NBC reporting her as resigning, but other news outlets initially merely said she's not running for reelection. Perhaps running for US Senate after all.
Red_Vespa saidNBC reporting her as resigning, but other news outlets initially merely said she's not running for reelection. Perhaps running for US Senate after all.
I saw yesterday that there were some really fucked up e-mails that she sent while campaigning, the contents of which revealed that her husband had been a member of the Alaskan Independence party, an org that "advocates succession from the US" LOL . http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/07/02/palin_schmidt/
Huffpo is making reference to an "iceberg scandal" which is related to possible IRS issues, "there is going to be some fireworks this weekend" LOL
No one can misread a situation like this women. She just opened herself to all sorts of political comments i.e. She can not run a state government and write a book at the same time, that or questions for years on what political skeletons drove her out of office. I can hear the nicknames now "Cut and Run Sarah"!
I truly hope that the republican party can do better. I can not conceive of a situation where I would not vote for Obama but I would at least like to be given two credible options.
At least its a good day for Alaskans!
P.S. The tabloids are going to eat this up...I bet they say she has some rare disease!!!
Red_Vespa saidNBC reporting her as resigning, but other news outlets initially merely said she's not running for reelection. Perhaps running for US Senate after all.
I was doing cardio right in front of the CNN tv. When I started they said she wasn't running for reelection, but by the time I left they said she was stepping down at the end of this month.
If she's smart, she'll run for the Senate, and the timing is right for a Senate run, but I'm hoping she runs for President, because Obama needs all the help he can get.
I just saw on the local news here a piece of the press conference video where she said that since she has decided not to run for governor again, she is transferring power to the Lt. Governor, who will be sworn in as governor at the end of the month. The news said there are rumors that the move is so she can concentrate on a 2012 run for the presidency.
And I thought it was another governor stepping down for committing adultery. Then again, she does have a hunky hubby. hahaha.
Your interactive look at Sarah President as President some day. Hint: keep the window closed to silence the mob outside, or you won't be able hear her comments very well.
Joan Walsh has a great instant analysis of Palin's speech. The highlight of the piece is this quote:
CNN is now running the entire speech; earlier, it only ran a clip from her resignation statement onward. It's crazy stuff. For the first 10 minutes or so, Palin rambled weirdly about all the good things she's done for Alaska, on energy and budget issues, sounding kind of like a Furby who memorized a lot of information but has no idea how to repeat it in a human-like way. The tone and inflection were completely off.
We'll see what happens, all of the scandals people tried to throw on her, the ethical crap, all dismissed so it can't be something like that. So far I take her word for it, why she is resigning, we'll see what happens from here on with her.
I think the reason why the elite hate her on both sides, is because she scares them. And of course the nitwits (people) who are hung up on their pathetic little ideologies, and lack common sense, and cannot think for themselves, or see, they go along with it.
Sure I don't agree with all of her politics, but I think she is a good person, she's also an inspiration for many women, she's the embodiment of the whole woman's movement. She comes from a working middle class family, she's a self made woman, didn't have a rich daddy, or uncle to help her in her career, or a husband already in the game.
I also feel she's honest, and speaks from the heart, something I wish more politicians today would do, everyone seems so prepackaged, and phony. This is why people liked Palin, because she spoke from the heart, and she knocked out the bad in both parties.
For those who like to sit back and say she's a joke, try looking at some of the people already running the country. I'd take Palin being president any day over Pelosi, or Joe loose lips Biden.
Like I said, though I don't agree with everything she's said, I'm honest enough to see what I like in her, and what I wish more politicians would be like. Most of you in here who hate her, are phony, as well as the elites out there, because if all was the same with her, except she was a Democrat, and some Republicans/Conservatives were saying sexist stuff about her, and bashing her, you ladies would all have your panties in a knot.
Rad_d81 said I think the reason why the elite hate her on both sides, is because she scares them. And of course the nitwits (people) who are hung up on their pathetic little ideologies, and lack common sense, and cannot think for themselves, or see, they go along with it. . . . For those who like to sit back and say she's a joke, try looking at some of the people already running the country. I'd take Palin being president any day over Pelosi, or Joe loose lips Biden.
First of all, I doubt anyone with a brain is 'scared' of Sarah Palin. Amused by is the right term.
And there you go again: yesterday Franken was a 'joke', today you don't like Nancy Pelosi and refer to Biden as 'Loose Lips'.
And yet you've never said a bad word on here about any Republican. You're what they call a "concern troll".
Don't believe for a second that Sarah Palin is quitting politics. She's not going anywhere other than stepping down as Governor. Unless there is some sort of scandal brewing that is about to unfold involving her, I'm guessing she's got all kinds of things planned that will keep her out in the public eye. Personally, I think she should run for the Senate in 2010 and focus on 2016 if she truly thinks she has a shot at President. She has a great deal to learn, and I am sure that she knows that. Regardless, it was a very shrewd political gamble for her to quit as Governor, but it remains to be seen if it will prove fatal or beneficial in the bigger picture. One thing is for sure, regardless of her detractors, this is a woman who does things her way, sometimes against the grain, and that has worked for her in the past. Sarah Palin doesn't draw the huge crowds she does wherever she goes for thinking inside the box. She is unconventional, and that is a large part of her appeal.
Well if nothing else it will take some of the attention away from Micheal jackson's death....may he RIP...and back onto crazy messed up Republican govenors....unless it's FOX News.....and then it's just deny deny deny....(rinse and repeat as needed.)
CuriousJockAZ said Unless there is some sort of scandal brewing that is about to unfold involving her, I'm guessing she's got all kinds of things planned that will keep her out in the public eye.
