Americans aren't that prude

  • beaujangle

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    Jul 07, 2009 11:30 AM GMT
    It's often said that Americans are prude but I wonder whether it is really true. I was just chatting with a UCLA student and he said that he and some of his dormmates walk around naked in their dorm (8 guys share a dorm with common kitchen, etc), even watch porn together and j/o!.

    I can't imagine that happening here.....

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    Jul 07, 2009 12:36 PM GMT
    Oh, yeah. Let's take the evidence of an online chat with one college guy reporting on the unverified behavior of him and a subset of eight dorm mates and then extrapolate that to 350 million people of varying ages, living under different conditions, and spread across a continent. ... You might want to recount those legs, Aristotle ... icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jul 07, 2009 1:10 PM GMT
    Male social nudity has become unpopular in the US in recent decades. I am old enough to have personally experienced the "before & after." If relaxed attitudes are returning like we once enjoyed then I welcome them, but I just have not seen any significant evidence it's true as this story suggests, or as the thread title states.

    I observe the guys in locker rooms who won't shower, or who change their clothes under a towel. And we all know that nude male swimming mostly stopped in the late 1970s.

    What's not widely known is that attitudes were once so permissive for men that naked team practice swims could be attended by spectators of both sexes in some locales in the US & Canada, and some competitions were even held suitless. And that sometimes female swimming instructors, although suited themselves, would sub to a class of naked teenage boys in high school, right through 12th grade (age 1icon_cool.gif. I'm not aware of cases of that at college level, however.

    Male nudity was not a big deal except in inappropriate public settings, even in front of women if the circumstances called for it, and shyness certainly never existed among the men themselves. Undo modesty was seen as an unmanly feminine trait, and to be shy among other men was interpreted as a potential gay sign, ironically somewhat the opposite of what we have today.

    Only a homo was at risk of sprouting a stiffie around other naked men, so if you acted uncomfortable & shy in a locker room, you might be one. Sure boners could happen to anyone, but they very rarely did, and real men knew how to control them. Or so the accepted wisdom held.

    But nowadays US guys flinch in horror at the prospect of merely sharing an open gang shower. UCLA dorms may be the exception, assuming this report is true, but I don't think it's representative of the rest of the US at present. Though I do wish it was, because I'd prefer a return to that earlier time when men didn't act like blushing girls.
  • calibro

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    Jul 07, 2009 2:56 PM GMT
    Umm.... I went to UCLA. None of our dorms have kitchens. This guy is feeding you shit for you to jack off to.
  • hallyhallo

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    Jul 07, 2009 3:12 PM GMT
    for me as an european, I have to say from my experiences so far that americans are prude in terms of nudity. Starting from showering in the gym to being naked at the beach. If you ever come to Germany I'd recommend to visit the English Garden in Munich to have a glimpse at how europeans view nudity icon_wink.gif
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    Jul 07, 2009 3:31 PM GMT
    Um....there are people on this thread who have said "Americans are prude". Grammatically speaking, it should be "Americans are prudes" or "Americans are prudish" (depending on the context and sentence structure). I'm not trying to be mean, and I'm not an English major, but bad grammar is like nails on a chalk board to me. Sorry icon_redface.gif
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    hallyhallo saidfor me as an european, I have to say from my experiences so far that americans are prude in terms of nudity. Starting from showering in the gym to being naked at the beach. If you ever come to Germany I'd recommend to visit the English Garden in Munich to have a glimpse at how europeans view nudity icon_wink.gif

    When I lived in West Berlin in the 1970s it was not uncommon to see naked sunbathers on the grass of public parks in the summer. And there was a small lake where nude swimming was permitted, though the US Army specifically prohibited its soldiers from joining in.

    The European tourist business is the main reason why an officially-sanctioned nude beach was opened here on the South Florida East Coast in 1994. I've been going there since 1996, and it's common to hear foreign languages being spoken on the beach, especially German to my experience.

