Gays Are The New 'N' Word (Sorry....I can't use that word)

  • metta

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    Jul 03, 2009 9:35 AM GMT
    The title has historical significance. It is not something that I would have ever said.



    Please read the entire article:
    http://killingthebuddha.com/mag/damnation/gays-are-the-new-niggers/


    Rev. Osagyefo Uhuru Sekou


    Gays Are the New Niggers

    40 years after the Stonewall riots, what Bayard Rustin means for American democracy.




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    Those who declare “Gay is the New Black” have outraged intellectuals, religious leaders, and politicians inside the black community. They have outraged, for instance, Rev. Irene Monroe, who identifies three cardinal sins of whiteness plaguing the gay-marriage movement: 1) exploiting black suffering and experiences to legitimate its own; 2) rallying against heterosexist oppression while remaining silent on its own white-skin privilege; 3) appropriating the content of the black civil rights movement but discarding the historical context. Rev. Monroe is right. If there is to be a black-and-gay coalition, it will have to listen to her.

    But it will also have to remember Bayard Rustin. Rustin, an openly gay black man, helped introduce Gandhian nonviolence to the African-American civil rights movement. His pacifism landed him in jail for refusing to participate in World War II. He was part of the first Freedom Rides in 1947, helped to found the Congress for Racial Equality, and was National Field Secretary for the Fellowship of Reconciliation. Rustin was among the most famous advocates of Gandhian nonviolence in the 1930s and 1940s, and the Mahatma once summoned him to a conference in India. Beginning with the Montgomery Bus Boycott, he served as key adviser to Martin Luther King, Jr., giving him the chance to train Dr. King in the philosophy of nonviolence as a way of life.
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    Naming (faggot and nigger), vigilante violence/hate crimes (Matthew Shepard and Emmett Till), legislative disenfranchisement (Plessy vs. Ferguson and Prop. 8 , hyper-sexualized stereotypes, and housing and employment discrimination have been used to undermine the humanity of both groups. And, for both, much of it has been done and justified by religion. Oppressive forces across time and space, and across race and class, share in the same brutal methods. They must be answered with a common cause.

    The historical and contemporary experiences of black and queer folks not are the same. They are clearly different—but not dissimilar. Their similarity carries a moral obligation to compare struggles and stories, to forge an existential identification between the oppressed groups. In the past, black folks were the chief victims of moral outrage and political warfare; queer folks are today.

    Gay folks can learn from the questioning hermeneutics that black folks applied to the Bible and the Constitution. If queer folks come to read the Bible in one hand and the Constitution in the other, they too begin to reclaim the liberating promise of these texts.

    Rustin, however, places the burden of proof on the queer community. There are responsibilities that come to those who claim to be oppressed. Indifference to the suffering of other human beings cannot be a part of one’s own struggle, he insists. The queer community cannot work toward justice for itself alone. It must, self-critically, reject all forms of prejudice. Rustin writes that a society that denies school children food will never grant gay rights. By the same logic, a society that rejects universal health, embraces preemptive war, and houses more black men in prison than in college will never grant queer folks their God-given rights or their rights as democratic citizens.

    To share in the hateful legacy of “nigger” requires generosity on the part of black people. We must be freely giving of the gift we have given democracy for over four centuries. In the same manner that Rustin and others marched and were beaten for everybody’s democracy, we must continue to extend the hand of freedom and the history of hope to the queer community. We have so much to teach: how to be persecuted but not forsake our democratic values, how to be cast down but not out, and how to meet legislative setbacks with existential victories. The black and queer communities face these questions together now, after the passage of California’s Proposition 8 last year and after the renewal of the Defense of Marriage Act on the watch of the first African-American president. A dreadful word with so much ugly history is the very window through which we can begin to see each other’s humanity.

    All niggers—historical and contemporary—must join forces to achieve freedom for all. Rustin places a moral challenge on those in the struggle: “Every indifference to prejudice is suicide because, if I don’t fight all bigotry, bigotry itself will be strengthened and, sooner or later, it will return on me.”


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    http://killingthebuddha.com/mag/damnation/gays-are-the-new-niggers/
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    Jul 03, 2009 9:38 AM GMT
    ironic...

    http://www.authspot.com/Poetry/Give-Me-Your-Tired-Your-Poor-But-Not-Your-Gay.845129
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    Jul 03, 2009 10:15 AM GMT
    the only connection between the words "nigger" and "Homo-gay" is that they both spread hate but both have separate meanings and history and i dont think gay individuals should ever link the two. Do not compare being gay to a separate struggle that shows conflict between races......races and sexuality is two different things and the idiot that first started this claim "gay is the new black"...please...they should not be in the same category.
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    Jul 03, 2009 10:56 AM GMT
    tereseus1 saidthe only connection between the words "nigger" and "Homo-gay" is that they both spread hate but both have separate meanings and history and i dont think gay individuals should ever link the two. Do not compare being gay to a separate struggle that shows conflict between races......races and sexuality is two different things and the idiot that first started this claim "gay is the new black"...please...they should not be in the same category.


