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You believe there is UFO?
Jul 09, 2009 8:03 PM GMT
Interesting documentary film on the history channel about the UFO in Arizona. I was born and raised in Phoenix Arizona and never see any UFO here. I don't know this is really true. I know many people talk about this here in Arizona. What you guys think? We Arizonians are nuts?

Delivis Posts: 1451
Jul 09, 2009 8:17 PM GMT
Well ofcourse there are UFOs. A UFO is simply an unidentified flying object.

If what you mean is - are aliens visiting us, anally probing our red necks and their cows, and comspiring with our governments? No, all that sort of stuff is just nonsense.
Jul 09, 2009 8:17 PM GMT


Yeah, I believe. Why not? I think it's kind of silly to think that we are the only intelligent beings in the universe.
Delivis Posts: 1451
Jul 09, 2009 8:22 PM GMT
BrandonPhilip saidYeah, I believe. Why not? I think it's kind of silly to think that we are the only intelligent beings in the universe.


There are good arguments to be made that other life in the universe is extremely probable given its size.

Its an entirely different thing to say that there is good evidence to believe that they are here.
Jul 09, 2009 8:39 PM GMT
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Jul 09, 2009 8:52 PM GMT
ugh! I hope they are not real! After seeing signs you could see me with a foil cone hat and scream every 5minutes "momma momma!!!! hurry get a glass of water!!!" that movie messed me up when I was little.

To make things worse.When I went to mexico the people that lived next to us had a goat. If your smart you should figure out what I thought was out there waiting for me in the night time


But so far I havent see anything strange.
Jul 09, 2009 9:11 PM GMT
Given the vast distances of the universe, and the reports that these aliens are bipedal with our general shape, it's an improbable coincidence, and I dismiss the concept.

A possibility I do consider, however, is that aliens are our human descendants. They genetically engineered themselves into an "improved" and simplified form, and learned about time travel. It may have taken less than 1000 years from today.

So they visit us from time to time, on fact finding missions, to learn about their primitive ancestors. But they can never interact with us in a meaningful way, or that would change the course of history, and of course, themselves. At least not in the universe which they occupy. Parallel universes are a different matter, in more ways than one.
DCEric Posts: 2051
Jul 09, 2009 9:13 PM GMT
Delivis saidare aliens visiting us, anally probing our red necks and their cows.

Red necks and their cows always have all the fun.
Jul 09, 2009 9:19 PM GMT
Delivis said...are aliens visiting us, anally probing our red necks...

If that's the criteria, then I can introduce you to quite a few aliens I know personally.
mickeytopogig... Posts: 2718
Jul 09, 2009 9:30 PM GMT
This universe is frick'n huge. Odds that another part of our universe (maybe even our galaxy) has intelligent life is actually pretty good. All those trillions of galaxies with billions of stars (some old, second generation with heavy atom accretion disks) make for really good random-chance odds. Hell, if it can happen here, we know it's possible, right?

Getting to visit us though. Sheesh, that's a stretch.

The lights in Arizona, by the way, have been debunked.
Jul 09, 2009 9:31 PM GMT
Well, if life is posssible on this planet why not on another planet. They may have greater technology and visit us often but who real fucken knows.

Is the question do you believe everything our government tells us. That answer is no. Our gov says, there are no UFO's. Then you gotta doubt there answer.
Jul 09, 2009 9:32 PM GMT
I have a hard time believing that any species (even just in our arm of the galaxy) that is capable of traveling the vast distances between stars would either a) be seen by us or b) crash onto our rock.

Given the amount of stars, planets, and galaxies in our universe, I think it is pure hubris to think we are the only form of intelligent/sentient life. However, I don't think that there has been any real contact between us and any interstellar neighbors.

(Also... an advanced scientific culture would not need to rely on kidnapping and probes to figure out how we work... so don't get me started on "abductions.")
Jul 09, 2009 9:36 PM GMT
scarabboy saidI have a hard time believing that any species (even just in our arm of the galaxy) that is capable of traveling the vast distances between stars would either a) be seen by us or b) crash onto our rock.

That's why I think, IF such creatures are visiting us, it's really ourselves, coming back from the future to check us out. Otherwise, it's just a lot of imagination.
zakariahzol Posts: 2074
Jul 09, 2009 9:41 PM GMT
My housemate once told me, this earth is the only place where there living intelligence being. His reason...religion. Stuff about the world and all this universe is make for human being consumption and disposal by God. Those star and other planet is there to decorate our sky. Human being is god finest creation and the only intelligent species.

Like all religious person, his closing his mind on any possiblity of life out side of the normal one we have here. His not interested to any space exploration, any possiblity of alien because it will surely challenge his believe.

