the appeal of drugs

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    Jul 05, 2009 5:05 AM GMT
    What is this appeal that drugs and alcohol have with people?

    I really don't get it, many many people I know who "party" often tell me its not as fun without drugs and alcohol, but, it makes me wonder what the appeal is?

    I've been told its about letting go of control, being more relaxed..

    when I've seen from the outside looking in isn't nearly as attractive as what people make it out to be..
    I've also seen people completely freak out and start doing crazy shit to there body.

    I had to jump on a guy years ago who thought a creature had clawed its way into his arm and he was about to stick a knife into him and try and get it out, amazing everyone around him who was doing the same shit was just watching him freak out and thinking it was the coolest thing, when I jumped the guy everyone got shitty with me, I had to knock the bugger out cold and call the ambo's

    I've gotten drunk before, but its a rare occasion, usually I don't like my self in the morning for it either.

    So what is it that makes this so appealing?
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    Jul 05, 2009 5:14 AM GMT
    It's really none of your business.
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    Jul 05, 2009 5:14 AM GMT
    plastic saidIt's really none of your business.

    and you can go get fucked but you don't see me being rude about it now do ya...
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    Jul 05, 2009 5:21 AM GMT
    Not the way to win friends and influence people, Plastic.


    Back to the topic at hand. I have never understood it either, tank. I am all about self control and the mere hint that a duck is not in line makes me crazy sometimes. I have known people that do the heaviest of drugs and they always say it was just a way to deal with what is going on. From my point of view, it is more like a NOT to deal with what is going and the irony that seems to be lost on them is the problems that they were trying to escape are inevitably the first things that knock on their door when the high is gone. And on top of that, all that money to get high is gone. Doesn't make sense to me. And the alternative is not much better really-to fit in? Probably why I walk to the beat of my own drum....
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    Jul 05, 2009 5:39 AM GMT
    its just spychological and to some extent it does affect your perception about the world around you and your ability to "enjoy" and feel pleasure. Personally I do not see the point, I can have fun and be all crazy without any extra "suplements". I believe everyone has the ability to enjoy themselves and have an amazing time without taking any drugs nor getting drunk, but thats not something any of us can change, these users are the only ones with the ability to realize and change their ways to percieve enjoyment, forcing a preference will just not work.
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    Jul 05, 2009 5:42 AM GMT
    charlitos saidforcing a preference will just not work.
    ah I'm not looking to force my own preference, I just want to understand it better..
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    Jul 05, 2009 5:44 AM GMT
    plastic saidIt's really none of your business.


    don't you have some gucci baby seal fur bag to buy instead of picking on my liltanker icon_evil.gif
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    Jul 05, 2009 5:45 AM GMT
    There is a difference between "appeal" and "addicted" and the slope is slick between them. I think there are a number of contributing factors that control the appeal of, and the addiction to, drugs and alcohol ....starting with genetics, cultural acceptance, availability, personal beliefs and situations, personal stress, peer pressure, and any number of other factors, that by themselves may be meainingless, but added together, synergize into a reason or appeal. I think the biggest is that of relaxation in social situations....alcohol is the "great social lubricant"...and I'm sure too many gays and straights have had a set of "beer goggles", that they would never have considered before imbibing..... Both drugs and alcohol impare and squelch out your "voice of reason"..or Conscience.....and let you do what you normally wouldn't. From my personal experiences...all have their "fun zone". Staying in that fun zone is hard to do for very long....I have relented on my partying ways as it is just too hard to recover, and too expensive to do...
  • Delivis

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    Jul 05, 2009 5:47 AM GMT
    I have never understood it either. I kept asking kids when i was in high school why they smoked, they had no idea, it was just the thing to do. Peer pressure. Looking cool. Even as a kid it seemed like a stupid idea to me.
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    Jul 05, 2009 5:48 AM GMT
    calibro said
    plastic saidIt's really none of your business.


    don't you have some gucci baby seal fur bag to buy instead of picking on my liltanker icon_evil.gif

    calm ma sexy lil man.. he can pick on me if he wants icon_smile.gif it's just his way
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    Jul 05, 2009 5:49 AM GMT



    Excesses are escape, and sometimes peer pressure..

    ..oh sure, fun for some until an accident or the viper of addiction sinks its fangs in.