I'm betting that there is a scandal brewing. This is not a good recommendation for anyone hoping to be elected to higher office. Can't you see the ads now? 'Sarah Palin couldn't be bothered to finish the job the people elected her to do', etc.
CuriousJockAZ said Unless there is some sort of scandal brewing that is about to unfold involving her, I'm guessing she's got all kinds of things planned that will keep her out in the public eye.
I'm betting that there is a scandal brewing. This is not a good recommendation for anyone hoping to be elected to higher office. Can't you see the ads now? 'Sarah Palin couldn't be bothered to finish the job the people elected her to do', etc.
If there is not a scandal, then maybe some higher paying gig like some political commentator or show.
A Senate run doesn't make sense...Ted Steven's spot has already been filled, and Murkowski isn't up for re-election until 2010, but why challenge a well liked Republican...(please be running for president!)
This is not a good recommendation for anyone hoping to be elected to higher office. Can't you see the ads now? 'Sarah Palin couldn't be bothered to finish the job the people elected her to do', etc.
By conventional thinking, I agree, of course this is not a recommended move for anyone seeking higher office. But, if Sarah Palin is anything she is unconventional. How she uses her time in the months to come will determine how this plays out. Sarah Palin marches to her own drum, and that's what people like about her...those that like her that is LOL. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if this works in her favor if she plays her cards right.
CuriousJockAZ said Unless there is some sort of scandal brewing that is about to unfold involving her, I'm guessing she's got all kinds of things planned that will keep her out in the public eye.
This is not a good recommendation for anyone hoping to be elected to higher office. Can't you see the ads now? 'Sarah Palin couldn't be bothered to finish the job the people elected her to do', etc.
I COMPLETELY disagree. This is the responsible thing to do while seeking higher office.
Both McCain and Obama held on to their Senate seats while running for president, they missed ALOT votes, and basically weren't doing their job for their constiuents. If Palin is indeed seeking to run for president, cheers to here for putting Alaska first, and not trying to do both at once, neglecting her primary responsibilities.
jprichva saidThis is not a good recommendation for anyone hoping to be elected to higher office. Can't you see the ads now? 'Sarah Palin couldn't be bothered to finish the job the people elected her to do', etc.
I COMPLETELY disagree. This is the responsible thing to do while seeking higher office.
Then by your reasoning, President Bush should have resigned during his first term, so he could run for reelection in 2004. (Of course, then it technically wouldn't have been reelection, since Cheney would have been President) And the first President Bush should have resigned the Vice Presidency before running for President in 1988.
Your argument doesn't stand, and it isn't backed by US political history, with examples of serving incumbents running for different offices, or the same office, since the founding of this country.
jprichva saidI'm betting that there is a scandal brewing. This is not a good recommendation for anyone hoping to be elected to higher office. Can't you see the ads now? 'Sarah Palin couldn't be bothered to finish the job the people elected her to do', etc.
You betcha!!! Gosh Darnnitt, Jumping from a moving vehicle is Mavericky!
Thanks but no thanks for that Governorship to nowhere
jprichva saidThis is not a good recommendation for anyone hoping to be elected to higher office. Can't you see the ads now? 'Sarah Palin couldn't be bothered to finish the job the people elected her to do', etc.
I COMPLETELY disagree. This is the responsible thing to do while seeking higher office.
Then by your reasoning, President Bush should have resigned during his first term, so he could run for reelection in 2004. (Of course, then it technically wouldn't have been reelection, since Cheney would have been President) And the first President Bush should have resigned the Vice Presidency before running for President in 1988.
Your argument doesn't stand, and it isn't backed by US political history, with examples of serving incumbents running for different offices, or the same office, since the founding of this country.
blah blah blah...history states..i was stating a personal opinion, not quoting historical trends...pay attention scooter.
Oh, I don't believe for a second that Ms Palin is ridin' off into the Alaskan sunset
She is definitely making way for some sort of National Bid She has a background in broadcasting so it might be something like Huckabee or Scarborough hooked into or it might be for the National Legislature ahead of the run for Pres But this one is like mold ... you ain't gettin' rid of this one so easy
Rad_d81 said I'd take Palin being president any day over Pelosi, or Joe loose lips Biden.
And there you go again: yesterday Franken was a 'joke', today you don't like Nancy Pelosi and refer to Biden as 'Loose Lips'.
And yet you've never said a bad word on here about any Republican. You're what they call a "concern troll".
Funny how you're "looking" for me to say something bad about a Republican, what you want is for me to sit here and spew the misguided hate like you and other harpies like yourself do, not happening.
I already said I don't agree with all of her politics, doesn't mean I hate her, and in past post I've criticized Bush, its just not what harpies like yourself is looking for.
When people jumped all over Obama about certain things I defended him, I don't agree with any of Obama's politics, but I do not hate him, and want him to do well, and I've been pretty fair, that's something people like yourself aren't capable of.
And yes I can sit back here and say Franken is a joke, I stand by that, based on what I've learned of him over the years, we'll see how he does, but don't be surprised if he does a less than stellar performance. Based on where he comes from, and what he's been about.
P.S The little drawing is a perfect representation of yourself, and all others like you ^_^
Rad_d81 said And yes I can sit back here and say Franken is a joke, I stand by that, based on what I've learned of him over the years, we'll see how he does, but don't be surprised if he does a less than stellar performance. Based on where he comes from, and what he's been about.
Yeah, it kinda takes away from your claim that you don't talk shit about either side when you call people "jokes" and "Loose Lips".
