Atheists with [b]BALLS[/b]

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    Jul 10, 2009 1:44 AM GMT
    kind of having a hard time wording this question...

    Just throwing it out there, but how many atheists are confident enough to say that they would not inherit the kingdom of god or accept if they were wrong.



    I for one can gladly tell god to go fuck himself.

    I am confident enough to say that heaven, god and any other fairy tale are ridiculous ideas created by humans.



    back to the question to atheists,



    are you confident enough to deny entrance into eternal happiness or i guess this is kind of unpalatable for gay people but can you say no to 72 virgins?



    With confidence, I'm ripping up my ticket to heaven that was force-fed down my throat.




  • Delivis

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    Jul 10, 2009 1:49 AM GMT
    Depends which god.

    If the god is anything like the one protrayed in the bible, then if he were real, i would be his enemy. It would be the only moral position to oppose such a being.
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    Jul 10, 2009 3:53 AM GMT
    LOL indeed. If I died and found out that there really was a God, and that he was exactly like the God in the Bible, even if I somehow find entrance to heaven I'd rebel and move to hell. icon_lol.gif
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    Jul 10, 2009 3:54 AM GMT
    I'd rather be at the party where I know everyone... so the basement sounds good to me.

    Besides, singing praises to the lord of wars doesn't sound like a good way to spend eternity. icon_twisted.gif
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    Jul 10, 2009 3:58 AM GMT
    Better to reign in hell than to serve in heaven.
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    Jul 10, 2009 3:59 AM GMT
    I'm going with Munchies.. seriously.. I'm going with him.. I'll be his bitch *nods*
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    Jul 10, 2009 4:03 AM GMT
    As I was walkin' up the stair
    I saw a man who wasn't there
    He wasn't there again today
    Oh how I wish he'd go away
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    Jul 10, 2009 4:03 AM GMT
    Regarding heavenly salvation: I'd take it, but I'd have to read the contract fully before I entered. There may be a hell of a neighborhood association contract. Maybe Satan's burg is rent-controlled or something.
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    Jul 10, 2009 4:04 AM GMT
    jesus is my favorite fictional character!
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    Jul 10, 2009 4:04 AM GMT
    I'm really trying to understand the psychology behind your beliefs but I can't. Being an atheist myself, It just doesn't make sense to deny God if he were to exist.
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    Jul 10, 2009 4:08 AM GMT
    I can. People can't accept that when you're dead, you're dead. You have no consciousness, thus you are not cognizant, thus you do not exist.

    It's the same as before you were born, there is nothing. To some people, that thought is scary, so they rely on the comfort of myths to help them deal with the fear.
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    Jul 10, 2009 4:12 AM GMT
    I believe in God. Just a personal choice.
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    Jul 10, 2009 4:12 AM GMT
    oh was the question asking if we believe in god..

    Ma bad.. I thought it was something else..

  • offshore

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    Jul 10, 2009 5:15 AM GMT
    me - I consider myself a militant atheist or anti-thiest because i believe religion is a major problem for humanity.
  • swimbikerun

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    Jul 10, 2009 5:17 AM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidBetter to reign in hell than to serve in heaven.
    Yeah baby! Making that an entire iPhone app!
  • swimbikerun

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    Jul 10, 2009 5:18 AM GMT
    gayblaketx saidI believe in God. Just a personal choice.
    Thank you! Just about the best fucking answer. End of discussion.
  • MSUBioNerd

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    Jul 10, 2009 5:28 AM GMT
    This question fundamentally doesn't make sense.

    If you're an atheist, you (depending on your formulation) either a) don't believe in God, or b) believe in a lack of a God. As far as I can tell, though, the thought experiment is that you find out that there is a God because you die and oh, look, there is an afterlife.

    At that point, the only mature thing to do is admit that you were wrong. That doesn't mean you need to begin worshiping God; Delivis and Sedative both make reasonable points about finding the Old Testament God pretty immoral. But it doesn't take balls, as you put it, to refuse to admit that you're wrong when you have proof that you were wrong. It takes willful stupidity to do that.

    Essentially, in your thought experiment you're saying that people should deny reality because it doesn't fit with their preconceived beliefs regarding religion. As an atheist, isn't that one of the major things you dislike about the devoutly theistic?
  • Sirkit

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    Jul 10, 2009 5:30 AM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidBetter to reign in hell than to serve in heaven.


