God's greatest gift to humanity -- the dishwasher

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    Jul 05, 2009 2:11 PM GMT
    Well we had our little Fourth of July gathering yesterday, just 9 of us as I had anticipated, with a number of other friends being out of town on vacation. My grilled steaks with my own BBQ sauce were well received, and of course my partner's food contributions were wonderful as always, while guests brought some additional appetizers and desserts. Everyone stayed nearly 7 hours, with no interest in leaving to watch fireworks, which we could see and hear well enough from our balcony.

    And cleanup consists of nothing more than placing things in the dishwasher and then putting them away. I can't imagine life without one, and I certainly wouldn't attempt a party otherwise. I suppose for a picnic-style gathering we might consider using disposable paper products, and yesterday we did use paper napkins for once, but there's still a ton of cooking utensils to clean.

    Some friends of ours have full-time cooks and maids, but interestingly they're all women who use them; no gay male friends of ours have more than housecleaners, as we do, too. Every guy & couple we know takes care of their own cooking & kitchen cleaning, other than the floor. I wonder if that's a gay thing, to be self-sufficient in the kitchen?

    In any case, this is my tribute to the dishwasher, that makes modern civilized living possible, and removes a major obstacle to entertaining at home. By mid-morning today you'd never know we had a party here yesterday, and the clean-up was effortless. And when you get to be our ages, that's a very big deal. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jul 05, 2009 2:28 PM GMT
    Personally, I find chores like washing dishes and mowing the lawn relaxing. The hands are busy while the brain can putter along with whatever it wants to comtemplate.... or not. .... icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jul 05, 2009 2:59 PM GMT
    Caslon11000 saidPersonally, I find chores like washing dishes and mowing the lawn relaxing. The hands are busy while the brain can putter along with whatever it wants to comtemplate.... or not. .... icon_biggrin.gif

    Strangely I do, too, at least regarding mowing the lawn. I find it very soothing, with pleasant memories of my youth, when I begged to be allowed to cut the grass, as one more sign of my growing up when I was judged finally capable of handling the power mower.

    And I love the smell of newly mown grass when it's lush and thick, and even the roar of the engine is enjoyable to me. I take pride in keeping my "line" straight as an arrow, and one of my special treats used to be doing the lawn for my BFs. I bought a top-of-the-line Lawn Boy that I would use when I was living with one, and helped another pick virtually the same model when I was dating him, for whom I also did much of the lawn chores.

    He has large lawns with impressive gardens that really require a rider, but he thought walking was healthier, and wouldn't use a lawn service. He was very fussy about his grounds, so I devised precise mowing patterns that enhanced the views of the gardens, which he just loved. I wonder who's doing his lawn work now? [SIGH]
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    Jul 05, 2009 6:40 PM GMT
    Dishwasher? That's what a boyfriend is for icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jul 05, 2009 6:51 PM GMT
    calibro saidDishwasher? That's what a boyfriend is for icon_biggrin.gif

    LOL! Yeah, but what if you ARE the boyfriend?
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    Jul 05, 2009 6:56 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa said
    calibro saidDishwasher? That's what a boyfriend is for icon_biggrin.gif

    LOL! Yeah, but what if you ARE the boyfriend?


    That's why couples have open relationships, isn't it? icon_wink.gif
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    Jul 05, 2009 7:00 PM GMT
    Yes, the dishwasher is in reality man's best freind ..

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    Jul 05, 2009 7:02 PM GMT
    Growing up, my 3 brothers and I had to do the dishes after dinner every night. We'd rotate the different stations and do our part as quickly as we could. As the oldest, I was first to move out of the house and would you believe that my Mom got a dishwasher the year I moved out!!!!!? I called her out on it.
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    Jul 05, 2009 7:04 PM GMT
    Apt topic, just tirnied it on and have that content attitude now. Had my partner's mom staying with us, and his brother and sister with another brother in the area. The latter brother does minimal entertaining, so we had everybody over for a cookout yesterday and breakfast today. Used paper plates last night, but got to turn the diswasher on today. Of course, we wash everything before we put it in the dishwasher. You too?
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    Jul 05, 2009 7:07 PM GMT
    The dishwasher is the most amazing invention.

    I also love washers and dryers....and I would LOVE to have a set inside my place. For now, I'll head outside to enter the basement and share the W/D with the neighbors in my building.