    That is not what the article said...perhaps you missed the point? The comparison was merely used to show that bigotry and prejudice must continuously be fought. I think it also implies that if you claim that you are oppressed, you must fight oppression whatever form it takes and that means fighting it if it is directed at you and any other race/creed/religion/gender/orientation/etc.... That's what I took from that article.
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    Jul 03, 2009 2:22 PM GMT
    tereseus1 saidthe only connection between the words "nigger" and "Homo-gay" is that they both spread hate but both have separate meanings and history and i dont think gay individuals should ever link the two. Do not compare being gay to a separate struggle that shows conflict between races......races and sexuality is two different things and the idiot that first started this claim "gay is the new black"...please...they should not be in the same category.


    dude, why don't you get your head out of your ass and realize that's not even what the article is about. you have a ridiculous sense of pride that has no place in this conversation. and just for the hell of it "Gay is the new Black!" because you obviously have no clue what that means.
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    calibro said
    tereseus1 saidthe only connection between the words "nigger" and "Homo-gay" is that they both spread hate but both have separate meanings and history and i dont think gay individuals should ever link the two. Do not compare being gay to a separate struggle that shows conflict between races......races and sexuality is two different things and the idiot that first started this claim "gay is the new black"...please...they should not be in the same category.


    dude, why don't you get your head out of your ass and realize that's not even what the article is about. you have a ridiculous sense of pride that has no place in this conversation. and just for the hell of it "Gay is the new Black!" because you obviously have no clue what that means.
    ahem... ditto
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    Jul 03, 2009 4:53 PM GMT
    Yeah bigotry and hate speech should always be fought, all kinds of it. Me personally I feel anyone who spews garbage that incites hatred towards another group of people, should be shut down, because that's how it started in Nazi Germany, that's how it always starts. And American soldiers returning from the war realized this, when they came back to their own country, and saw how blacks, and other races were being treated, and that started to begin the wheels of change.

    However I don't think the word Faggot is "the new" anything, that's taking it a bit too far. You'll always have people who hate, and give hate speech, even act on it, that is just a sad sad reality that portrays one of mankind's many imperfections, and you'll run into it no matter where you go. However we live in a time where such speech, and action is not acceptable, and not just by our laws, but by a large majority of Americans.

    There is a lot of bigotry/discrimination within the gay community too, so I think the gay community needs to address this more, and work on fixing it, before they start going around telling other people what they should do.

    As for the whole Matthew Shepard thing, cause I saw that mentioned. He wasn't killed because he was gay, and that whole thing was actually proven I believe it was on MSNBC. He was killed by 2 young stupid boys, who were drunk, and wanted to rob someone because one of em was a drug dealer, and owed somebody money, and they thought Mathew was kind of a "rich kid". He was an easy target because he looked weak, he was a small guy. And as always when you have young stupid boys who try to do something like that, when it all goes to hell, meaning they fucked up, and then are afraid of getting caught, they always do the most stupidest thing by killing the victim. The same happened with this drug dealer's little brother in 99/00. When they found out they could get life in prison for kidnapping, they killed him. That movie Alpha Dog was inspired by that event.

    Same with that girl who's name escapes me, she was brutally raped by two once again drunk stupid young guys, who were then afraid of her getting them into trouble, so they killed her, and everyone else in the house thinking that would save their worthless asses.

    There was a story of a young girl, lesbian black, who was killed because she was a lesbian, but that never got any kind of play at all. I remember Rosy O'Donnell talking about it (I don't like that woman), this was like I think in 01/02

    I'm not saying gays don't get assaulted, they do and its horrible, but its no where near what other races have gone through and never will be.
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    calibro said
    tereseus1 saidthe only connection between the words "nigger" and "Homo-gay" is that they both spread hate but both have separate meanings and history and i dont think gay individuals should ever link the two. Do not compare being gay to a separate struggle that shows conflict between races......races and sexuality is two different things and the idiot that first started this claim "gay is the new black"...please...they should not be in the same category.


    dude, why don't you get your head out of your ass and realize that's not even what the article is about. you have a ridiculous sense of pride that has no place in this conversation. and just for the hell of it "Gay is the new Black!" because you obviously have no clue what that means.


    BOTH YOU AND TERESEUS1 ARE OUT OF LINE. icon_evil.gificon_evil.gificon_evil.gif
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    Jul 03, 2009 5:02 PM GMT
    Perhaps, Terseus, you should real the entire article written by Reverend Sekou.