    Many of the women merely go topless, however, while their male companions are fully naked, which I always find an amusing contrast. Perhaps tracking with my sense that men have traditionally had more latitude than women in this regard, even if the US is presently experiencing a Christian-inspired prudery phase at present.
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    Jul 07, 2009 3:38 PM GMT
    beaujangle saidIt's often said that Americans are prude but I wonder whether it is really true. I was just chatting with a UCLA student and he said that he and some of his dormmates walk around naked in their dorm (8 guys share a dorm with common kitchen, etc), even watch porn together and j/o!.

    I can't imagine that happening here.....



    And if you believe this shit I would like to talk to you about a great deal on a bridge I'm trying to sell. You're being fucked with by this guy. You probably have been steering the conversations in a sexual direction and the guy doesn't appreciate it. I have done the same thing myself time and time again. When I find someone's questions annoying, I make up titillating stories. It's then fun to gradually escalate the outrageousness of the story and see just how far you can take it before the guy stops believing you.

    Example: When I visited Hawaii a few years back, I went to the gay.com chatrooms a few weeks before. One guy was persistent in asking me how big my dick was, if I was top, if I wanted to fuck him, blah blah blah. I started out with hints and vague references to former fictitious sexual partners. I eventually told him I couldn't top because my dick was to big. I could almost hear his manic squeal of delight all the way across the ocean. After a week of occasional chats I had him convinced that I was traumatized because I once maimed a man with my giant cock to the point where he had to use a colostomy bag for the rest of his life. His reaction was to ask me my flight number so he could meet me at the gate.icon_lol.gif
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    Jul 07, 2009 3:43 PM GMT
    I would say americans are prude in the straight world. Very very hypocritical church ladies...
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    Jul 07, 2009 3:44 PM GMT
    GuerrillaSodomite said
    beaujangle saidIt's often said that Americans are prude but I wonder whether it is really true. I was just chatting with a UCLA student and he said that he and some of his dormmates walk around naked in their dorm (8 guys share a dorm with common kitchen, etc), even watch porn together and j/o!.

    I can't imagine that happening here.....



    And if you believe this shit I would like to talk to you about a great deal on a bridge I'm trying to sell. You're being fucked with by this guy. You probably have been steering the conversations in a sexual direction and the guy doesn't appreciate it. I have done the same thing myself time and time again. When I find someone's questions annoying, I make up titillating stories. It's then fun to gradually escalate the outrageousness of the story and see just how far you can take it before the guy stops believing you.

    Example: When I visited Hawaii a few years back, I went to the gay.com chatrooms a few weeks before. One guy was persistent in asking me how big my dick was, if I was top, if I wanted to fuck him, blah blah blah. I started out with hints and vague references to former fictitious sexual partners. I eventually told him I couldn't top because my dick was to big. I could almost hear his manic squeal of delight all the way across the ocean. After a week of occasional chats I had him convinced that I was traumatized because I once maimed a man with my giant cock to the point where he had to use a colostomy bag for the rest of his life. His reaction was to ask me my flight number so he could meet me at the gate.icon_lol.gif




    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! You're the BEST!!!!!!


    Oh and beaujangle, you were fed a crock o'shit!
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    Jul 07, 2009 3:51 PM GMT
    Verrücktes Nacktrennen in Dänemark ... mit Fotos ... icon_lol.gif

    Die dänische Kleinstadt Roskilde steht jedes Jahr im Juli Kopf. Am ersten Wochenende treffen sich bis zu 100.000 Musikfans, um in der Nähe der Hauptstadt Kopenhagen das legendäre Musikfestival zu feiern. Eine Attraktion neben Rock-Stars [...Coldplay, Nine Inch Nails, Pet Shop Boys und Slipknot...] auf der Bühne ist dabei das traditionelle Nacktrennen.

    http://www.rp-online.de/public/article/panorama/ausland/728861/Verruecktes-Nacktrennen-in-Daenemark.html


  • coolarmydude

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    Jul 07, 2009 3:56 PM GMT
    It sounds like some Americans are more gullable than prude. icon_lol.gif
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    Jul 07, 2009 3:56 PM GMT
    Another West Berlin anecdote from the 1970s: the US Army command there had a physical fitness program where soldiers voluntarily completed certain individual feats over time, which were recorded and could lead to various personal awards. One of the requirements involved swimming.

