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Jul 10, 2009 11:58 PM GMT
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Jul 11, 2009 3:52 AM GMT
Yes. Here is what happened when I lost weight naturally. I see it every day and am pretty happy with what I see.  27lbs. gone and have stayed that way for two years now. |
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Jul 11, 2009 4:10 AM GMT
Good to know I'm not the only person here who thinks OnTheWayToMe is just trying to justify his laziness.
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Jul 11, 2009 4:15 AM GMT
I consistently work to keep my weight at 210 to 230.
While I CAN, lower my set point, I usually don't. I like eating, feeling strong, and having good endurance.
OnTheWayToMe just likes publishing all the reasoning for his years of failure in weight control instead of being trainable.
Oh, well.
He's consistently comes up with a long list of reasons for justifying his ongoing failure, even to the most supportive of folks. Most have abandoned him at this point.
I trust he'll do whatever that makes him happy.
Nonetheless, we wish him no ill will. He's just noise these days.
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Jul 11, 2009 4:27 AM GMT
MonkeyPuck saidYes. Here is what happened when I lost weight naturally. I see it every day and am pretty happy with what I see.
http://homepage.mac.com/cherobinson/pic1.jpg
27lbs. gone and have stayed that way for two years now.
Wow, nice progress pics!  |
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Jul 11, 2009 4:27 AM GMT
MonkeyPuck saidYes. Here is what happened when I lost weight naturally. I see it every day and am pretty happy with what I see.
27lbs. gone and have stayed that way for two years now.
thats awesome good work. I am surprised by the OP, if you seek reasons to justify why you cant do something, of course you wont be able to do it. Self-fulfilling prophecy anyone? Eat less, sweat more, control what enters your body and increase your activity. |
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Jul 11, 2009 4:48 AM GMT
At this point I'm feel like saying "Please get some sort of gastric bypass/lapband/roux-en-y/whatever surgery!" That way you'll stop posting the same stuff on here over and over again only to get responses contrary to what you want to believe. Hopefully it works, you lose weight and are able, through dietary modification and exercise, to keep the weight off. If, for whatever reason it does not work, you will only prove numerous posters on here right. Either way the argument comes to end.
HOWEVER, I still think that surgery is the wrong path. After getting the surgery you will have to make the same lifestyle changes that if you were to make now would have similar effects on your weight. Post-op life is NOT pleasant and I, personally, would avoid it at all costs. But, the choice is yours. I haven't been in your shoes and don't know what you are going through and therefore cannot make a decision for you. You have all the information at your fingertips, and it is time you make the decision.
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Jul 11, 2009 5:11 AM GMT
A friend of a friend had the gastric bypass thing and lost tremendous weight because of the obvious effect it had on eating. When it came off she hadn't made any lifestyle changes to diet or exercise and BLOOP she was back to where she was right away.
Maybe move somewhere there's plenty of activities to do nearby that promote a healthy lifestyle.
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Jul 11, 2009 5:21 AM GMT
MonkeyPuck saidYes. Here is what happened when I lost weight naturally. I see it every day and am pretty happy with what I see.
27lbs. gone and have stayed that way for two years now.
27 lbs. is your example? |
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Jul 11, 2009 5:29 AM GMT
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/31845266/ns/today_relationships/?gt1=43001After seeing this story on the tele today and reading the article, I can honestly say that I have no sympathy for your plight anymore. While I do not in any way condone the likes of Chuckystud and others who feel the need to endlessly call out the name fatass at every possible opportunity, you have to get off this rollercoaster of excuses (i.e. threads to justify you being the size you are) and do one of two things: Start a plan and lose the weight or take a good long look in the mirror and be satisfied with who you are and how you look. It makes absolutely no sense to continually barage yourself and others with the constant complaining and excuse finding to justify it. Aside from being non productive, it is just plain trifling. If you really want to get into a healthier place, take a page from the guy in the article, stop typing and start working. Otherwise, stop wasting thread space with these tiresome excuse ridden threads.