    Here's what the first paragraph says:

    Those who declare “Gay is the New Black” have outraged intellectuals, religious leaders, and politicians inside the black community. They have outraged, for instance, Rev. Irene Monroe, who identifies three cardinal sins of whiteness plaguing the gay-marriage movement: 1) exploiting black suffering and experiences to legitimate its own; 2) rallying against heterosexist oppression while remaining silent on its own white-skin privilege; 3) appropriating the content of the black civil rights movement but discarding the historical context. Rev. Monroe is right. If there is to be a black-and-gay coalition, it will have to listen to her.

    Now, here's my question to the OP: Why did you omit the first paragraph???
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    Jul 03, 2009 5:35 PM GMT
    ^
    I assumed that people would click on the link to read the entire story. The entire article is very good. I try not to copy entire stories for copyright reasons.
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    calibro said
    tereseus1 saidthe only connection between the words "nigger" and "Homo-gay" is that they both spread hate but both have separate meanings and history and i dont think gay individuals should ever link the two. Do not compare being gay to a separate struggle that shows conflict between races......races and sexuality is two different things and the idiot that first started this claim "gay is the new black"...please...they should not be in the same category.


    dude, why don't you get your head out of your ass and realize that's not even what the article is about. you have a ridiculous sense of pride that has no place in this conversation. and just for the hell of it "Gay is the new Black!" because you obviously have no clue what that means.


    Dumbass...NIGGER means Ignoranticon_lol.gificon_rolleyes.gif and any race can be a nigger0002031F.gif
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    Jul 03, 2009 5:45 PM GMT
    The quote formats were a little messed up.
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    Jul 03, 2009 5:54 PM GMT
    Bayard Rustin was an amazing person.
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayard_Rustin

    I recommend watching Brother Outsider or buying the video. I bought 5 last years just to give away to people .. http://rustin.org/?page_id=2
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    Jul 03, 2009 6:25 PM GMT
    metta8 said^
    I assumed that people would click on the link to read the entire story. The entire article is very good. I try not to copy entire stories for copyright reasons.


    Understood. But the first paragrah is important. Without it, you have people like Tereseus1 and Calibro saying outlandish shit.
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    Jul 03, 2009 7:27 PM GMT
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    pargraph added as per your request. I would still recommend reading the entire article. I originally posted this at 2:30 in the morning.
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    Jul 03, 2009 7:52 PM GMT
    ActiveAndFit saidBayard Rustin was an amazing person.
    377px-BayardRustinAug1963-LibraryOfCongr
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayard_Rustin

    I recommend watching Brother Outsider or buying the video. I bought 5 last years just to give away to people .. http://rustin.org/?page_id=2


    Thanks for the information. I was not aware of this. They should make this documentary more readily available. The only place that it is for sale is on that web site. There is very little information on the internet regarding this documentary and the documentary was from 2003. I find that very strange. Well, I just ordered the documentary as well as one of the books.






    http://www.pbs.org/pov/brotheroutsider/

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0337902/
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    BlkMuscleGent said
    metta8 said^
    I assumed that people would click on the link to read the entire story. The entire article is very good. I try not to copy entire stories for copyright reasons.


    Understood. But the first paragrah is important. Without it, you have people like Tereseus1 and Calibro saying outlandish shit.


    ditto!! Communication saves the nation!
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    Jul 03, 2009 8:53 PM GMT
    BlkMuscleGent said
    metta8 said^
    I assumed that people would click on the link to read the entire story. The entire article is very good. I try not to copy entire stories for copyright reasons.


    Understood. But the first paragrah is important. Without it, you have people like Tereseus1 and Calibro saying outlandish shit.


    Actually, I stick by my reply. Playing the "don't equate blacks with gays" card is ridiculous, and frankly, if you're only justification for it is you're black, that's hardly a reason. I don't remember Tereseus1 marching in Selma or being apart of the Freedom Riders. What sort of authority, aside from being related to people who experienced the civil rights movement, does he have to make statements about it? Furthermore, people have been battling for rights long before blacks. Guess what? The civil rights movement was based off the women's suffrage movement. Should women take offense to that? No. People have and will always fight for their liberties, and saying "gay is the new black" is simply a manner of saying gays are the newest group fighting. It doesn't diminish what African Americans went through nor excuse what was done to them; it's completely unrelated. So if someone is gonna start shit about playing the my race is victimized more card, I am gonna tell them to pull their head out of their asses, especially when they completely misread the article.
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    Jul 03, 2009 9:38 PM GMT
    Regardless of what the article meant, I would be happy if gays would just learn their own history and struggles. There is no need to borrow anything from anyone else. We have over 1600 years of documented persecution that no one wants to bring up. The nature of homophobia is to cover up, even to this day, that history.

    I have heard older gay men say that because gays are born to straight families, and there are generation gaps (aids almost wiped out one generation), there is no continuity or anyone to hand down the stories to. The nature of homophobia also caused gays to hide their history in shame like the surviving gays that suffered in Nazi Germany who were not even recognized until the last decade after they were almost all dead.