    One day I drove a fellow Officer over to an indoor swimming pool, which had been constructed for the 1936 Berlin Olympics, for her to do the swimming portion. But there was a scheduling mix-up, and a group of Berlin civilian firefighters were there for their own training, since Berlin has many waterways and lakes, and water rescues and fire emergencies dealing with the water are not uncommon.

    The only problem was, when we entered the pool deck, the whole male fire class already there was stark naked. The American moderators of the test were also there, and had evaluated several male US soldiers without a problem, as the conflicting groups had diplomatically agreed to divide the pool in half for their separate purposes, despite the scheduling foul-up.

    The question was put to the nude firefighters, would they object to a female using the pool with them? They all said no. Would the female US Army Officer object to these men being naked? No, she replied, and so her test was conducted, which she passed, BTW.

    For my part, I merely enjoyed the sight of all these hunky naked Nordic men, every one of them uncut and in spectacular shape. Perhaps I should add that the female Officer was my wife at the time. icon_exclaim.gif
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    Jul 07, 2009 4:03 PM GMT
    They're even building new high schools without showers, because nobody uses them. According to the oregonian (newspaper), even the football teams go right from the game to the dance without a shower. I suspect that dance styles that keep your partner at arms-length or greater are on the increase as well.
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    Jul 07, 2009 4:16 PM GMT
    mindgarden saidThey're even building new high schools without showers, because nobody uses them. According to the oregonian (newspaper), even the football teams go right from the game to the dance without a shower. I suspect that dance styles that keep your partner at arms-length or greater are on the increase as well.



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  • tbeaux

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    Jul 07, 2009 4:17 PM GMT
    I wish that Americans were more open to nudity...if I could walk around nude in public I would. I've noticed it from my American friends how prude they can be. Just showing the slightest bit of skin is like a sin to them....(catholics icon_rolleyes.gif ) Besides the (I don't know how to spell it) Puritanical history of America, I think that the reason is, is because of men especially don't want to be considered gay. It kind of makes sense. Way back yonder, (this is ignorance talking) People were not really aware so much that this many homosexuals could be living. Now that homosexuality is at an all time acceptance rate (even though we'd like it to be much higher, let's face it, 40 years ago this shit would never have been seen. But since being gay is more open, and there is a strong oposition to it, men dont' want to be considered it.


    does that make sense ?
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    Jul 07, 2009 4:20 PM GMT
    xflipx saidI wish that Americans were more open to nudity...if I could walk around nude in public I would. I've noticed it from my American friends how prude they can be. Just showing the slightest bit of skin is like a sin to them....(catholics icon_rolleyes.gif ) Besides the (I don't know how to spell it) Puritanical history of America, I think that the reason is, is because of men especially don't want to be considered gay. It kind of makes sense. Way back yonder, (this is ignorance talking) People were not really aware so much that this many homosexuals could be living. Now that homosexuality is at an all time acceptance rate (even though we'd like it to be much higher, let's face it, 40 years ago this shit would never have been seen. But since being gay is more open, and there is a strong oposition to it, men dont' want to be considered it.


    does that make sense ?



    it does makes sense. That's what i hear from most of the people why they don't use the gym showers. Or why they go into the sauna in shorts.
    well, if you grow up like this, it is hard to change..
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    Jul 07, 2009 4:21 PM GMT
    Hell what closet are you living in?

    Americans are the most prudish and uptight group of people around next to the religious fanaticals. A lot of it has to do with the way religion is fed to us and twisted around to control and subjugate the masses.
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    Jul 07, 2009 4:54 PM GMT
    hector2009 saidHell what closet are you living in?

    Americans are the most prudish and uptight group of people around next to the religious fanaticals. A lot of it has to do with the way religion is fed to us and twisted around to control and subjugate the masses.