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Jul 11, 2009 5:35 AM GMT
ErikTaurean saidhttp://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/31845266/ns/today_relationships/?gt1=43001
After seeing this story on the tele today and reading the article, I can honestly say that I have no sympathy for your plight anymore. While I do not in any way condone the likes of Chuckystud and others who feel the need to endlessly call out the name fatass at every possible opportunity, you have to get off this rollercoaster of excuses (i.e. threads to justify you being the size you are) and do one of two things: Start a plan and lose the weight or take a good long look in the mirror and be satisfied with who you are and how you look. It makes absolutely no sense to continually barage yourself and others with the constant complaining and excuse finding to justify it. Aside from being non productive, it is just plain trifling. If you really want to get into a healthier place, take a page from the guy in the article, stop typing and start working. Otherwise, stop wasting thread space with these tiresome excuse ridden threads. You wouldn't happen to have an example of the threads where I justify my size? |
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Jul 11, 2009 5:53 AM GMT
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Jul 11, 2009 6:02 AM GMT
OnTheWayToMe said-You wouldn't happen to have an example of the threads where I justify my size?
From your post in your thread about lapband surgery.
"Can I dedicate myself the proper way to the gym? ABSOLUTELY!!!! But losing and gaining the same sixty pounds over and over is unbearable. I don't want to keep setting myself up for the heartache of failure anymore."
Anytime you post thread after thread after thread about your situation or something akin to it, your are justifying doing any and everything EXCEPT doing something about it. I stuggle with smoking. I know it's a bad habit. I know my insurance premiums would go down if I quit smoking and I know I will add years to my life if I quit. But there is a disconnect somewhere. I quit smoking for the umpteenth time at the beginning of the year. Kept it up for about 6 months until I fell off the wagon by not dealing with and handling a couple of stressful situations in a way that would not take me back to cigarettes. It is hard, sure, but it can be done because I have done it before. But you don't see me crying about it in multiple threads, especially threads where the best advise was given to give choices to help. I am not going to say anything else about your situation as I have nothing else positive to offer and beating you up about it has never done any good. So reply if you must, but I am done. Good luck. I hope you choose to at least be happy.
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Jul 11, 2009 11:22 AM GMT
I don't understand the reason for posting this thread
are we supposed to assume that because this guy gained a lot of weight back that losing weight naturally doesn't work?
Going on the Biggest Loser and losing weight I wouldn't qualify as "losing weight naturally"
They might not use drugs or surgery
but that's a crash course of exercise and diet that makes the contestants lose their weight but then when they get back home
what are they supposed to do?
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Jul 11, 2009 11:55 AM GMT
His argument seems to be that he can't prevent himself from regaining weight.
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Jul 11, 2009 12:19 PM GMT
Monkey Puck: impressive. Nice.  OnTheWay probably needs counseling to help him break the cycle. Surgery would be a bad idea as itīs just going to delay and complicate the process of dealing with why he wonīt/canīt commit to a lifestyle which produces sustainable weight loss and addressing the way he uses food. |
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Jul 11, 2009 12:42 PM GMT
Better to just stay home and sit on you ass, you can always have them liposuction 60lbs off your thighs biweekly......just the way nature intended
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Jul 11, 2009 1:05 PM GMT
On The Way: I offer this only in a constructive and positive way.
Would you consider counseling?
You may not realize it, but its extremely obvious that your outlook and behaviors are self-defeating and self-destructive.
You also seem to think there's a quick fix for your weight problem. There's not. Like just about everything that's worthwhile. . . it takes a fair amount of time to accomplish a goal.
The thing is, the journey to the goal offers instant rewards. And that in itself is motivating. Wouldn't you feel great if you dropped, say, six or eight or ten pounds after a month?
Maybe that's not as dramatic as dangerous surgery with all the side effects. . . but it would certainly encourage you and give you a different attitude about things.
That said, I think it's imperative that you add counseling to a weight loss program. Would you at least try to see a counselor?