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    Jul 05, 2009 7:11 PM GMT
    I must concur. I don't know what's going to happen to me when I have to move back to a place where there isn't one.
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    Jul 05, 2009 7:13 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa saidWell we had our little Fourth of July gathering yesterday, just 9 of us as I had anticipated, with a number of other friends being out of town on vacation. My grilled steaks with my own BBQ sauce were well received, and of course my partner's food contributions were wonderful as always, while guests brought some additional appetizers and desserts. Everyone stayed nearly 7 hours, with no interest in leaving to watch fireworks, which we could see and hear well enough from our balcony.

    And cleanup consists of nothing more than placing things in the dishwasher and then putting them away. I can't imagine life without one, and I certainly wouldn't attempt a party otherwise. I suppose for a picnic-style gathering we might consider using disposable paper products, and yesterday we did use paper napkins for once, but there's still a ton of cooking utensils to clean.

    Some friends of ours have full-time cooks and maids, but interestingly they're all women who use them; no gay male friends of ours have more than housecleaners, as we do, too. Every guy & couple we know takes care of their own cooking & kitchen cleaning, other than the floor. I wonder if that's a gay thing, to be self-sufficient in the kitchen?

    In any case, this is my tribute to the dishwasher, that makes modern civilized living possible, and removes a major obstacle to entertaining at home. By mid-morning today you'd never know we had a party here yesterday, and the clean-up was effortless. And when you get to be our ages, that's a very big deal. icon_biggrin.gif


    any good housekeeper cleans the kitchen, including the dishes in the sink.

    I actually find this comment "I wonder if that's a gay thing, to be self-sufficient in the kitchen?" to be incredibly offensive.
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    Jul 05, 2009 7:29 PM GMT
    chungo44 saidI actually find this comment "I wonder if that's a gay thing, to be self-sufficient in the kitchen?" to be incredibly offensive.

    How so, that I may learn? I certainly didn't mean to give offense to fellow gays, but if I inadvertently did, please call me on it with your explanation.

    I merely have observed that gay men seem more at home in a kitchen than straight men, and that even among my fairly rich gay friends, none of them engage cooks, except for very large functions.

    Again, my apologies if I offended. icon_redface.gif
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    Jul 05, 2009 7:36 PM GMT
    He may be a housekeeper.

    I dunno either.
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    Jul 05, 2009 7:42 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidGrowing up, my 3 brothers and I had to do the dishes after dinner every night. We'd rotate the different stations and do our part as quickly as we could. As the oldest, I was first to move out of the house and would you believe that my Mom got a dishwasher the year I moved out!!!!!? I called her out on it.

    Well a few years after I had left home, I bought my parents a dishwasher, in 1974 I think it was, and installed it myself (I'm such a lesbian!). And they never used it.

    They said their few daily things didn't make a full load, but I tried to explain that they merely needed to add items over several days, and run the dishwasher every 2nd or 3rd day, or whatever. They certainly had enough dishes and tableware to last a week for the 2 of them living alone.

    But they were locked into the idea that today's dishes had to be washed TODAY, and there was nothing I could do to break them of that habit. So the dishwasher collected dust, and they always had that old-fashioned wire dish rack next to the sink.

    I love my late parents a great deal, but incidents like that were also lessons I learned. As I now enter late middle-age myself, I try very hard to be aware of natural tendencies to hang onto ingrained habits that have become obsolete and outdated. I'm not completely successful, but I do really try. icon_confused.gif
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    Jul 05, 2009 7:44 PM GMT
    I lived in a duplex in Maine without one and had to wash dishes by hand for three years.

    Never again!

    Having a dishwasher even beats having a washer/dryer in the apartment.
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    Jul 05, 2009 7:44 PM GMT
    I have a dishwasher. But I never use it. I think they're cool if you're washing a lot of cups or glassware. But for cleaning plates, utensils, pots, pans, etc, I just feel they won't do a good job at removing leftover foods.
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    Jul 05, 2009 7:49 PM GMT
    I love my dishwasher and I love the fact that it's a constant puzzler as to how to fill it in the best way. I get such a buzz when I can finally switch it on.

    And they are more economical than washing by hand as they only use a cup full of water.

    I would have been a Stepford Wife in another life.
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    Jul 05, 2009 7:52 PM GMT
    Awesome! Come to my house.

