Ed Schultz of MSNBC going to Canada to investigate their health system

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    Jul 02, 2009 10:23 PM GMT
    He is going to investigate all the claims about how "lousy" the system is and bring it back for our health care debate. This should be interesting.
  • coolarmydude

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    Jul 03, 2009 2:17 AM GMT
    Yeah I also heard him challenge a Republican strategist to go with him in order to prove him and the Republican's chastising Canadian healthcare wrong. This will be good. Very good!
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    Jul 03, 2009 5:17 AM GMT


    Be prepared for a lot of mis-information.

    Remember through it all that each of you would pay 56.00 per month for full coverage. FULL coverage.

    caveats:

    A PSA test costs 30.00 which Human Rights is now challenging as unfair as women get PAP smears and mammogram for free.


    Physiotherapy is not covered (unless in hospital or as outpatient) but you can claim it on your extended care through work (private) and on your income tax.

    Opthalmologists are covered but not opticians (about 75.00)

    Remember that your pop. base is 10X ours and so should be that much more affordable, as everyone does not get ill at the same time.

    We hope this goes well, because you guys as well as every American deserves healthcare as a basic right in the pursuit of happiness, freedom et al that your constitution stands for.

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    Jul 03, 2009 5:49 AM GMT

    It still shocks me to read that there are people who have to pay for their healthcare. It's like reading that some country charges it's citizens an air tax for the air they breath, or fees to drive on roads. I've just never associated healthcare with having a cost, and it sounds so strange to hear people talk about it that way.

    Although, I understand that the quality of service provided by American hospitals might be better. I used to have to file incident reports when ever any of the 210 foster children in the agency I used to work for had to be taken to the ER. Sometime these children had to wait up to 3 hours to be seen by a doctor! I know that reducing these ridiculous wait time is one on the top priorities of our Minister of Health here in Ontario, but I'm sure that Americans never have to wait that long considering what they pay.
  • Sirkit

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    Jul 03, 2009 5:56 AM GMT
    I've heard wait times are similar depending on the hospital and your insurance. This coming from a Canadian friend of mine who is living in the States (DC) and who has health coverage through his employer, a state university. I would be curious for an unbiased assessment of the American system since in Alberta it is constantly championed as what we should be doing were it not for those pesky federal laws getting in the way.
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    Jul 03, 2009 6:04 AM GMT


    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory?id=5525123


    ...and these are just averages...
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    Jul 03, 2009 6:06 AM GMT
    Didn't Michael Moore already do a documentary about that?
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    Jul 03, 2009 7:20 AM GMT
    Michael_Mccarry saidDidn't Michael Moore already do a documentary about that?

    He did Sicko. But this Ed trip is to address the arguments of the opponents to a government alternative to private health insurance.

    I have already written to my congressman and both senators that I want a gov't health insurance that is independent of my employer and that I can take with me from job to job.


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    Jul 05, 2009 2:17 AM GMT
    UofTLatinBoy saidAlthough, I understand that the quality of service provided by American hospitals might be better. I used to have to file incident reports when ever any of the 210 foster children in the agency I used to work for had to be taken to the ER. Sometime these children had to wait up to 3 hours to be seen by a doctor! I know that reducing these ridiculous wait time is one on the top priorities of our Minister of Health here in Ontario, but I'm sure that Americans never have to wait that long considering what they pay.


    In the US, people without coverage may get far worse care and experience much longer wait times than anyone in Canada. There was a case in NYC a year or two ago where some poor person died in the waiting room of a hospital after waiting for something like 24 hours without being seen. And 60 Minutes aired a piece showing a woman with cancer calling around to different hospitals in Las Vegas trying to get treatment and none of them would take her because the state system was bankrupt. Her kids were in the next room and had to listen to their dying mom beg for treatment. The medical supply company even came and repossessed the hospital-type bed she had at home when she lost coverage.

    The reporting on this issue by most of the US media, CNN et al, is generally very slanted. But that's what you get when drug companies are a major sponsor.
  • UFJocknerd

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    Jul 05, 2009 2:41 AM GMT
    I think most of the wait times stuff is propaganda. I never waited long for help when I lived in Canada, even in an ER.

    Example story: I was having weird headaches a few years back. My doctor suggested a CT scan to make sure it wasn't a brain tumor or an aneurysm. I waited three days to get the scan for free; everything was fine. In the US, I think wait times are reduced by people deciding they're unable to pay for a test when there's such a small chance of something being wrong, or not going to the hospital at all.

    I've noticed that, very very frequently, Americans ask me about the "awful wait times" when I laud Canadian healthcare. I really think it is just a bunch of US news propaganda.
  • coolarmydude

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    Jul 05, 2009 2:58 AM GMT
    UFJocknerd saidI've noticed that, very very frequently, Americans ask me about the "awful wait times" when I laud Canadian healthcare. I really think it is just a bunch of US news propaganda.


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