AF24 saidblah blah blah...history states..i was stating a personal opinion, not quoting historical trends...pay attention scooter.
One of the common errors of the poorly educated in the US is the mistaken belief that stating a personal opinion, which is a Constitutional right, simultaneously imparts unassailable validity on that opinion. But opinions are liable to the same tests for accuracy and truthfulness as other thoughts and propositions, especially when you apply them to actual situations.
As a history teacher, I would never have accepted a student telling me, in defense of a factually wrong answer: "Well, that's my opinion, and I'm entitled to it, so you can't say I'm wrong." I can indeed say you are wrong, when you simply don't know what you are talking about.
Rad_d81 said And yes I can sit back here and say Franken is a joke, I stand by that, based on what I've learned of him over the years, we'll see how he does, but don't be surprised if he does a less than stellar performance. Based on where he comes from, and what he's been about.
Yeah, it kinda takes away from your claim that you don't talk shit about either side when you call people "jokes" and "Loose Lips".
I think you're amazingly full of crap.
*sigh*, Does your brain work... I think you need to put whatever you are smoking down, I mean seriously haha.
I never said I don't talk shit about either side, what you just said absolutely makes no sense what so ever, which also has me doubting your intelligence.
I said no politician needs to be throwing shit at the other group until they both clean up their own shit. I don't allow myself to be hung up on either side. I'm not a Republican, Democrat, Liberal, or Conservative, I feel locking yourself in a group causes limitations, not only that both sides need a lot of work. I'm sick of both of em, When the Republicans were in charge, I criticized the stuff they were doing, that I didn't agree with, and felt was setting the country on the wrong path. Though I proudly served in the military, I was strongly against how the war was started, and managed for awhile. The Democrats have the ball now, so my attention is on them.
I can talk all the shit I want about each side, that doesn't mean I think both sides are all bad, I know there are good honest people on both sides, as I said yesterday, unfortunately due to the bad ones which seem to usually get more play, the good ones suffer from it as well.
If a politician stepped up that was an actual leader, and truly was for the people, and his record matched his words, I'd be supporting him like mad, Democrat, Republican I don't care.
And yes Joe loose lips Biden is a very appropriate name for him I like it ^_^
And no I'm not full of crap, I just don't buy yours ^_^
MunchingZombie saidSo, with Palin, Sanford, and Ensign out of the way. Who is left to run in 2012?
Jeb Bush and Michelle Bachman! ZOMG! What a dream ticket!
We'll see who pops up. Remember Obama kinda came out of no where, and there were no Democrats people were too happy about. Right now I'm not excited about anyone, and I think its way too early for people to be looking for which Republican should run, and Republicans shouldn't be worried about that either. What they should be doing is reforming their party, fixing up the stuff that made them lose the trust of the people, and got em in the dog house.
MunchingZombie saidSo, with Palin, Sanford, and Ensign out of the way. Who is left to run in 2012?
Jeb Bush and Michelle Bachman! ZOMG! What a dream ticket!
We'll see who pops up. Remember Obama kinda came out of no where, and there were no Democrats people were too happy about. Right now I'm not excited about anyone, and I think its way too early for people to be looking for which Republican should run, and Republicans shouldn't be worried about that either. What they should be doing is reforming their party, fixing up the stuff that made them lose the trust of the people, and got em in the dog house.
Obama didn't quite come out of nowhere. He was the underdog, for sure, but he wowed the DNC in 2004 and was floated for President ever since he won his Senate race.
And people were wild over Hillary. She was the inevitable nominee until Iowa. So, I have to disagree that people weren't too excited over anyone.
Though, I will agree. The Republican party does need to reform and become relevant again if it doesn't want to go the way of the Whigs. But, so far it is in no danger of bettering itself the way it is playing in the Senate or in the RNC.
MunchingZombie saidSo, with Palin, Sanford, and Ensign out of the way. Who is left to run in 2012?
Jeb Bush and Michelle Bachman! ZOMG! What a dream ticket!
We'll see who pops up. Remember Obama kinda came out of no where, and there were no Democrats people were too happy about. Right now I'm not excited about anyone, and I think its way too early for people to be looking for which Republican should run, and Republicans shouldn't be worried about that either. What they should be doing is reforming their party, fixing up the stuff that made them lose the trust of the people, and got em in the dog house.
Obama didn't quite come out of nowhere. He was the underdog, for sure, but he wowed the DNC in 2004 and was floated for President ever since he won his Senate race.
And people were wild over Hillary. She was the inevitable nominee until Iowa. So, I have to disagree that people weren't too excited over anyone.
Though, I will agree. The Republican party does need to reform and become relevant again if it doesn't want to go the way of the Whigs. But, so far it is in no danger of bettering itself the way it is playing in the Senate or in the RNC.
Yeah I remember that, but people didn't feel he'd be able to win, but he came out with a mask of being different from the other politicians people were getting tired of, so it got people really excited... Filled with "Hope"
People knew Hillary, and liked her, but it was a bit "I don't know". You know I actually did like her too, I felt she was strong and all, like McCain, McCain though I respect his service, and everything, the way his campaign was run made me not care for him really. Romney was meh, and I couldn't stand the others. That interview Hillary had with O'Reilly helped her, and it made me like her even more, but it was too little too late, had she had that interview way earlier I think it would have made a difference.. Ultimately wasn't too thrilled with anyone myself, to be honest.
RadWe'll see what happens, all of the scandals people tried to throw on her, the ethical crap, all dismissed so it can't be something like that. So far I take her word for it, why she is resigning, we'll see what happens from here on with her.
Excellent. Now tell us the reason she said she was resigning.