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Jul 11, 2009 1:24 PM GMT
OnTheWayToMe said
27 lbs. is your example? Yes. Sorry you feel the need to dismiss other people's accomplishments. If you don't think losing and keeping off 27 lbs is really that big of a deal then you are set. Lose 27 lbs. Then rinse and repeat. It doesn't matter if you want to lose and keep off 27, 50, 100 the fundamentals are the same. Your other option is to keep posting threads on here. If that floats your boat then by all means stay as you are and enjoy your shorten life span by spewing out that half-assed victim rhetoric like some kind of hopeless housewife just waiting to die. I didn't criticize you in my post. You asked a question about what happens when you lose weight naturally. I did exactly that and I answered. What happened? I look and feel much better than when I started. My cholesterol is low, body fat is low, resting heart rate are all low and walking up a flight of stairs is no biggy. That is what happened when I lost weight naturally. I didn't end up on the San Diego news though. Maybe you are right, I didn't all for nothing. |
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Jul 11, 2009 1:29 PM GMT
Perhaps there is more to it than just "trying to lose weight naturally" .
The video clip is an example that the journalist searched far and, dare I say, wide to find someone who did it wrong.
MonkeyPuck did it right.
The OP is doing it wrong and cites examples of others who do it wrong in order to reach a false conclusion that here is no right way and it is impossible and futile.
OnTheWayToMe should cancel his membership in RealJock and join FatPeopleForSelfAcceptance.com
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Jul 11, 2009 2:30 PM GMT
LittleDudeWithMuscles saidOn The Way: I offer this only in a constructive and positive way.
Would you consider counseling?
You may not realize it, but its extremely obvious that your outlook and behaviors are self-defeating and self-destructive.
You also seem to think there's a quick fix for your weight problem. There's not. Like just about everything that's worthwhile. . . it takes a fair amount of time to accomplish a goal.
The thing is, the journey to the goal offers instant rewards. And that in itself is motivating. Wouldn't you feel great if you dropped, say, six or eight or ten pounds after a month?
Maybe that's not as dramatic as dangerous surgery with all the side effects. . . but it would certainly encourage you and give you a different attitude about things.
That said, I think it's imperative that you add counseling to a weight loss program. Would you at least try to see a counselor?
No! |
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Jul 11, 2009 2:30 PM GMT
Dear "On The Way to Me":
I think your time (and other RJ members' time as well?) would be better spent doing the things each of us needs to do to be/stay in good shape physically, mentally and spiritually. Where does posting / replying to endless emails about the same topic to the same person help? I think that "On The Way to Me" should do the surgery if he really has the money or insurance to do so, but also get the counseling he so clearly needs before and after the operation.
I, though, would never want to have any unnecesary surgery fooling around with my innards! I think having my mouth wired shut (like the girl in the movie CAMP) sound much more appealing (well, except for the part about not being able to suck cock anymore! LOL So maybe scratch that choice.)
I have lost my weight naturally... as of today, 48lbs since February. Not monumental, but I do feel a hell of a lot better, physically and mentally. Some days I have no interest in overeating my calorie limit, other days it's a real struggle not to... maybe once a month I break down and give in and eat something totally fabulous (like I did over Pride/July 4th week) and gain 3 lbs. I am far from perfect... while I've lost weight, I've not gained muscle because (surprise!) I haven't been exercising the last 2 months. But that too will change at some point soon.
Yeah, part of my constant lifelong battle is bad genes... but most of my weight gain is just bad habits which I have no one to blame for except me. I decided to finally stop feeling sorry for myself, finally stop feeling guilty about my second partner's premature and fatal heart attack and lose the weight at age 52, because I really would prefer not joining my first two partners in either of their graves in MY 50's and before my time. That simple.
I think folks here at RJ have been incredibly supportive of you, in small or large (no pun intended, believe me) ways over the years it seems. And I do think that Chuckstud calling out 'fatass' is helpful as well, at times! LOL I've certainly learned a lot reading these strings... but enough is enough? I think we're allowing ourselves to be sucked into an endless discussion here with someone who is only exercising his fingers typing on the keyboard?
As someone here said previously, perhaps Chuckstud, it all become just 'noise' we'll just learn to filter out and ignore?
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Jul 11, 2009 3:04 PM GMT
OnTheWayToMe saidLittleDudeWithMuscles saidOn The Way: I offer this only in a constructive and positive way.
Would you consider counseling?
You may not realize it, but its extremely obvious that your outlook and behaviors are self-defeating and self-destructive.
