Queers for Kucinich?

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    Nov 22, 2007 7:40 PM GMT
    Dennis Kucinich Hhttp://www.dennis4president.com/ is the only guy besides Mike Gravel to truly support LGBTQAI equality. Granted he will not win but I will vote for him in the New York primary to show my support for his ideas unless the race is very close between Clinton, Edwards and Obama. In that case anyone but Hillary, please.
  • Hunter9

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    Nov 23, 2007 12:25 AM GMT
    he's the only candidate that wants any real change... he's got my vote
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    Nov 23, 2007 1:04 AM GMT
    I'm waiting for the mother ship (flying saucer) to come back and tell me it's ok to vote for him.
  • waltex

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    Nov 23, 2007 1:32 AM GMT
    DK IS THE MOST INTELLEGENT, ENLIGHTENED, INFORMED, EDUCATED CANDIDATE FOR PRES IN 2008.

    EVERYONE SHOULD LEARN ABOUT THIS MAN AND LISTEN TO WHAT HE HAS TO SAY . . . . .

    IF THIS MAN BECAME PRESIDENT, THE US WOULD ONCE AGAIN BECOME THE BEACON FOR FREEDOM AND VALUES.
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    Nov 23, 2007 2:09 AM GMT
    I would like the idea of him as RP's running mate. Rep/Dem ticket would be kinda odd but I can live with that.

    On edit: link below ops mine didn't work.
  • metta

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    Nov 23, 2007 4:03 AM GMT
    hmmm...is this it?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptpyO-A9z5s


    Yes, I like him as well, for several reasons, including his support of GLBT issues, national health care, and the environment.
  • cacti

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    Nov 23, 2007 5:19 AM GMT
    Hunter9he's the only candidate that wants any real change... he's got my vote

    You must not be paying attention to all the candidates.
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    Nov 23, 2007 5:46 AM GMT
    There's a reason Dennis has zero support... his nutty ideas! He's going nowhere, and America is better for it. Sorry, but it's true.
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    Nov 23, 2007 8:58 AM GMT
    Dennis Kucinich's nutty ideas include respect for all people including those who are glbt.. the guy's just great on all the issues and that kind of nuttiness just doesn't sell. I don't know which democrat I'll have to vote for, I hope it isn't Hilary or Obama because I don't think either of them will challenge the elites who are destroying our democracy..
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    Nov 23, 2007 9:51 AM GMT
    I've been a fan of Kucinich ever since the day when he was the "boy mayor of Cleveland", which is like 30 years ago. He was smart and progressive then, and is he now. Too bad he's got so little support.
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    Nov 23, 2007 1:41 PM GMT
    twisterguy what are these "nutty ideas" universal health care? equal rights for LGBTQAI people?

    I like what Dennis said about his run for congress he said he had to run 5 times in order to win, he is only on his second attempt for presidency. It will take a lot of work to get Americans to open their mind but maybe just maybe down the road he will have a chance.
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    Nov 23, 2007 1:55 PM GMT
    universal healthcare is nutty enough
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    Nov 23, 2007 1:56 PM GMT
    I would rather think 50 million uninsured people in one of the worlds richest countries is rather nutty.
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    Nov 23, 2007 2:08 PM GMT
    I would think if you want insurance you work for it? I guess I don't see why people should be allowed to immigrate illegally then have free insurance for all their kids.

    When your already in debt there is no reason to keep going further in the hole. Universal healthcare is just a way for Dem's to get a quick vote.
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    Nov 23, 2007 2:31 PM GMT
    Seemingly, the people of Cleveland who lack health insurance did not immigrate in the recent past, but are merely *poor*. They are poor because they received a bad education, that the jobs they were trained to do no longer exist due to sweeping structural changes in the economy, and because they have faced in times past considerable prejudice in obtaining new jobs.

    We have here some of the finest hospitals in the country, and a lot of people who cannot afford to use them.

    Dennis Kucinich is very decent man who apparently believes in what he's saying. More power to him!
  • Laurence

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    Nov 23, 2007 2:36 PM GMT
    The healthcare subject has been debated elsewhere on RJ.

    But is it really too far-fetched in a rich country like the US that something like free healthcare be available to all.

    Trance, I hope that you are never down on your luck and you're without insurance, and in need of medical treatment.

    Lozx
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    Nov 23, 2007 3:17 PM GMT
    Then that would be my fault Lozx. But using the pity argument if pictures of frowning kids is not a good method to promote a policy, its just an emotional appeal.

    Putting the nation further into debt isn't a good goal. We are a society where we get what we earn. People in Cleveland at a base level have only themselves to blame. They put into office the leaders who allowed jobs to leave their state. Offering free healthcare just gets quick vote but it doesn't give anyone jobs and it won't help the economy. Its like giving free ice cream, makes the recipient feel good but doesn't help the situation.
  • Laurence

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    Nov 23, 2007 3:48 PM GMT
    Well free healthcare can't really be compared with free ice-cream - people don't die from lack of ice-cream.

    I just can't see why a country like the US, with all it's wealth can't provide healthcare for poorer deprived sections of society (I think it could be called charity...those who can afford it giving to those who are struggling).

    As I see it, as a life-long socialist, people are too concerned with how much they have and are not concerned enough with helping other people.

    Lozx
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    Nov 23, 2007 3:54 PM GMT
    I can see your point. Its sad many people do not have access to healthcare, but life never is fair.

    We are not a socialist nation, we are a nation where personal liberty comes before national best interest. Or at least we were founded like that.... having drifted somewhat between gun laws and the patriot act.