    Ditto. If the Abraham god turns out to be real then it is an indecent injustice that he created us and the Universe. I would stand with anyone in opposition to his rule.
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    Jul 10, 2009 5:31 AM GMT
    MSUBioNerd saidThis question fundamentally doesn't make sense.

    This is realjock..
  • TallGWMvballe...

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    Jul 10, 2009 5:34 AM GMT
    If I died and found out that the god and heaven and hell were exactly like described in the old testament I would fully Freak!
    I am not sure what I would do but worshipping such a nasty, warring. immoral thing would not be on the plate.
  • swimbikerun

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    Jul 10, 2009 5:35 AM GMT
    MSUBioNerd saidThis question fundamentally doesn't make sense.

    If you're an atheist, you (depending on your formulation) either a) don't believe in God, or b) believe in a lack of a God. As far as I can tell, though, the thought experiment is that you find out that there is a God because you die and oh, look, there is an afterlife.

    At that point, the only mature thing to do is admit that you were wrong. That doesn't mean you need to begin worshiping God; Delivis and Sedative both make reasonable points about finding the Old Testament God pretty immoral. But it doesn't take balls, as you put it, to refuse to admit that you're wrong when you have proof that you were wrong. It takes willful stupidity to do that.

    Essentially, in your thought experiment you're saying that people should deny reality because it doesn't fit with their preconceived beliefs regarding religion. As an atheist, isn't that one of the major things you dislike about the devoutly theistic?
    Not necessarily so.

    Quoting Arthur C. Clarke:

    " 1. When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.
    2. The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
    3. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

    [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws[/url]

    Given point Three, simply because it is demonstrated that primitive fantasties can be materialized in and of itself is not proof of the existence of an "afterlife".
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    Jul 10, 2009 8:06 AM GMT
    MSUBioNerd saidThis question fundamentally doesn't make sense.

    If you're an atheist, you (depending on your formulation) either a) don't believe in God, or b) believe in a lack of a God. As far as I can tell, though, the thought experiment is that you find out that there is a God because you die and oh, look, there is an afterlife.

    At that point, the only mature thing to do is admit that you were wrong. That doesn't mean you need to begin worshiping God; Delivis and Sedative both make reasonable points about finding the Old Testament God pretty immoral. But it doesn't take balls, as you put it, to refuse to admit that you're wrong when you have proof that you were wrong. It takes willful stupidity to do that.

    Essentially, in your thought experiment you're saying that people should deny reality because it doesn't fit with their preconceived beliefs regarding religion. As an atheist, isn't that one of the major things you dislike about the devoutly theistic?


    my thoughts exactly.
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    Jul 10, 2009 2:10 PM GMT
    TronicIt's the same as before you were born, there is nothing.


    I think its clear the only RATIONAL perspective on the afterlife is agnosticism icon_razz.gif the rest is simply a bunch of people purporting to believe, to varying degrees, that they have some form of answer to that which, by definition they cannot know. Why can we just not simply be happy accepting that certain things are unknowable, and subsequently make the best of what it is we have.

    More to the topic however, if I were to die and find out that the Abrahamic God was infact real, I wouldnt repent, as Rousseau taught morality is not determined by power, fight the good fight and all that.

    Plus, riddle me this. Why do we think that Lucifer is so bad? I'm just throwing it out there, an angel who reputedly stands up to an immoral god, surely we have to wonder. And lets not forget, one gets all ones information on Lucifer from the Bible, written so one hears with the inspiration of his enemy, who is known to hold long and disproportionate grudges icon_razz.gif
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    Jul 10, 2009 2:14 PM GMT
    It'll be like the biggest circuit party ever, just a little hotter and without the e. icon_twisted.gif
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    Jul 10, 2009 2:16 PM GMT
    Sedative saidLOL indeed. If I died and found out that there really was a God, and that he was exactly like the God in the Bible, even if I somehow find entrance to heaven I'd rebel and move to hell. icon_lol.gif


    you wouldn't have to rebel- you would have done all the rebelling you could have ever done before you get to stand infront of Him. at that stage your fate is sealed.