You also seem to think there's a quick fix for your weight problem. There's not. Like just about everything that's worthwhile. . . it takes a fair amount of time to accomplish a goal.
The thing is, the journey to the goal offers instant rewards. And that in itself is motivating. Wouldn't you feel great if you dropped, say, six or eight or ten pounds after a month?
Maybe that's not as dramatic as dangerous surgery with all the side effects. . . but it would certainly encourage you and give you a different attitude about things.
That said, I think it's imperative that you add counseling to a weight loss program. Would you at least try to see a counselor?
No! Until you're mentally ready to loose the weight you never will. You should heed the above advice. |
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Jul 11, 2009 3:04 PM GMT
Why are you on a fitness and health site if you have zero interest in either?
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Jul 11, 2009 3:06 PM GMT
MsclDrew saidBetter to just stay home and sit on you ass, you can always have them liposuction 60lbs off your thighs biweekly......just the way nature intended (Sigh) More rock throwing. |
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Jul 11, 2009 3:06 PM GMT
Thin may be in but fat's where it's at.  |
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Jul 11, 2009 3:08 PM GMT
Okay everyone, move along here. Nothing new to see.
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Jul 11, 2009 3:27 PM GMT
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Jul 11, 2009 4:19 PM GMT
1) By your own statements, you've repeatedly lost and gained the same 60 pounds repeatedly. As such, your main struggle isn't in losing weight; it's in keeping it off once you've lost it. Instead of dismissing MonkeyPuck and his awesome abs for having "only" lost and kept 27 pounds off for 2 years, a far more constructive approach would be to ask him for advice on how he kept it off. 2) As he already stated, it's actually kind of fantastic that you think 27 pounds is nothing. So do it. Repeatedly. Every pound of fat that you lose and keep off is one pound closer to being healthy. It's one pound less of strain on your joints, one pound closer to stable center of gravity, etc. Maybe some of your health problems won't be conquered until you've lost 150 pounds, but they will be less severe 30 pounds lighter than you are now. It's not like you cross some magical threshold from "completely unhealthy" to "completely healthy". 3) Once more, with feeling: anecdote =/= data. You found an example of someone who lost weight naturally and gained it back. Others have posted an example of someone who lost even more weight -- quite probably more than you currently weigh in total -- naturally over the course of a little more than 2 years. Because for virtually anything you can find conflicting personal examples, we do better off looking at data, not anecdotes. And as has been pointed out to you in detail, the data say that losing 1 to 1.5 pounds a week for a year will meet or exceed the weight loss from lap band surgery, and the lap band surgery will not accomplish your ridiculously fast weight loss goal. You say you've followed the advice you've been given here 4 times. Except that you haven't, because you've ignored important parts of the advice. You've been told to go slow, lose the weight slowly and consistently. You've told us to "Fuck healthy weightloss!" and decided to go about losing it as fast as you could. And, each time, your attempt at high speed has faltered and you've ended up gaining the weight back, in large part because you weren't doing it in a healthy, sustainable manner. Eventually, one would hope that you'd realize that what you've been doing doesn't work for you, is different than what you've been advised to do, and you might even change your approach rather than trying the same thing again. There's a reason we've told you to go slow, and it has nothing to do with us not understanding, or not wanting you to lose weight and join the club of the fit gays, or any of the other reasons you've stated in the past. It's because, long-term, it's what works. It gets results, and generally even faster than these crazy crash diets and massive exercise regimens because if you do it slowly you're much less likely to quit because the new regimen is suddenly too hard to stick to. If you're convinced that the surgery is the way to go, and you've got a doctor who will do it, then do that. It's your body, and the final decision is up to you. But don't you dare say that natural weight loss doesn't work as a blanket statement. There are plenty of people for whom it does. The fact that your attempts at it have not says more about the way in which you've gone about it than it does whether diet and exercise alone can control weight. |
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Jul 11, 2009 4:51 PM GMT
Crazy he looked like this at the end of show  Now he's back to 315lbs (per the video). Too bad. While inspiring, I always thought that they lost the weight in a very UNHEALTHY way, actually. Too fast and exercised for a duration (meaning 4-5 hours/day) that most people just don't have time for. Seems like a lot of the people gained it back. The thing about losing weight that quickly and with such supervision is you don't have time to go through the mental, physical, emotional and habitual changes that allow people to see themselves behave as a healthy person, especially when dealing with people with extremely poor previous habits. Good luck to them, but healthy weight loss (non-surgical and long-term) is, IMO, the way to go 95% of the time. |
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Jul 11, 2009 5:08 PM GMT
sadly, time to "ignore his posts".