Rad_d81 saidLike I said, though I don't agree with everything she's said, I'm honest enough to see what I like in her, and what I wish more politicians would be like. Most of you in here who hate her, are phony, as well as the elites out there, because if all was the same with her, except she was a Democrat, and some Republicans/Conservatives were saying sexist stuff about her, and bashing her, you ladies would all have your panties in a knot.
And she's hot heh ^_^
BULL FUCKING SHIT!!! The moment she was announced as the Veep nominee, I said out loud, as well as others, that it was a stupid strategy. We saw it then what it quickly came to be: a freaking joke. Her nomination was announced AUG 29th, which prompted this thread that started it all on RJ: http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/272938/
Rad_d81 said, "And yes I can sit back here and say Franken is a joke, I stand by that, based on what I've learned of him over the years, we'll see how he does, but don't be surprised if he does a less than stellar performance. Based on where he comes from, and what he's been about."
BTW, we're still waiting to hear what exactly you base this impression on. And still you can't back it up.
I just hope she's retiring to a quiet lake somewhere with her family. But somehow, I suspect that the pathetic freak show is going to keep limping along.
So defenders of Franklin state why he is good,I don't know anything about him or how he is a good public figure,you say someone is'nt allowed to call Franklin a joke but not defend him.So state your case,myself the way the whole process went down in that race did'nt seem right but it's not my state so I don't care but those that think he's goods give prove not just bitching at someone that says he's not.If you are educators then educate don't bitch.As for Palin I'm not sure why she thought this was a good move other then a sincere wanting to maybe spare her family but if it was a move foe higher office it's a exstream gamble but it's her's to make.
Tiller66 saidSo defenders of Franklin state why he is good,I don't know anything about him or how he is a good public figure,you say someone is'nt allowed to call Franklin a joke but not defend him.So state your case,myself the way the whole process went down in that race did'nt seem right but it's not my state so I don't care but those that think he's goods give prove not just bitching at someone that says he's not.If you are educators then educate don't bitch.As for Palin I'm not sure why she thought this was a good move other then a sincere wanting to maybe spare her family but if it was a move foe higher office it's a exstream gamble but it's her's to make.
No I want to hear it in your words not directing me to some web site b/c that might mean you belive other wise it's point less but of course that might mean that you have a good future in politics
Tiller66 saidNo I want to hear it in your words not directing me to some web site b/c that might mean you belive other wise it's point less but of course that might mean that you have a good future in politics
How about these words: I like Al Franken. I like his platform. I even donated to his campaign, even though I couldn't vote for him. What more do you want? Post your answer in this thread where it really belongs: http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/573132/ To paraphrase Franken's politcal points in order to put it in my words is just a semantics argument. I'm not about to engage in that.
What Rad fails to do in blasting Franken, is tell us what Franken said or did when we asked, or even post a weblink or video of what Franken said or did that gives him reason to feel the way he does. That's all. Those of us who disagree with Rad are calling BS on it because he hasn't cited his claims at all and appears to play partisan, unlike his claims of non-partisan. The only thing Rad and some other RJers don't like about Franken is how he uses comedy and humor to put down Republicans and conservatives, which they fall into that category, unbeknownst to Rad. So anyone who feels that Franken isn't good for the country feel that way because they find themsleves on the other side of Franken's jokes.
RadWe'll see what happens, all of the scandals people tried to throw on her, the ethical crap, all dismissed so it can't be something like that. So far I take her word for it, why she is resigning, we'll see what happens from here on with her.
Excellent. Now tell us the reason she said she was resigning.
Who knows, I never said I knew why she was resigning, I just said I'll take her word for it, basically if until something comes out to where we say " Oh no wonder why she resigned" meaning if there was some huge ass scandal.
So far as she was saying, she's been spending most of her time defending herself from the hateful lunatics. Its been costing money, money she doesn't have, and she feels its taking away from her concentrating on doing her governing thing. As for the accusations, from the lunatics, they've all been proven to be false, even wasteful, but ultimately its costing her too much money to defend herself.
SOOOOOOOO as I said, which seems to have gone over your head, we'll see what happens, that's what she says, and I'll be fair and take her word for it, until I hear/see otherwise.
Rad_d81 saidLike I said, though I don't agree with everything she's said, I'm honest enough to see what I like in her, and what I wish more politicians would be like. Most of you in here who hate her, are phony, as well as the elites out there, because if all was the same with her, except she was a Democrat, and some Republicans/Conservatives were saying sexist stuff about her, and bashing her, you ladies would all have your panties in a knot.
And she's hot heh ^_^
BULL FUCKING SHIT!!! The moment she was announced as the Veep nominee, I said out loud, as well as others, that it was a stupid strategy. We saw it then what it quickly came to be: a freaking joke. Her nomination was announced AUG 29th, which prompted this thread that started it all on RJ: http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/272938/
Rad, you're pathetic!
Dude put the pipe down, and pull your brain out of your ass.
This is exactly why I don't stay hung up on one side, because the people who do, always sound like morons. I bet you have absolutely no idea how dumb you just sounded, I wasn't talking about her politics, nor her governing abilities in my first post, I was talking about her as a person, what I saw in her, that had gotten many excited, but also made many hate her. Damn they are right when they say liberalism is a mental disorder haha.
AS FOR HER POLITICS, AND GOVERNING....
When she was nominated as VP, I felt McCain was only doing so to try to get excitement, and go for the women. It felt rushed, and she was not only improperly prepared to go out there, but wasn't handled right, whoever was their campaign adviser needs to be whooped, cause he dropped the ball big time. Though she wasn't ready for the national stage, what she was doing in her own state had the people pretty happy, as her approval ratings were quite high.