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    Jul 05, 2009 5:52 AM GMT
    I've never done drugs but as far as alcohol goes it gives you the illusion that you are having fun even if you aren't. I used to be a major alcoholic and when I quit I went to parties with the same people and it was not even remotely fun when sober. You can be doing absolutely nothing and think you are having fun. Yes, you look retarded to anyone that isn't obliterated but you think you are having a good time.
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    Jul 05, 2009 5:52 AM GMT
    lilTanker said
    charlitos saidforcing a preference will just not work.
    ah I'm not looking to force my own preference, I just want to understand it better..



    no sorry I didnt imply you were, but thats just what happens sometimes. I have never been drunk but my friends got me stoned once with this hashed brownies and I totally ate them thinking it was chocolate cake. I seriously had no clue of how weed smelled like. Anyway, it was fun in weird way I would be saying all this crazy shit I had no control on but I hated the fact that I knew I was so stoned that I just couldnt fully control myself, I wanned it to go away I was pretty much asking myself for how Fucking long is this gonna last. So right there you got an example. Probably for someone else, that feeling of loosing control provokes a totally different reaction, many people love this feeling and thats why they get into it because they just like it. However since I dont like it I cannot tell why others do.
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    Jul 05, 2009 5:53 AM GMT
    Ive never had much trouble having fun while sober.
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    Jul 05, 2009 5:53 AM GMT
    It depends on what it is. For alcohol you can think about it this way: everyone has boundaries, and alcohol pushes them farther out, making things more fun but also more risky. The hallucinogenic type of drugs offer experiences some enjoy but I would not recommend for most, and not even for myself more than maybe once or twice a year. The draw there is uniqueness, not necessarily pleasure although usually it's good. You'll be surprised how many of the things we take for granted as 'givens' are just mental boxes we've put ourselves in, and these types of substances do a good job of letting you have experiences and mental states that are just not possible without them, and they're really hard to describe (like trying to describe 'red' to a blind person). If you don't enjoy new and strange experiences regardless of whether they are good or bad I don't recommend them. Freakouts are a danger but hopefully you do that stuff with a crowd you can trust and someone sober.

    As far as your other drugs (cocaine, heroine, other opiates etc) i've never really tried or plan to try but clearly I gather they make you feel really good. Maybe someone else can chime in.
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    Jul 05, 2009 5:55 AM GMT



    Oh geez Charlitos, your friends!!! UGH!


    Here: return the favour with a nice tray of hot delicious EX-LAX brownies, and remember to use the whole box.


    - kindly older men
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    Jul 05, 2009 6:01 AM GMT
    meninlove said


    Oh geez Charlitos, your friends!!! UGH!


    Here: return the favour with a nice tray of hot delicious EX-LAX brownies, and remember to use the whole box.


    - kindly older men


    oh man, my friends are EVIL! They knew I would have never tried it by free will but they did know I was a chocolate whore and they put the brownies on the table and I was literally like "omg, theres barely not chocolate brownies AT ALL only 6 pieces what the hell I gotta start eating before they come or they'll be all gone in a minute!!!! "....yes i think I learned my lesson and im taking your wonderful suggestion btw, they are not gettin away with this one....icon_twisted.gif
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    Jul 05, 2009 6:02 AM GMT
    Well, I've traveled down that specific path before and I was at least smart enough to turn my back and walk away from this before it became a habit.

    To this date I have yet to feel a stimulus as strong as a party drug like pot, coke, or poppers, or even all of them combined. Never anything like crack or meth, but still drugs...

    The crash is faar worse then any high you could ever get. I did have fun, I'll be honest, but I think it was more the people whom I was with more than the drugs that were fun. But then again, I've had some terrible experiences while I was high, too, just from me tripping out.

    Coke will sober you up within a quarter of an hour no matter how drunk you are. I know. It's difficult to explain unless you've experienced it.

    Pot and poppers just loosen you up to the point where you become someone you're not and everything you do is really fun, but it's only fun because your mental state is severely disabled. I am a serious person, and I became a comedian and funny guy with them. But again, it was someone I was not.

    I realized that the people who had introduced me into that had no place in my future and so I got away from that. I was not going to end up in college for six or seven years.