Heīs ignoring everything that is said to him.
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Jul 11, 2009 5:13 PM GMT
i lost weight at my age.... naturally....no processed food ...its unbelievably easy and results are awesome. Did i do Cardio....Cardio......whats that?
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Jul 11, 2009 5:33 PM GMT
OnTheWayToMe saidMonkeyPuck saidYes. Here is what happened when I lost weight naturally. I see it every day and am pretty happy with what I see.
27lbs. gone and have stayed that way for two years now.
27 lbs. is your example? I would think long and hard before dismissing anyone's weight loss stories, especially from a guy who doesn't even post his weight in his profile. Dollars to donuts Che (MonkeyPuck) was in better shape than you before he lost the weight, and now is even 27 pounds more fit. It's very easy to criticize, but a lot harder to lose the weight. |
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Jul 11, 2009 6:01 PM GMT
vindog saidCrazy he looked like this at the end of show
Now he's back to 315lbs (per the video).
Too bad. While inspiring, I always thought that they lost the weight in a very UNHEALTHY way, actually. Too fast and exercised for a duration (meaning 4-5 hours/day) that most people just don't have time for. Seems like a lot of the people gained it back.
The thing about losing weight that quickly and with such supervision is you don't have time to go through the mental, physical, emotional and habitual changes that allow people to see themselves behave as a healthy person, especially when dealing with people with extremely poor previous habits.
Good luck to them, but healthy weight loss (non-surgical and long-term) is, IMO, the way to go 95% of the time.
Yes, I saw a little bit of his interview he had on Oprah, and he said that main reason that he regained the weight was because he didn't have his head on straight mentally to deal with the new person he was in a smaller size. As I've learned, it's more than the physical, it's the mental too. If you're not ready mentally for this change, it doesn't matter as you won't be able to keep up with it. That's been a more difficult one or me, but I wouldn't have been able to do the weight loss if I hadn't broken up my relationship, don't a ton of personal development, therapy, etc. I was finally ready for it. I'd agree with the previous poster that it's time we just let OnTheWayToMe do his thing, not goad him, not chastise him, but just let him go do whatever he wants to do until he realizes what he needs. All the suggestions here aren't moving that forward and only giving everyone here heartburn. |
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Jul 11, 2009 6:38 PM GMT
k1052 saidOnTheWayToMe saidLittleDudeWithMuscles saidOn The Way: I offer this only in a constructive and positive way.
Would you consider counseling?
You may not realize it, but its extremely obvious that your outlook and behaviors are self-defeating and self-destructive.
You also seem to think there's a quick fix for your weight problem. There's not. Like just about everything that's worthwhile. . . it takes a fair amount of time to accomplish a goal.
The thing is, the journey to the goal offers instant rewards. And that in itself is motivating. Wouldn't you feel great if you dropped, say, six or eight or ten pounds after a month?
Maybe that's not as dramatic as dangerous surgery with all the side effects. . . but it would certainly encourage you and give you a different attitude about things.
That said, I think it's imperative that you add counseling to a weight loss program. Would you at least try to see a counselor?
No!
Until you're mentally ready to loose the weight you never will. You should heed the above advice. Once I get the surgery I won't need a counselor. |
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Jul 11, 2009 8:03 PM GMT
I've spoken in other topics here about folks we know, like the downstairs neighbor (who was nearly 400), and the guy at Lifetime Fitness (who was 410) and their ongoing positive progress. I've spoken about it in positive ways as well.
I've watched OnTheWayToMe whimper and whine and do the self-pity thing for several YEARS now. Bottom line is that he's lazy and needy and seeks constant validation for his bad behavior.
Becasue OnTheWayToMe's biggest efforts seem to be around whining it gets to be just a repeat record.