But despite her flaws, when I actually started to learn about her, and hear her speeches, instead of going by what others say, and sucking it up as truth, or letting my disagreements with her politics hate her, like pathetic morons such as yourself do, who cannot think for themselves.
I saw a politician, that didn't seem like everyone else out there, and she speaks from the heart, which as I said I wish more politicians would do. This is part of what got people excited about her, especially with the way shit has been the past 8 years, and going.
Though I don't agree with all of her politics, the way people disrespected her, or hated her so much, was/is absolutely disgusting, pathetic, dishonest, cowardly, and low class, and yes I throw you, and others like yourself into that category.
Knowing she was hated by the elites on both sides, and having wisdom, something you seem to lack. I also know that if she was a Democrat coming from the same environment, self made, hard working, down with the people, woman, and a bunch of Republicans jumped on her, and we had comedians and "reporters" saying the things that have been said about her, the left, and especially the fake woman's movement groups would have their panties in a knot, as would the typical pms no common sense gays such as yourself.
You want pathetic, take a long look in the mirror pal, because you certainly are.
coolarmydude saidRad_d81 said, "And yes I can sit back here and say Franken is a joke, I stand by that, based on what I've learned of him over the years, we'll see how he does, but don't be surprised if he does a less than stellar performance. Based on where he comes from, and what he's been about."
BTW, we're still waiting to hear what exactly you base this impression on. And still you can't back it up.
No I think you're the only one waiting.. I assume you're a grown man who is I hope intelligent enough, and most of all HONEST enough, to go and do a little research about Franken, the things he's said, and where he stands politically, and ask yourself questions, and think I know it might be hard for you, but you gotta try dude.
Let me tell you something about "speaking from the heart." On January 24th, 2008, I returned back to the US from a 13-month deployment. One of the first things I had to do upon returning was to get my car out of storage. As soon as I drove off from the storage facility, my fuel light came on. So I went to the gas station and saw the price was $2.98 per gallon. That didn't phase me so much until I filled up my car and it was over $33! I couldn't believe it. The total amount floored me. After I gathered my thoughts, I began to get angry and asked myself, "what's the point of physical security if we can't have financial security?"
You can chastise me all you want and pretend that I don't know anything or that I follow whatever the latest liberal talking point is, but the truth is that my experiences at home and abroad give me real credibility than just posting on these forums. I post with a passion and I have no regrets about it, even if I call you pathetic or let my wrath out on others when it comes to politics. My experiences ranging from a Catholic schoolboy, choir-singing, altar server to an Eagle Scout Cajun Coonass to being a homosexual Soldier with eyes wide open to the world stage and seeing all the injustices at home and in the world leaves me a tad bit more aware of what is really going on than the sum total of the Republican/conservative ideology. Perhaps more than a "tad bit", but who's counting? So we can go round after round with semantics and whatever, but the question always boils down to, can you back your claims? What do YOU bring to the table of discussion?
coolarmydude saidIn other words, you want me to find the scoop that you claim is there so that you can say, "YEP!" That's fresh! Point the way, poindexter.
Not at all.. You assume too much, and always make yourself look like the first 3 letters of the word ^_^
Someone like myself, who doesn't like the nut bags, and either side, and knowing where Franken comes from, and what he's said, and his pretty liberal politics, too liberal for me. To me he's a Joke, to someone like yourself, who is obviously pretty damn liberal, you love him, doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. He's not someone I'd vote for, because I find him to be a Joke.
I also remember saying lets see how he does, sure I think he's a joke, but lets be fair and see him work, hey maybe he's changed, some people do, maybe he's not his old hateful, obnoxious self, maybe he'll keep that contained, again we'll see, but going from what I know of him though I won't t be surprised if he does a craptacular job, based on where he's coming from. I used to hear his crazy little ass on what was that radio show again, oh yeah Air America.
"One underlying theme in Palin’s remarks was that many ethics complaints have been filed against her on issues ranging from her alleged attempts to get her former brother-in-law fired from the state troopers to charging Alaska for her children’s travel expenses.
"According to the about-to-be-ex governor, fighting all this negativity has cost the state “thousands of hours of your time” and $2 million “to respond to ‘opposition research.’ ” But now this is all water under the bridge. Every single unfair charge has been dismissed. (“We’ve won!”) And now that the battle is over and the time/money has been wasted, Palin is going to leave her job in the name of “efficiencies and effectiveness.”
“I cannot stand here as your governor and allow millions upon millions of our dollars go to waste just so I can hold the title of governor,” she said."
I love that. I'm qutting to save the taxpayers the millions my legal defense cost -- even though they've already paid it. Huh?
I've never tuned in to Air America or listened to his radio programs. What kinds of things did he say? And answer in this forum: http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/573132/
jprichva saidThis is not a good recommendation for anyone hoping to be elected to higher office. Can't you see the ads now? 'Sarah Palin couldn't be bothered to finish the job the people elected her to do', etc.
I COMPLETELY disagree. This is the responsible thing to do while seeking higher office.
Then by your reasoning, President Bush should have resigned during his first term, so he could run for reelection in 2004. (Of course, then it technically wouldn't have been reelection, since Cheney would have been President) And the first President Bush should have resigned the Vice Presidency before running for President in 1988.
Your argument doesn't stand, and it isn't backed by US political history, with examples of serving incumbents running for different offices, or the same office, since the founding of this country.
