"Be like others"

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    Jul 10, 2009 9:52 AM GMT
    ok since i couldn't sleep i watched a documentary on HBO on demand. The name of it is "Be Like Others" 2008. it focuses on Homosexual men in Iran and how the Govt of Iran have developed a twisted way of getting rid of Homosexuals. (which is not possible)--- I found this Documentary to be very disturbing as what i watched was gay men turning themselves into post op transsexuals just to be accepted. Sounds funny and crazy right. Well its much worst. In Iran, if found to be gay you will be hanged or stoned to death. Now the Govt have made it possible for gay men to do surgeries to become women. It is the govt beliefs that if you do the operation and become a woman then the act is not a sin. I dont know who the fuck taught Human biology in Iran but the Government is delusional and this is quite possibly the worst cause of ignorance i have seen. I really want everyone to take a look at this documentary. While watching the documentary i realized that this law has developed different sects of gay individuals. Homosexuals go against trannys and trannys hate gay men because they dont want to get the surgery. As taking the surgery wont make it not a sin..Another fun fact is when you get the surgery, and your a "woman" you can marry a man" so Iran has legalised gay marriages??????---------------..Infact the individuals that took the surgery said that they were often hounded be Iranian men who wanted to have sex with them constantly. One guy even left school because he would be gang raped at lunch time..If you have seen or known of this issue. please share your thoughts.
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    Jul 11, 2009 12:10 AM GMT

    Reading this made me sick. I always am when confronted with my own greed and lack of gratitude. Here I am living in a country where such sadism by the government is deterred by a living document while Iranian gays live in hell.
    THIS PRACTICE IS SICK. It reminds of prison where femininity is regarded as a weakness and marks one for sexual assault. Hence the reason the sexual demand is high. The sexual demand to RAPE women.

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    Jul 11, 2009 12:18 AM GMT
    Have you guys seen the pictures of the young men they hang by cranes?

    I cried so hard when I saw them. There are photos of them waving goodbye to their families as they are lead to the gallows with their hands tied behind their backs. I want to post them but I don't know if that would be allowed. It breaks my heart. Iranian men are extremely good looking too- its such a crime and waste of life to have killed them. They would have been great additions to Canadian cities like Toronto or Vancouver. My heart goes out to their families. I don't care what anyone says- their mothers died when their sons did.
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    Jul 11, 2009 1:28 AM GMT
    There are some that feel like we should not rock the boat because in the U.S. and other countries we have it relatively good. But we should never hesitate to call out the discrimination, demonization, and persecution of gays anywhere. It is an issue that transcends race and culture and nationality. Here is an excerpt from an article:

    The Stonewall Riots Haven't Stopped - They've Gone GlobalBut there are three great swathes of humanity still untouched by the spirit of Stonewall -- and terrified, terrorized gay people there are screaming for help. In the Caribbean, majority-Muslim countries, and most of Africa, being gay is a death sentence -- yet many people who should be showing solidarity choose not to see it.

    Jamaica is Taliban Afghanistan for gay people. If caught, gays and lesbians face ten years' hard labor -- but they are more likely to be lynched. The cases documented by Dr Robert Carr of the University of the West Indies fill whole books. Here's two from a single week. A father found a picture of a naked man in his 16 year old son's rucksack, so he produced it in the playground and called on his classmates to encouraged them to beat him to death -- which they promptly did. Nobody was ever charged. In Montego Bay, a man was caught checking out another man -- so the crowd lynched him. When the police arrived, they joined in. Hospitals routinely refuse to treat the victims of gay bashings, leaving them to die.
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    Jul 11, 2009 1:35 AM GMT
    The unfortunate thing is that the more developed countries (and by that I mean Europe, Canada, US, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Japan, Australia, China and India) need to advance gay rights far enough that they can apply pressure on these other countries in the same way human rights issues in general get pushed around.

    When you are being knocked around by a bully (ie your country), you need a bigger bully (ie more developed country) to step in.
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    Jul 11, 2009 1:37 AM GMT
    I saw this film last year at a pride film festival in Perth...

    And yeah, the main adjective that springs to mind when trying to describe it is definitely 'disturbing'...maybe harrowing is another good one.

    It is also incredibly strange that a country that prohibits homosexuality can theoretically practice the most progressive public health approach to transsexualism in the the world. By progressive, I'm referring to the fact that the government subsidizes many of the costs associated with sexual reassignment. Even the religious leaders who feature in this documentary appear supportive. I recall one cleric saying something along the lines of "in the Qur'an it says we can made bread from flour, so why not woman from man and man from woman?".

    However the surgical techniques used for those transitioning from male to female don't sound particularly progressive compared practices elsewhere in the world - i.e. using intestines to create a vagina because it makes sexual intercourse for her future 'husband' more pleasurable also completely renders any iota of erogenous sensation for the post-op transwoman.

    I can't quite comprehend just how dire the situation must be for gay and lesbian folk in Iran to voluntarily embark on surgical sex reassignment when it seems they would not do so if they lived elsewhere in the world - one of the people in this documentary even acknowledges this at one point.

    Overall, watching this film as somebody who has transitioned (from female to male) as a necessity (it would have been very destructive to my health and wellbeing to not transition) - was a surreal experience.
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    Jul 11, 2009 2:36 AM GMT
    Wouldn't it be better (financially and morally) if the Iranian government paid for them to leave the country?
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    Jul 11, 2009 3:21 AM GMT
    I saw a part of this documentary last year.
    I remind myself of it each time I feel impatient frustration with Obama's slow march of LGBT rights. I realize I should feel my frustration of course but let it be patient - because I could be in Iran being told by the government that they're going to hang me or chop off my cock.
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    Jul 11, 2009 3:38 AM GMT
    Yeah. This film was really disturbing, but also fascinating in exploring the way that trans was acceptable where gay wasn't.