    I think the influence of religious fundamentalism is part of the issue, along with the emergence of gay awareness among the general public, as was mentioned elsewhere here.

    I belonged to a YMCA in 1981, and nude male swimming had recently been stopped, because the place became a "Family Center" with coed pool use. But I belonged to the extra-fee men's health club, which had an exclusive locker room area, with our own men's sauna and whirlpool hot tub that women did not enter.

    And there was this guy who would take gang showers with a towel wrapped around him, and then get into the hot tub still wearing the towel, despite a very prominent sign that said tub use had to be in the nude.

    Other members told me he was a prominent local Baptist Minister, so no one would call him on his violation. And I wondered to myself what kind of hang-ups did this guy have, and were they related to his religious beliefs. He was, BTW, only in his late 20s by my guess, and looked & acted so "gay" that I wondered about him in other ways, too.
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    I'd say more uptight. The pressure to be "masculine" is very pronounced in straight society here. 8 guys sitting around jacking off....dude, that's gay. I couldn't imagine it happening unless those guys weren't straight.

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    Jul 07, 2009 6:41 PM GMT
    GuiltyGear said
    I'd say more uptight. The pressure to be "masculine" is very pronounced in straight society here. 8 guys sitting around jacking off....dude, that's gay. I couldn't imagine it happening unless those guys weren't straight.

    THANK YOU! This male homosexual activity being promoted as homosocial is just a blatant lie and makes me lol. It reminds me of the craigslist M4M people who post "Straight guy looking to fuck another guy. Must be disc/DD free and. Remember I am straight NOT GAY"



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    Oh, yeah. Let's take the evidence of an online chat with one college guy reporting on the unverified behavior of him and a subset of eight dorm mates and then extrapolate that to 350 million people of varying ages, living under different conditions, and spread across a continent. ... You might want to recount those legs, Aristotle ...

    This.
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    Jul 07, 2009 7:15 PM GMT
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    I'd say more uptight. The pressure to be "masculine" is very pronounced in straight society here.

    Well that's true, especially where you are in Lawton, Oklahoma, where I've spent a little time when I'd come to inspect some Army Reserve units in that area. Plus I attended the Univ of OK at Norman.

    But what puzzles me, as I noted in a post above, is that the criteria for masculinity seems to have reversed from when I was young. In the past, "real" men were supposed to not give a fuck about being naked with other guys. We could all swim nude together, shower together, stand at the sinks all shaving naked together, and that was normal. No one gave it a second thought, it's what you did.

    Instead, it was considered abnormal to display any shyness around other men. THAT was the sign of a queer, not the reverse. How did this get changed? And why do we accept it?
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    Jul 07, 2009 7:29 PM GMT
    Norteamericanos estan muchisimos prude!

    The amount of sexual prudery is directly proportiate to the amount of permissible violence on all levels in US society. This of course doesn't mean US citizens are more sexually repressed than Europeans, not necessarily (depends on which "Europe" you're talking about), but it does mean that at any time of day it's permissable to turn on the tv and see/hear a man say to a man/woman "I'm going to kill you" while the converse ("I'm going to fuck you") is rare.

    Religion, slavery, gender normativity, and ethnic instability have seriously contributed to the pathological way US citizens view the body...it's beyond my wish to elaborate on this issue further now, but more info is out there.

    (As an aside, perhaps the generational difference mentioned as concerns nudity is why you can see older men strutting around the locker room naked w/o a care in the world while, unless it's a bathhouse, it's inconceivable with younger men today.)
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    The level of intelligence is a constant in the universe, but the population keeps expanding.....
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    hallyhallo saidfor me as an european, I have to say from my experiences so far that americans are prude in terms of nudity. Starting from showering in the gym to being naked at the beach. If you ever come to Germany I'd recommend to visit the English Garden in Munich to have a glimpse at how europeans view nudity icon_wink.gif


    Oh I knew I liked you. The Americans are, generally, fucked in the head when it comes to nudity. A lot of them are similar with alcohol: can´t do it without blowing a circuit.