Yeah and God forbid we make a "change" in the way we have always done things right? Ug I thought after this election all the politic chat would be gone with it.
coolarmydude saidTo Rad and others who NEED to hear this:
Let me tell you something about "speaking from the heart." On January 24th, 2008, I returned back to the US from a 13-month deployment. One of the first things I had to do upon returning was to get my car out of storage. As soon as I drove off from the storage facility, my fuel light came on. So I went to the gas station and saw the price was $2.98 per gallon. That didn't phase me so much until I filled up my car and it was over $33! I couldn't believe it. The total amount floored me. After I gathered my thoughts, I began to get angry and asked myself, "what's the point of physical security if we can't have financial security?"
You can chastise me all you want and pretend that I don't know anything or that I follow whatever the latest liberal talking point is, but the truth is that my experiences at home and abroad give me real credibility than just posting on these forums. I post with a passion and I have no regrets about it, even if I call you pathetic or let my wrath out on others when it comes to politics. My experiences ranging from a Catholic schoolboy, choir-singing, altar server to an Eagle Scout Cajun Coonass to being a homosexual Soldier with eyes wide open to the world stage and seeing all the injustices at home and in the world leaves me a tad bit more aware of what is really going on than the sum total of the Republican/conservative ideology. Perhaps more than a "tad bit", but who's counting? So we can go round after round with semantics and whatever, but the question always boils down to, can you back your claims? What do YOU bring to the table of discussion?
Get over yourself dude, and toughen up!
You're not the ONLY person who's gone through some shit. I enlisted at 17, when it was time for war (I was 22), I got sent over, I been over there since the war started. And as we both know, I've seen some very very fucked up shit, aside from having friends of mine killed in front of me. I also saw some beautiful things, which would be hard for some people to imagine. When I'd come home, and hear bitter, hateful, selfish, self absorbed, people who have no idea what is really going on, because they are so hung up with their little pathetic ideologies, yeah it would piss me off. When I'd take a look at the news, and would see these "reporters" talking about shit I experienced over there in ways, that are completely untrue, only to support, and make their silly little ideologies feel good, yeah I'd get pissed off. I remember in one post, where I had said how things are on the road to good, how change was slowly taking place, there was some asshole who was all like "yeah whatever" and I had to laugh, I was like what in the fuck do you know, have you been there? You don't hear or see other than what the news shows, and what you read from bloggers,/ morons who share your pathetic views.
When I came home things weren't easy for me, had to deal with what every other young soldier was dealing with, when they came home from war, I had even lost the mother of my kids in a car accident, so I was pretty damn depressed. I got through it, my faith is part of what helped me, and I can say not only have things gotten real damn good, but I feel stronger than I ever was. I was never going to be one of those guys who bitch and moan about the things I experienced in war, that's war, don't enlist in the military if you're not prepared to deal with what could, and will happen when war comes.
Didn't like where I saw the country going, and I still don't like where I see it going, I'm one of those kind of guys who actually will get up to do shit, instead of sit back and bitch about shit like so many of the harpies in here seem to do. I still help out in my community, raise money to support vets, and families of those who lost someone to the war. I come from a family where so many have been through so much, and often at a very young age. I've always been the type of person to talk to people who've been there done that, when I wanted to know about something, I'd also go and try to experience shit for myself, so I could see, and make up my own mind, this is part of why I had joined the marines.
I don't think I'm better than anyone else, in any way, and certainly don't feel I have a right to be "more passionate" about what I post in here, being that our "leaders" actions effect all of our lives, and we all have issues important to us. But the stuff I've seen you type man, I'm sorry you sound like one of the many morons I'd hear when I'd come home, like some of these other morons on here, who've never been there, and or don't know a damn thing about anything, because they are stuck with their little ideologies, that limit them. I've had some of my buddies I've served with gay and straight look at some of the shit you'd post and they'd laugh man, to them you sounded like one of those soldiers that couldn't deal, so you bitched up, and then bitch about everything else.
I'm sure you've gone through shit, with your sexuality and all, many gay guys do, especially if they come from a religious home, or are in the military,and its disgusting, and shameful. you've run into ignorant fools, who know nothing about what it is to be noble, honest, understanding, classy, and most of all, nothing about god, so because of the anger you developed because of those moronic,hateful, cowards you align yourself to another extreme, and sound like the moronic hateful cowards on that side, instead of having the courage, honesty, and wisdom to seek out people, who are truly good, you do what's easy, throw the anger back, keep the hate/division going, childish..and I find that kind of behavior to be weak. Your hate and anger makes you no better than the ones who hate you. If you go around thinking ALL conservatives are this, ALL republicans are that, ALL Christians are that, then that makes you a simple minded misguided ignorant fool, just as much as it would the man who thinks ALL gays are this, or ALL liberals are that ect. I've run into some very horrible people in my life, who've said, or wanted to do some nasty things to me, and even my kids, but I don't go around with a bitter hateful attitude. I've had people tell me they wished I died over in Iraq, were happy that the people I knew died, and thought my brother deserved to be injured. That's the crazy left, I don't think all liberals are like that though. I've had "Christians", and hardcore righties say some nasty shit to me as well, or just shit I didn't agree with.. Hardcore right, is that the way all Conservatives, are? Nope, as a real Christian, I know that those people who called themselves Christians, didn't truly have the heart for it, because their words and actions reflected things, many things, god is not about.
I'm not here to get people to agree with me, or like me, I give my opinions on certain topics, based on my experiences. I know a lot of gay guys are very liberal, (key word VERY) doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out, you're not gonna find any one on this site who is a hardcore fag hating rightie unless they are fake, and only come on here to spew hate. You, and people like you are so hung up on one side, anyone who doesn't agree with it, you deem em as some rightwing nut bag, no they aren't, they just don't agree with your too far to the left lunacy. I get shit loads of emails from guys on here thanking me for standing up to some of the lunatics on here, because not all gay men are bitter, hateful, intolerant and one sided which looks to be the case with many on here.