    It's best (I think) not to judge those people who are lost into things like that, they will each get theirs within time and that will be enough. Be it having lost years of their life which they will never get back, to missing the train on perhaps their most important opportunity in life. Only they can realize this.
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    Jul 05, 2009 6:05 AM GMT
    Yeah some people have huge problems growing up that only a mind altering drug's can fix to take away the pain and make them forget. People who where fortunate enough to have a good up bringing, well rounded life and strong will never really had this problem. But then again not everybody is lucky I'm guessing you don't understand because life has not been that hard or your will is strong and you can survive without a crutch but not everybody is built or raised like this. I'm not say that a hard knock life = drugs but most of my friends with a shitty childhood are fucked up still to this day, they don't care about the damage it causes just the high at the moment. Not to mention peer pressure and the downward spiral affect soon people get so into drugs to them its the only way to cope with there lives i.e Reality.
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    Jul 05, 2009 6:09 AM GMT

    There is certainly no "appeal" to drugs as most people see them differently.

    In my own opinion, theres a difference between the recreational non-addictive use of drugs and alcohol and then the abusive addiction to drugs and alcohol.
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    Jul 05, 2009 6:12 AM GMT
    I have terrible social anxiety. I tend to be extremely uncomfortable in places/situations where there are a lot of people around. Alcohol helps me overcome these anxieties and just let go. Call me pathetic or weak, but I simply can't socialize in crowded places without alcohol.

    As for drugs, I've never touched them, so I can't comment.
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    Jul 05, 2009 6:31 AM GMT
    I quit drinking and using any drugs over 20 years ago, but I did come of age when the hallucinogenics -- LSD, mushrooms, etc. -- were still popular. I even went to Esalen and did a couple of workshops with Terrence McKenna, the guru of psychedelic shamanism. Oh, and I did a few sessions of ayahuasca.

    My experience with the drugs was illuminating. The degree to which the "illumination" was constructed by the cultural values of the time, I'm not real sure. But my first LSD "trip" was among the most revelatory experiences of my life, really opening -- to use Huxley's term --- a new door of perception. I think Rune's description of the value describes my own experience.

    I never had any interest in party drugs but I did drink enough that I felt I had to quit.

    I think you need to put on your tie-dyed thong and go pick you some mushrooms, LilTanker. Put some sitar music on you Ipod and dance with Lord Krishna.
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    Jul 05, 2009 6:33 AM GMT
    Extra medication for all!

    Pillz-E actually sums it all up rather nicely. No, seriously he does.

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    Jul 05, 2009 6:38 AM GMT
    well, liltanker, i need my caffeine fix every so often. unfortunately, there are so few places around where i currently live that can actually pull a decent espresso shot, that it really doesn't matter. but sometimes, i just need a boost that only the joy of caffeine can bring.

    as far as what i believe your intent for the question was, well, i believe it may be a matter of convenience. your question reminds me of way back when one-on-one fighting video games like mortal combat were first en vogue. i had friends who would devote hours upon hours on "mastering" certain "moves" in the game, and brag about their achievements as if they actually performed the act themselves.

    i always thought that if they were going to devote SO much time in mastering a martial arts based video game, wouldn't it be better to try and master the martial art itself instead? (at least, that the path that i chose.) yah, sure i can't necessarily project energy blasts out of my fists, but i can pretty much be my own live-action video game without the fancy colors and effects. and i know of those who are SO much better at it that i ever will be.

    i think it is the same thing with drugs and other narcotics. there are ways of naturally altering your brain chemistry to achieve certain "elevated modes of perception", but that take a fair amount of self-discipline and time to master such states. most people do not seem willing, able, or aware of such things. it is much easier to ingest, smoke, or inject an external substance to "quicken the pace".

    while i understood that path, and have walked down it from time to time (GO COFFEE! ...and yes, i do like a good pint...). i always saw it as inherently self-limiting. why rely on such an artificial means of altering brain chemistry, when you yourself can affect a more permanent change through other disciplines like sports, exercise, meditation, music, other creative endeavours, or martial arts? in this regard, i concur and most notably admire charlitos for his perspective.( and when i say "perspective", i actually mean "body", and when i say "body", i truly mean "mind")

    however, i can do without the presence of "polymers in popular usage", when they serve no discernible purpose other than to highlight artless simplicity and uncouthness.
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    Jul 05, 2009 6:48 AM GMT
    i can direct music videos in my head if i smoke some pot, have amazing orgasms, wake up with a calm happy feeling, and it's not addictive. if you don't smoke daily there is hardly any harm. that's just one of the many points to be made about this. i mean, really?