007 8:05 AM GMT
    i'm normally very articulate and have an exquisitely colorful imagination. but the things some people do leave me at a loss for words.
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    Nov 25, 2007 10:30 AM GMT
    I have outrage fatigue. There are so many things that this current government does wrong that I can no longer muster outrage with the daily onslaught of this government's incompetence and embarrassments.

    Fortunately, John Howard was defeated in the AU election. The Aussies have made it clear that they have had enough of the war in Iraq, Geroge Bush, John Howard, and John Howard's government.
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    Nov 25, 2007 3:55 PM GMT
    The current VA Medical system sucks. They can put all the spin they want on it but it is a system that was and still is unprepared to handle the wounded from Iraq and Afghanistan as well as all of our Vets that are still in the system from Vietnam, Korea, and WWII.

    Our broken government (Congress and the White House) for years has made countless promises to those that join the Armed Forces...and have broken countless promises. Then again, this is the same broken government that has had a 225 year history of breaking treaties and laws.

    I guess this is one reason I have more faith in my state and local governments then I do the Federal government.

    What I do know is that the hope of a change when the Deomcrats took the Congress in the last election faded fast as they proved to be just as bad as the Republicans.

    Oh...

    You can support the troops and not the war. Anyone who says otherwise is full of it.

    You can also serve proudly and honorably and find the war in Iraq to be a waste. I do. I'll be there in February doing it.



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    Dec 23, 2007 11:43 PM GMT
    I'm still toying with the idea of enlisting, I hate this administration, I think this war is bullshit, but I would love to be able to kill a fuck load of people with impugnity, and get paid to do it! I have no malice towards the Iraqis and Afghanis but I'd kill em all if I was given the chance. I've already got PTSD anyways. icon_twisted.gificon_lol.gif
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    Dec 23, 2007 11:47 PM GMT
    Isn't being born, and passing through an inflamed vagina or a cut in the tummy enough to qualify everyone alive as having PTSD?

    I'm still pretty shaken from the ordeal. I'm sure of it. My skin was so much better before I got here.
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    Dec 24, 2007 8:25 PM GMT
    Nah, but having a vicious sociopath almost strangle you to death at the age of 13, then turned everyone you knew against you, harrassed you and intimidated you for a couple of months, and then murdered someone else, someone you knew and rather liked. That should be sufficient to give you PTSD.

    Your mom's pussy sounds pretty traumatizing. So if vaginas are your trauma cue:
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