    Healthcare come down to personal rights. If I want healthcare I'll pay for what I want, not pay for everyone and accept what the government gives me.
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    Nov 23, 2007 3:55 PM GMT
    I can see your point. Its sad many people do not have access to healthcare, but like never is fair.

    We are not a socialist nation, we are a nation where personal liberty comes before national best interest. Or at least we were founded like that.... having drifted somewhat between gun laws and the patriot act.

    Healthcare come down to personal rights. If I want healthcare I'll pay for what I want, not pay for everyone and accept what the government gives me.

    In all fairness I'd choose Kuch as my second favorite candidate. Nobody is perfect and I can over look a few things in goal of change icon_cool.gif
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    Nov 23, 2007 4:04 PM GMT
    That's a pretty pathetic combination of an appeal to fear "OMG! National Debt!" and a false Dilemma "We have to go into debt in order to fund universal health care", Trance.

    The economic problems of the Midwest were utterly intractable by state-led initiatives, and most probably even at the federal level. Notwithstanding this, Cleveland at the moment is doing a great lead to improve itself and create jobs. But there is only *so* much and *so* quickly that such things can proceed. In the meantime, there are many people here who undeservedly have been abandoned by their richer countrymen.

    And the saddest fact of all is that a large proportion of those people without health insurance are nonetheless are employed. The rest of us benefit from their contribution to the economy but do not dignify them with the security that we enjoy.

    The problem is complex and subtle, and very likely the establishment of an equivalent of the NHS would not be a good solution: it is however best debated at a fine-grained level and in the absence of jingoistic and empty rhetoric.
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    Nov 23, 2007 4:11 PM GMT
    Just why you should vote for Paul Tim! icon_razz.gif

    Remove the power from on high and let your state decide how to deal with healthcare!
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    Nov 23, 2007 4:11 PM GMT
    Okay... I'll elaborate:

    * Kucinich is currently proposing to make it illegal for ALL American civilians to purchase, sell, transfer, or possess handguns (although he carried one himself when he was mayor of Cleveland!)

    * He favors the repeal of the USA Patriot Act, and with it, many of the government's strongest terror-fighting capabilities. He would replace this with a cabinet-level "Department of Peace"... interesting.

    * Proposes the introduction of a "universal" health care system- an idea that is loaded with so many flaws of its own.

    * Same thing on education- proposes a "universal" system.

    * He would end the war on drugs- gives little explanation there.

    By the way, this guy also recently traveled to Syria, and appeared on their state-run television network. Of course, Syria is a known state-sponsor of terror. Kucinich also once claimed to have seen a UFO.

    I'm not saying he's a bad guy, just a little "out there!" icon_lol.gif
  • cacti

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    Nov 23, 2007 4:40 PM GMT
    Trance, do you really feel that it is the people's(not just free-loaders, even the ones 'working hard enough' to pay for it) best interest to have our health care system privatized? Especially in a country with an obvious modern history of corporate stranglehold?

    I would like to know why it makes sense to let a corporation(with a legal obligation to its shareholders to make money) run our public health system. That obligation(and to a much greater degree, desire) to make a huge profit is almost always going to come at the expense of those on the receiving end of the services.

    Sure you could say universal(please let's not call it FREE) health care is more of a socialist idea. Do you also think that the fire departments, police, military(oops) need to be privatized because they're socialist? Why should the health and well being of our nation be any less important of a commodity?

    To me this is a no-brainer, but if anyone can give me good answers to all those questions I will reconsider my stance on universal health care...
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    Nov 23, 2007 5:03 PM GMT
    * Kucinich is currently proposing to make it illegal for ALL American civilians to purchase, sell, transfer, or possess handguns (although he carried one himself when he was mayor of Cleveland!)

    Well people do change their mind about things, every candidate has changed positions, its called evolving. The constitution does not protect your right to own a gun unless you are part of an organized militia.

    * He favors the repeal of the USA Patriot Act, and with it, many of the government's strongest terror-fighting capabilities. He would replace this with a cabinet-level "Department of Peace"... interesting.

    The Patriot Act has been misused and abused to illegally spy on millions of Americans, big brother is watching your phone, your net, your library books, and where you are going. Read 1984 and be scared.

    * Proposes the introduction of a "universal" health care system- an idea that is loaded with so many flaws of its own.

    And the current system does not have flaws? Ie America being one of the unhealthiest Western countries and 50 million uninsured? Universal health care is not perfect but works nicely in Canada, England and other places.

    * Same thing on education- proposes a "universal" system.

    I don't get what you mean here, we already have a public school system. But we should use that to include universities as well.

    * He would end the war on drugs- gives little explanation there.

    Marijuana should be legalized, we should not have 2 million pot smokers in jails filling spaces real criminals can be in. Pot is no more dangerous than alcohol and if used carefully can be a wonderful and even healthful substance. Kucinich believes we should end the war on drugs and decriminalize drugs making it so we can help people with addictions as opposed to punish them. This system works well in other countries.

    By the way, this guy also recently traveled to Syria, and appeared on their state-run television network. Of course, Syria is a known state-sponsor of terror. Kucinich also once claimed to have seen a UFO.

    We need to negotiate with our enemies and hear them out in order to create peace. There are 2 sides to a story and we need be willing to negotiate.

    Many people claim to have seen UFO's. 14% of Americans have and just because you have not had that experience does not mean you should discount it. Its kinda like straight people who say being gay is a choice, when you are gay you know it isn't.