We've all shown the guy compassion. We've all suggested a long list of alternatives. Yet, he lashes out.
His issues are more than his lack of ability to control what he eats and his lack of movement and lack of positivity but the fact that he almost certainly seems to crave negative attention (better than none at all, I suppose).
I've offered up a number of solutions, as have others, in a positive and caring way, but, OnTheWayToMe doesn't want to get well. He WANTS to stay sick so that he can cry some more.
Although I'm not a Ph.D., I can tell you he does need to see a pro as to why he self-destructs on an ongoing basis.
My integrity in the matter doesn't make me an asshole. It makes me a honest man, but, OnTheWayToMe chooses to remain a whining fat ass. I've done just about everything I can do, as have most everyone else here.
Go get the surgery or not.
Get off the couch, or not.
You need to come to the point where you help yourself and stop with all your incessant self-pity, and whining, and justification for being a fat ass.
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Jul 11, 2009 8:38 PM GMT
OnTheWayToMe said
Once I get the surgery I won't need a counselor. I don't say this to make fun of you or belittle you in any way, but deep down you must see the how flawed this statement is. I also believe counseling could only help you. People don't gain a lot of weight because they are in a perfectly healthy state of mind. Many people use food as a distraction, or small comfort, from stress or other problems in their life. Everyone has their own way of dealing with these issues, and it just happens that emotional eating is a very maladaptive method. I'm curious though, why are you so dead set against seeing a counselor? I mean, what harm could it possibly do? Whatever you end up doing, best of luck. |
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Jul 11, 2009 9:02 PM GMT
OnTheWayToMe said
Once I get the surgery I won't need a counselor. I'm beginning to think a lobotomy might serve you better than a gastric bypass  I've camp councilored for kids at 'weight management' camp. By the end of a day or two, a 12 year old gets it....but you are clearly a very 'special' individual But that's the end of my input on this, effort is best reserved for those who actually have a desire to better themselves, physically, mentally & emotionally |
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Jul 11, 2009 9:03 PM GMT
For the record, I'll routinely DROP 40 to 60 pounds, over 20 to 24 weeks, to get ready for a show.
I know all about losing, and gaining weight.
I've competed at lightweight novice (154#), and at open middleweight (187#) and my normal body set point is between around 210# and 230#. I have folks tell me that I should go to light heavyweight open, but, I'm so short, and the weight is so high (198.5) that, I'd have to non-stop eat to stay that lean at 198.
As I write this I'm 5'5", and 215.
I've been as heavy as 230# at 12% at 5'5", and have had coaches that felt I could carry 250 with more calories (money is the obstacle there).
I have little compassion for a man so lazy as to not get up and walk.
How do I drop that weight? I eat. I get busy. In 2007, I did three-a-day workouts for 20 weeks, and tracked every single item that went into my mouth, and looked like a million bucks. Don't talk to me about genetics, or magic potions, you do stairs twice a day with your heart rate at 160 BPM for 20 minutes each time and throw in 1.5 hours of lifting and SEE WHAT HAPPENS TO YOU. You'll be among the fittest of the most fit.
Our fat ass bud is LAZY in the n'th degree. Call a spade a spade.
OnTheWayToMe makes me want to throw up after a while.
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Jul 11, 2009 9:09 PM GMT
flex89 / Logan lives with me, and gained 82 pounds of muscle and lost 2% of fat, in five MONTHS, all while being a type 1 diabetic.
Do you hear flex89 crying about having a chronic illness? Fuck no!!! He gets up and works out.
Guys like OnTheWayToMe are sickening in their self-pity.
Logan deals with blood sugars from 28 to 480, and when it goes low, he eats a piece of candy, and gets back up on the stairs and blasts away. When it goes high, he hits himself with some slin and go does legs which will drop his blood sugar eighty points in 3 sets.
Oh, yeah...guess what his insulin sensitivity is .75. How about that? Meaning it's BETTER than almost anyone. And...guess what...his HBA1C is 6.5.
OnTheWayToMe disgusts me while he wallows in self-pity. Logan inspires me by the way he "trains through it" and keeps his head high.
In the 14 months Logan has lived with me, he's complained about his type 1 diabetes THREE times. OnTheWayToMe could learn a bunch from Logan.