    Caslon11000 saidPersonally, I find chores like washing dishes and mowing the lawn relaxing. The hands are busy while the brain can putter along with whatever it wants to comtemplate.... or not. .... icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jul 05, 2009 8:04 PM GMT
    xrichx saidI have a dishwasher. But I never use it. I think they're cool if you're washing a lot of cups or glassware. But for cleaning plates, utensils, pots, pans, etc, I just feel they won't do a good job at removing leftover foods.

    When I moved in with my partner 2 years ago, I found his dishwasher was broken. A surprise to him, since he never used it. DUH!

    So I said I'll buy a replacement, and his only requirements were that it be black, be easy to use and have a sanitizing cycle. I checked Consumer Reports and found the best rated performer that sanitized, as well as the most reliable.

    Then I shopped locally and found the best price. When it came time to buy the detergent, he was insistent on a gel over a powder. I remembered Consumer Reports dissing gels some years ago and preferring powders, which I had previously used, but I went ahead and checked their latest ratings. Sure enough, a gel was now tops, and that's what I bought, pleasing him.

    It's the most amazing dishwasher either of us have ever used. Everything comes out absolutely spotless. I do use a detergent scrub wand on encrusted cookware first, and rinse off heavy food, but otherwise everything goes in as-is. It does a better job and more cheaply than I could do by hand, plus the stuff is sanitized. Hard to argue with that.
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    Jul 05, 2009 8:13 PM GMT
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    chungo44 saidI actually find this comment "I wonder if that's a gay thing, to be self-sufficient in the kitchen?" to be incredibly offensive.

    How so, that I may learn? I certainly didn't mean to give offense to fellow gays, but if I inadvertently did, please call me on it with your explanation.

    I merely have observed that gay men seem more at home in a kitchen than straight men, and that even among my fairly rich gay friends, none of them engage cooks, except for very large functions.

    Again, my apologies if I offended. icon_redface.gif


    the way it was phrased was highly stereotypical and also because you made the comment right before about women using cooks, it came across as highly misogynistic.
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    Jul 05, 2009 8:13 PM GMT
    As a kid, I had a severely disciplinarian step-father, who taught me to wash dishes "the Navy way," as he put it. I washed dishes in this manner ever since. It's nicely mindless, especially if you have a sink that stands under a window. I used to have a nice view of the mountains from the kitchen at my old place in Soledad Canyon.
    I must admit, I always thought dishwashers were the work of the Devil.
    I was proud of my way of getting my dishes really clean (when I chose to wash them, of course).
    But, this house my man and I are living in, he bought us a new dishwasher. I really don't like them because they use caustic chemicals to clean the dishes, and if I end up living off the grid, I'll need to re-use the gray water in the garden, and those chemicals are tough.
    But, this new dishwasher uses less than five gallons of water per load, and I can't touch that with my hand-wash method, so I succumbed, and now I can't imagine having to do them by hand like I used to.

    I feel like a traitor.
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    Jul 05, 2009 8:20 PM GMT
    chungo44 saidI actually find this comment "I wonder if that's a gay thing, to be self-sufficient in the kitchen?" to be incredibly offensive.


    oh pumpkin, it´s not hard is it?

    "I must concur. I don't know what's going to happen to me when I have to move back to a place where there isn't one."

    You´ll cope. I have for the last 4 years.
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    Jul 05, 2009 8:27 PM GMT
    zeebyaboi saidBut, this new dishwasher uses less than five gallons of water per load, and I can't touch that with my hand-wash method, so I succumbed, and now I can't imagine having to do them by hand like I used to.

    I feel like a traitor.

    Don't! Even Consumers Union recommends them, and they are very green. You actually use less energy overall, and less water as you state, with a dishwasher for a comparable amount of dishes compared to using the hand wash method.

    Plus your dishes can be sanitized, with a machine officially rated for that purpose, something you can never do by hand. Until someone comes along with a conflicting claim, modern dishwashers are superior to hand washing in every respect, including being green.
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    Jul 05, 2009 8:39 PM GMT
    chungo44 saidthe way it was phrased was highly stereotypical and also because you made the comment right before about women using cooks, it came across as highly misogynistic.

    Then I certainly apologize for the clumsy and unclear way in which it was worded. I merely found it counter-intuitive, and perhaps comical, compared to established cultural stereotypes, that wealthy women of my acquaintance used cooks, and equally wealthy gay men did not. And I am glad that such stereotypes are evidently untrue, though I did question whether gay men alone are the exception, compared to straight men. Again, my apologies if I offended. icon_redface.gif