Last, what you wrote, didn't have the effect on me you were hoping, because you exhibit the typical behaviors (by the things you say) of a bitter gay person... Not moved.
My head hurts everytime I hear her speak. I am always hoping that some coherent and clarifying statement is made to at least give me reason to hope the GOP has rediscovered their true calling and historic roots, but no....you get the doublespeak , caca, bullshit that just sprays the airwaves with confusion....and I'm not even a Republican! I wonder what she can see from her house windows now, that she isn't telling? God, help us if we have to put up with more of her "folksy, home-spun" colloquialisms.....Archy Bunker was right..."DINGBAT!"...
Sporty_g saidMy head hurts everytime I hear her speak. I am always hoping that some coherent and clarifying statement is made to at least give me reason to hope the GOP has rediscovered their true calling and historic roots, but no....you get the doublespeak , caca, bullshit that just sprays the airwaves with confusion....and I'm not even a Republican! I wonder what she can see from her house windows now, that she isn't telling? God, help us if we have to put up with more of her "folksy, home-spun" colloquialisms.....Archy Bunker was right..."DINGBAT!"...
Oh, you've just failed to apprehend the genius of her incoherence. It allows her fans to believe she said whatever they want to hear.
Not that it was a causative factor, but Sarah Barracuda's resignation followed Vanity Fair's unflattering portrait of her. It's online:
I don't know what she's running from^H^H^H^Hfor now, but i'm Damned glad she's done running off with the mouth in her speech. It confused me. Was this a memoirs speech, a tacit acceptance of why there are so many scandals, investigations, and accusations against her, or some bramble trail ramble though alice in wonderland?
As to that trailer court she bought - she had to give it back to the RNC after the photo op was done since it was actually their money she spent
actually i'm rather used to her saying one thing and doing another, or saying one thing ... and saying one other thing which quite contradicts the first
FirefighterBlu3 saidactually i'm rather used to her saying one thing and doing another, or saying one thing ... and saying one other thing which quite contradicts the first
Maybe its because all politicians seem to be doing that more and more these days.
FirefighterBlu3 saidsadly. i think my head would explode if i ever met an honest politician
Everyone's probably would, but there are also many corrupt people in that world, who as you know are only for themselves, and want to keep things a certain way, and would smear, and tear down that honest politician, and as I've said before most people are void of all common sense, honesty, the ability to think for themselves, and ask themselves tough questions. and have no good judgment, some may even be aligned with the ideologies of those doing the smearing, and keep it going in the blogs, and its the same as usual.
That's not gonna change until people start wising up, by doing away with those ideologies that limit, cause division, and stunt/kill the growth of real solutions that will put, and keep the country on the right path.. Those Ideologies that limit and divide allow the corrupt, and apathetic, to keep business as usual, and both sides do it.
Yeah this guy is the perfect example as to why its kinda useless to be so stuck to one side.
I'm not gonna sit there and thinking all republicans are this and that, and thinking all that is wrong is the fault of republicans. Democrats are to blame as well, both parties have politicians within them, that only care about themselves, and both also have good people in them as well.
Right now the Democrats have the ball, and right now not everyone is happy, but the fair ones are sitting back watching, but ultimately anger towards both parties have been rising. If you're only stuck on one party, whether your stuck supporting it, or stuck hating it, you'll have no idea what's really going on.
Does this guy have the courage, and honesty to write a little letter to the Democrats, and pretty much side with the people who are sick of the childish politics, both letters would pretty much tell BOTH parties to get their acts together.
I guess I am old fashioned. If you say you are going to do a job, you do it until it is completed. Or, if you have some specific reason why you are walking away from your responsibilities you say it clearly....at the time you are leaving your position.
Otherwise, if she was to go for President, who is to say she won't walk away from that responsibility as well 2 years into it?
silverfox1 saidI guess I am old fashioned. If you say you are going to do a job, you do it until it is completed. Or, if you have some specific reason why you are walking away from your responsibilities you say it clearly....at the time you are leaving your position.
Otherwise, if she was to go for President, who is to say she won't walk away from that responsibility as well 2 years into it?
Yep, I agree. We'll see whats really going on though.
The writer, Frank Schaeffer, has it exactly right. There are times in history when you can say that both sides are wrong or contributed equally to the problems we're facing. This isn't one of those times. The problems are solely of the right's making, and not just the Bush years---the seeds for this disaster were set by Reagan.
Only an idiot would subscribe to the bullshit "both sides are to blame" idea these days. The Democrats have been too weak in resisting, but they were not the architects of this disaster.
maybe the demons she had removed some years ago came back? so it wasn't her talking, it was the demon(s). she had better hope the removal had a warranty on it.
there are crazy people in both partys, this country has digressed from its founded course. sadly, its " we the peoples" fault, because we don't want to be bothered with governing ourselves, and we enjoy being entertained. which means entertaining people, who, are sponsored by special interests looking for a "face" tend to get elected.
sarah palin is a prime example of this, though, there are others on both sides of the aisle.
The writer, Frank Schaeffer, has it exactly right. There are times in history when you can say that both sides are wrong or contributed equally to the problems we're facing. This isn't one of those times. The problems are solely of the right's making, and not just the Bush years---the seeds for this disaster were set by Reagan.
Only an idiot would subscribe to the bullshit "both sides are to blame" idea these days. The Democrats have been too weak in resisting, but they were not the architects of this disaster.
