Gay Marriage: Massachusetts sues federal government

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    Jul 08, 2009 4:59 PM GMT
    It's begun.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090708/ap_on_re_us/us_gay_marriage
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    Jul 08, 2009 5:05 PM GMT
    Sure has. Glad to see it is becoming more widely known as discrimination.
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    Jul 08, 2009 5:34 PM GMT
    Would this make it impossible for the federal gov't to ever declare laws against gay marriage as invalid because this suit upholds a state's right to define marriage? ....unless the US Supreme Court rules the whole issue unconstitutional per equal protection or something.
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    Jul 08, 2009 5:40 PM GMT
    Just about about time...

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    Jul 08, 2009 5:43 PM GMT
    Fantastic!
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    Jul 08, 2009 5:48 PM GMT
    If she want to run for Governor next year, she's got my vote.

    Obama, this is what a true "fierce advocate" does. You should take notes.

    (and yeah, I already emailed the White House on this)
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    Jul 08, 2009 5:48 PM GMT
    Caslon11000 saidWould this make it impossible for the federal gov't to ever declare laws against gay marriage as invalid because this suit upholds a state's right to define marriage? ....unless the US Supreme Court rules the whole issue unconstitutional per equal protection or something.


    We have no idea how the court will rule really. But DOMA has been unconstitutional from day one. The court could rule that the federal government has no business limiting a defined state right. It could rule that since the benefits originated on the federal level it can decide who to give them to. It is all speculation where this will go.

    But no matter what, this is a very exciting development.
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    Jul 08, 2009 5:49 PM GMT
    It amazes me that the smaller, once thought as conservative states are so progressive and instrumental in their active participation of equal rights. Then I look at my home state of California and wonder how a state that leads the nation in so many areas went so wrong in truly standing up for EVERYONE! Thank you Massachusetts! {bows his head in shame for the mess in this state}
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    Jul 08, 2009 5:50 PM GMT
    eb925guy saidIt amazes me that the smaller, once thought as conservative states are so progressive and instrumental in their active participation of equal rights. Then I look at my home state of California and wonder how a state that leads the nation in so many areas went so wrong in truly standing up for EVERYONE! Thank you Massachusetts! {bows his head in shame for the mess in this state}

    Maybe pictures from 23rd Street got back to California....just a thought ... icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jul 08, 2009 5:55 PM GMT
    Caslon11000 said
    Maybe pictures from 23rd Street got back to California....just a thought ... icon_rolleyes.gif
    Oh you are too funny! Nothing but the perfect representative of the state I was! Full of sunshine and warmth. Oh wait, it rained that day didn't it? Damn!
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    Jul 08, 2009 6:06 PM GMT
    eb925guy said
    Caslon11000 said
    Maybe pictures from 23rd Street got back to California....just a thought ... icon_rolleyes.gif
    Oh you are too funny! Nothing but the perfect representative of the state I was! Full of sunshine and warmth. Oh wait, it rained that day didn't it? Damn!

    Are you forgetting that little tizzy hissy fit at the car door... that was quite the spectacle! ... icon_eek.gif ... I am surprised we have any gay rights left at all ... icon_evil.gif
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    Jul 08, 2009 6:08 PM GMT
    Anyone with an IQ aove room temperature who actually takes the time to read the Constituttion, should realize that DOMA is blatanly unconstitutional.
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    Jul 08, 2009 6:17 PM GMT
    This is AWESOME!!!!

    And yeah, I am VERY ashamed of CA!!!!
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    Jul 08, 2009 6:24 PM GMT
    ERinVa saidAnyone with an IQ aove room temperature who actually takes the time to read the Constituttion, should realize that DOMA is blatanly unconstitutional.

    You're preaching to the choir. The issue is the conservative Justices on the US Supreme Court, not us here, and not whether or not DOMA is constitutional.

    If the Court rules DOMA is constitutional, it IS constitutional. Those conservatives will determine the issue, and how do you think they're going to decide? Pro-gay? At best the Court will split 5-4 against us, provided Sotomayor is sitting by then, and is favorable to us, which is not a given.

    What I'm interested to see is the Obama Administration brief on this, since they slammed us before on DOMA.
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    Jul 08, 2009 6:26 PM GMT
    Makes me proud to be a Masshole. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jul 08, 2009 6:43 PM GMT
    lunar1 saidMakes me proud to be a Masshole. icon_biggrin.gif


    You took the words right out of my mouth.
  • CollegeBoy

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    Jul 08, 2009 6:48 PM GMT
    I'm so amazed and appreciative to see such huge steps being taken! I can't wait to come back to the states and applaud all of the advocates that have pushed these issues higher. Mass. really is a leader here. They are the first state to legalize and keep gay marriage...is that good enough? HELL NO! "Get the federal government the hell out of our decision making" they demand! Good for them.
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    Jul 08, 2009 6:55 PM GMT
    I am a little concerned, echoing Caslon's caveat. By forcing the states' rights issue, will this ensure that Texas, Kansas & Oklahoma will always be bigoted?
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    Jul 08, 2009 7:10 PM GMT
    mickeytopogigio saidI am a little concerned, echoing Caslon's caveat. By forcing the states' rights issue, will this ensure that Texas, Kansas & Oklahoma will always be bigoted?


    They don't call Texas the "Fuck You" state for no reason lol
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    Jul 08, 2009 7:13 PM GMT
    mickeytopogigio saidI am a little concerned, echoing Caslon's caveat. By forcing the states' rights issue, will this ensure that Texas, Kansas & Oklahoma will always be bigoted?

    Those states will always be bigoted, I don't see how this could make it worse. Better to make gains where gains are possible, than worry about the places where it won't happen in our lifetimes.
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    Jul 08, 2009 7:43 PM GMT
    kinetic said
    lunar1 saidMakes me proud to be a Masshole. icon_biggrin.gif


    You took the words right out of my mouth.


    Take a few moments and write the AG to thank her for her support:

    ago@state.ma.us

    And also write your Senators and Congressman to get moving on DOMA now.

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    Jul 08, 2009 9:28 PM GMT
    mickeytopogigio saidI am a little concerned, echoing Caslon's caveat. By forcing the states' rights issue, will this ensure that Texas, Kansas & Oklahoma will always be bigoted?


    Everything's bigger in Texas.... even the bigoted assholes! Hi, G. Double-yuh!
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    Jul 08, 2009 11:46 PM GMT
    I love my state!
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    Jul 09, 2009 12:01 AM GMT
    Awesome

    I worry though aboust my state, Maine. Not becasue I want to get married here or even live here... but becase I don't want this momentum to end so soon.

    Cali was a loss. Opponents in Maine supposedly already have even signatures to challenge the gay marriage law.

    We will vote on it this Novemeber. Maine has a large elderly population and a lot of Hicks... uneducated people. Most educated young adults have left--almost like an exodus. I will follow suit as well in two years. We're gonna have a hard time I fear.

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  • coolarmydude

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    Jul 09, 2009 12:07 AM GMT
    This is unprecedented!! A state claiming the federal government is impeding the state's right to ensure equality!!!!!???? It's historically the other way around.


    icon_idea.gif Brilliant! Utter genius!! icon_idea.gif