Sometimes I wish a real evidence of other planet inteligence being is capture, a smart space craft flying over to earth, just so we know we human being it nothing more than a lucky creature who take advantage of his environment to dominate this planet. God, I cant imaging how the world and all its believe will change if indeed alien is real.
fastprof Posts: 1736
Jul 09, 2009 9:44 PM GMT
As someone pointed out, of course there are UFOs....what is improbable is that these are alien craft.

I saw the History Channel "account" (don't know that I would call it a documentary). If that actually happened, it would be hard to explain how my boyfriend at the time, who lived in Phoenix, was unaware of it.

Yet, I have seen at least one thing in my lifetime that even as a cynical scientist, I have a hard time believing it has any terrestrial explanation.

As Mickey pointed out, though, the odds are HUGE that there are indeed intelligent lifeforms elsewhere. However, given the billions of years it takes live to evolve to an intelligent state, and given, then, the need to develop the ability to first invent electronic communications, and then the ability for space travel, it's nearly impossible for even their radio signals travelling at light speed to have reached us.

That their "craft" have visited us seems even more unlikely.
Jul 09, 2009 9:44 PM GMT
Red_Vespa said
scarabboy saidI have a hard time believing that any species (even just in our arm of the galaxy) that is capable of traveling the vast distances between stars would either a) be seen by us or b) crash onto our rock.

That's why I think, IF such creatures are visiting us, it's really ourselves, coming back from the future to check us out. Otherwise, it's just a lot of imagination.


But then we run into all sorts of problems with time... of course, if events in the past are changed, no one would recognize the events in the future... so I suppose all would settle again. Hmmmm... I need to go back to "Timequake" and "Terminator" for some headache-making material.
fastprof Posts: 1736
Jul 09, 2009 9:55 PM GMT
You can read about the "Phoenix Lights" here (this would be the 1997 "UFO" occurrence). The 2008 occurrence, which already has been debunked...they were flares launched in baloons, you can find out about by doing a Google Search.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/03/23/phoenix-lights-again/
Webster666 Posts: 1974
Jul 09, 2009 9:59 PM GMT
I'm highly skeptical.
I have to see it to believe it.
Holy flying aluminum pie tins !
coolarmydude Posts: 3815
Jul 09, 2009 10:08 PM GMT
I believe I witnessed an alien craft followed by an air force jet just north of Fayetteville, NC either late Sep or early Oct 2008. At first I only saw the steady, non-blinking red light move at the same velocity across the sky and thought it was the space station flying overhead. But as I began to realize that it wasn't traveling in the correct direction to be the space station, I saw a fast moving blinking light, like any other earthbound aircraft, accelerating towards the other light from behind it until it got into a specific proximity and maintained the same velocity as the other light. I saw this until it went behind the clouds.

I was floored. I had always wanted to witness a UFO and there it was. Excited, I called my Mom, but she didn't believe me. About 2 months later, I filed a witness report on a UFO sighting website. I was hoping to see other reports of the same incident, but there were none.
Anto Posts: 1108
Jul 09, 2009 11:09 PM GMT
I don't know about the video but I think there has to be life on other planets. If the process of evolution is real, then why can't it happen elsewhere? It's just another natural phenomenon that happens in the universe given the right set of conditions.

I also think it's realistic that some aliens would look like humans or similar to humans because if it's about natural processes that shape how life forms and evolves and conditions on another planet are like those on Earth, then it seems reasonable that the resulting life on it would be similar to that on Earth as well.
Jul 09, 2009 11:20 PM GMT
I did saw the big circle white light one time on my way to Phoenix from Flagstaff. It was New Year Eve. I thought it was a moon, but the moon was up in different direction and the white light was in other direction. I don't think it was UFO?

I guess maybe L. Ron Hubbard was right about the Xenu story? lol The Church of Scientology was established in Phoenix Arizona 1952.
Jul 09, 2009 11:24 PM GMT
Look up a video called Disclosure Project on youtube. Hundreds of military, gov officials, scientists, etc that are together with testimony about ufos, bodies, etc that they have seen. A lot are now retired military. Lots of cool, shocking testimony by HIGHLY reputable sources. I think its ignorant to think we are the only life forms in all the galaxies now discovered.
Jul 09, 2009 11:31 PM GMT
Jesus Christ himself predicted that "there will be strange signs in the skies" during the last days of human history (Luke 21:11). Could the UFO actually be magnifestations of the spirit world?
Jul 09, 2009 11:35 PM GMT
I never see any UFO either but I not sure true or not because I never been Arizona but I been Colorado and saw bigfoot once.
Jul 09, 2009 11:35 PM GMT
I don't believe in them, but I am still afraid of them.
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