Correction, only a blind idiot would sit back, and subscribe to the "this party is bad, and the other is good" bullshit.
People who don't have their heads in the sand, or up their asses like you seem to have, know what's really going on, and have grown tired of the bullshit from both sides, in case you haven't realized (which I'm sure someone so limited, and bitter as you has not) not everyone is exactly happy with either party.
And yeah I do agree with Frank, the Republicans fucked themselves, but lets also talk about why people, even some Democrats aren't exactly too thrilled with the way things are headed now... If things turn out to get real bad, worse I should say, who will you blame? You won't be able to blame the Republicans because they have no power right now, this is why I say people with your type of mentality, are irrelevant.
JP said nothing about the democrats being the goodies vs the republican baddies. He doesn´t buy into that for a second. Like the article he was saying that the present disaster is largely the fault of the neocon politics of the last 8 years, with roots further back in the identity of the "right" in the USA.
JP said nothing about the democrats being the goodies vs the republican baddies. He doesn´t buy into that for a second. Like the article he was saying that the present disaster is largely the fault of the neocon politics of the last 8 years, with roots further back in the identity of the "right" in the USA.
Bunnykins.. haha that's cute.
I never said HE thinks democrats are goodies, unfortunately there are a lot of people out there who seem to think all Democrats are bad, and all Republicans are bad, which is not true, there are good politicians in both, but there are bad in both, kinda seems like the bad get more play though.
Though people with his kind of mentality, as I said are irrelevant, because they limit themselves.
And I'll be the first to say, a lot wasn't done right in the last 8 years, that gave birth to a lot of mess we have today. BUT The things I see going on now, seem to be setting us up for an even bigger mess in the future, and I'm not the only one who feels that way.
The reason I like to read frank schaeffer is he helped build the conservative right wing movement so he knows exactly how it operates, and calls it like it is.
It's kind of early to even be thinking about 2012 if you ask me. A great deal can, and probably will, happen in the next few years that will likely change the whole landscape and scenario from what it may look like now.
CuriousJockAZ saidIt's kind of early to even be thinking about 2012 if you ask me. A great deal can, and probably will, happen in the next few years that will likely change the whole landscape and scenario from what it may look like now.
yes who knows how far down the barrel the GOP will have to go. So far Ensign, Standford, Palin, McCain, Newt, what other losers are they going to float by 2012.
CuriousJockAZ saidIt's kind of early to even be thinking about 2012 if you ask me. A great deal can, and probably will, happen in the next few years that will likely change the whole landscape and scenario from what it may look like now.
yes who knows how far down the barrel the GOP will have to go. So far Ensign, Standford, Palin, McCain, Newt, what other losers are they going to float by 2012.
Don't forget Bobby Jindal. Oh man, one televised speech and his star plummeted to the depths. You don't even hear his name mentioned anymore as a possible candidate and he seemed like he was the front runner just a few months ago.
Don't forget Bobby Jindal. Oh man, one televised speech and his star plummeted to the depths. You don't even hear his name mentioned anymore as a possible candidate and he seemed like he was the front runner just a few months ago.
Don't forget Bobby Jindal. Oh man, one televised speech and his star plummeted to the depths. You don't even hear his name mentioned anymore as a possible candidate and he seemed like he was the front runner just a few months ago.
I'm sure we will see a number of new republicans and "has beens" being floated in the next several years. My belief is that Palin will now be a member of the latter group.
The GOP is near breakdown and needs to collapse totally before a serious "right" can reemerge in the USA. One that ACTUALLY favours small government (forbidding gay marriage on the basis of some people´s religion is BIG government), one that favours a real free market (in over 90% of the country private insurers have a monopoly). Those are real options to a more traditional "left" position, that have intellectual viability. The present right is simply embarrassing, mentally slack and jingoistic. They run off the fumes of war mongering and evangelicalism. The tank is empty. It´s tragic.
Lostboy saidThe present right is simply embarrassing, mentally slack and jingoistic. They run off the fumes of war mongering and evangelicalism. The tank is empty. It´s tragic.
I agree. And although I'm one of those here expressing what are generally viewed as liberal ideas, in support of Democrats, in reality my response is situational to the US political landscape of today.
What I really am is pragmatic, as a great many Americans are. We are a country founded on 2 underlying questions that go back to our colonial roots: what's fair, and what works.
Americans have always wanted the fair answer, not the ideological one. But strict ideology is what Republicans have mistakenly adopted, a rigid right-wing conservative viewpoint that doesn't provide for flexible, practical and humane considerations.
We also always want to seek what works, what is the common sense solution to a problem. Don't bother us with your theories and philosophies, just make it happen and work. Here again, the Republicans have most gone astray in becoming the obedient tools of wealth & business, but the Democrats are guilty to some extent, too.
What Americans want are solutions, not rhetoric. It is our national trait, and any political party that doesn't satisfy it is failing to deliver.
in the UK improvements in supply of health care are hampered by a doctrinaire refusal to allow even the discussion of private/public partnerships. It´s absurd. The right has a serious intellectual case to make (not saying if I agree with it or not), but it is not being made in contemporary USA debate.
Well I do find it amazing that media sources keep talking about the "fade out" of the republicans.. how many years ago were the democrats in the same boat. I can remember when it was suggested that democrats wouldn't win any more presidential elections.
That short sided analysis never takes into account changes in demographics or future events. I'm sure the GOP didn't think about hispanics and their shift.
I believe its a cycle and republicans will reemerge again... but with some major differences.
I kind of feel sorry for her that she is leaving midterm .. I thought she was tougher than that 