    Since gays come from all races, nations and cultures there is no need to make our cause narrow. But Gays need to stand on their own feet and stop begging and groveling for rights because we or others don't know our own history.
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    Jul 03, 2009 9:48 PM GMT
    calibro said
    BlkMuscleGent said
    metta8 said^
    I assumed that people would click on the link to read the entire story. The entire article is very good. I try not to copy entire stories for copyright reasons.


    Understood. But the first paragrah is important. Without it, you have people like Tereseus1 and Calibro saying outlandish shit.


    Actually, I stick by my reply. Playing the "don't equate blacks with gays" card is ridiculous, and frankly, if you're only justification for it is you're black, that's hardly a reason. I don't remember Tereseus1 marching in Selma or being apart of the Freedom Riders. What sort of authority, aside from being related to people who experienced the civil rights movement, does he have to make statements about it? Furthermore, people have been battling for rights long before blacks. Guess what? The civil rights movement was based off the women's suffrage movement. Should women take offense to that? No. People have and will always fight for their liberties, and saying "gay is the new black" is simply a manner of saying gays are the newest group fighting. It doesn't diminish what African Americans went through nor excuse what was done to them; it's completely unrelated. So if someone is gonna start shit about playing the my race is victimized more card, I am gonna tell them to pull their head out of their asses, especially when they completely misread the article.


    Sekou talks about people like you in the first paragraph of his article.

    You have a right to your opinion, Calibro, though I disagree with it.
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    Jul 03, 2009 9:55 PM GMT
    As regards Bayard R., I have great respect for the man. I remember watching a PBS documentary on him and thinking, "Wow! I want to be smart and courageous like Bayard R." And he could sing too!
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    Jul 03, 2009 10:15 PM GMT
    BlkMuscleGent said
    Sekou talks about people like you in the first paragraph of his article.

    You have a right to your opinion, Calibro, though I disagree with it.


    Except I find her statement (the reverend he is alluding to in that paragraph) to be egregious in her logic. Again, suffering is not limited and did not start with black people. It happened to be the first movement in America captured by the press and television, so it received a lot more attention than anything prior. People have always been suffering and they still do. If certain black people are so offended by having gays express their own battle for civil rights as a statement to imply they are the new wave of fighters, then they should look in the mirror and realize MLK Jr. march so that they could decades later debase gays for are now struggling. The hypocrisy is ludicrous and you can't copyright a movement or plight.
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    Jul 03, 2009 10:19 PM GMT
    I think that we should have a tribute to him at the March in Washington as well as a tribute to Harvey Milk. These influential leaders need to be remembered and we need to learn from them.

    No one has ever said the the struggles are the same. That is not the point. That was never the point. However, you cannot deny that they are both struggles for civil rights.

    We must teach America and the World about the importance of learning about and honoring the impact that Bayard Rustin has had on the history of the civil rights movement. His impact has almost been ignored solely because he was gay. That is wrong. We need to right this wrong in history.
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    Jul 03, 2009 10:35 PM GMT
    Here you can get the Bayard Rustin DVD for only 25.00 .. I thought it was well worth it

    http://www.neoflix.com/store/Que77/

    I also recommend Paragraph 175
    http://www.amazon.com/Paragraph-175-Rupert-Everett/dp/B00005YUP1
    The Life and Times of Harvey Milk
    http://www.amazon.com/Times-Harvey-Milk-1984/dp/B0001Y4LDW/ref=pd_sim_d_2
    or watch here .. http://www.hulu.com/watch/49577/the-times-of-harvey-milk
    for the bible tells me so
    http://www.amazon.com/Bible-Tells-Me-So/dp/B000YHQNCI/ref=pd_sim_d_4
    There is also some stuff on stonewall on amazon.

    More than anything get a good book on LGBT history
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    Jul 03, 2009 10:37 PM GMT
    I'm sorry but I have to refute the gay men are the new nigger!

    For one thing a homosexual can hide his sexuality, and a black fella, is black from birth. So right from birth, he can be subjected to discrimination, no matter how well behaved he be!

    Yet a homosexuals sexuality is not prevalent from birth, and may never be! no matter how bad he may act.

    So thus a black fella gets a double whammy, for being born black, and he can be rejected from his community and the white community, for being a homosexual too!

    So I'm sorry, but I reject the thought that homosexuals are the new nigger.

    Thats just playing the victim.

    But in Oz, where once white man receives more rights than a black fella, and now newcomers to Oz, or even homosexuals only 1,2 or 3 generations born to Oz, get more rights than I do. A True blue Aussie; the real thing, and not some cheap import.

    So I could say I'm the new black fella in Oz, but I don't play the victim, for being a homosexual.