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Jul 11, 2009 9:28 PM GMT
Ugh. Threads like these make me really want to just hit "ignore" for the OP.
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Jul 11, 2009 9:39 PM GMT
[quote][cite]OnTheWayToMe said[/cite
Once I get the surgery I won't need a counselor.[/quote]
I'm beginning to suspect I'm wasting my time, but I'll try again. . .
You need counseling whether you have surgery or lose the weight in a safer, more natural way.
Surgery or natural weight loss only solves a symptom of the real problem.
You eat too much, not because you're hungry, but because you're unhappy.
And you're unhappy because you have issues. I don't know what your issues are, but you clearly have them.
This is just like alcoholism. Do you think alcoholics drink because they like the taste of liquor? No -- they drink to mask their fears and insecurities.
It is possible for an alcoholic, with a great amount of willpower, to stop drinking without counseling. But the things that caused the alcoholic to start drinking in the first place are still there, just waiting to manifest themselves once again.
Same with your eating.
Undergo all the surgery you want, it still won't solve your underlying problems, whatever they are.
A combination of counseling. . . weekly visits to a support group of Overeaters Anonymous (where you'll meet lots of nice people)... and slowly, safely and responsibly losing the weight through a monitored exercise program and changes in your diet will work wonders.
Do the above for a year. . . and though it will be difficult. . . you'll become a different guy. . .physically, mentally and emotionally.
Actually, it could be a wonderful adventure and an amazing achievement. Think of how good you will feel at the end of that year.
But ultimately, it's up to you.
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Jul 11, 2009 9:40 PM GMT
Working in the fitness industry daily, I see every type of person from the very fit trying to maintain or improve, the wanting to get fit, and the person just working out to improve their health whether it be a personal decision, or a physician recommended one. I have seen members loose and gain back, loose and keep off, and members just give up. Dedicating your life to being fit requires different levels of commitment for everyone since not everyone has the same genetics. Setting a goal to try to look like someone else is automatically setting yourself up for failure. Again genetics makes us very different. The first thing that needs to be addressed is attitude. How you view yourself is a direct reflection on how others will view you. Presence is the key. Practice it, you will succeed. What is happening right now is all that matters. How you are right now is all that matters. If you continue to play the role of "victim party of one" you will always be the "victim party of one." If you are happy with that fine, if you are not, only you can do something about it. Your health cannot be viewed as a quick fix, there is a life long commitment. Think of it as a marriage, and divorce is not an option. Sure there will be good days and bad days, how you choose to address the bad days is up to you. How much you educate yourself about the process is up to you as well.
I have a personal training client that just had the lap band surgery. He realizes that there needs to be a total lifestyle change. He has accepted this and is doing his best to see it through. Every week I go over to his house and there are more clothes added to the pile on the dining room table for donation. Not only is he looking at his weight loss, he is now realizing other added benefits, his Dr. took him off his cholesterol medication, blood pressure medication, and his diabetes is getting under control. I am not pushing lap band, I personally think hard work and dedication are better.
I could go on forever, but my fingers are getting tired. One last thing, I highly suggest you read "A New Earth, Awakening To Your Life's Purpose." I think this may assist you is learning how to use presence to help you on the rest of your journey. If you choose not to that is up to you. What you resists, persists, what you chase, runs away. Do yourself a favor and be happy with who you are, and then you can make the decision to make the necessary changes.
To everyone else, if you keep responding to our friend's threads over and over again, you are feeding the negative, victim ego, this only makes it stronger.
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Jul 11, 2009 9:40 PM GMT
I agree, it is time to ignore. For those of us out here trying to remain postive while we loose weight and gain muscle, you are nothing but a downer. I would love to wake up tommorrow and be thin, but I know that is not realistic or safe.
I do agree, some of the things said to you where very harsh. But the more you post and argue, the more I agree with them. Ill take my small weekly weight loss over putting my body through a drastic procedure any day.
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Jul 11, 2009 9:47 PM GMT
Once I get the surgery I won't need a counselor.[/quote]
Is that so. If your Dr. allows you to go through any weight loss surgery and not require counseling, his license should be taken away.
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Jul 11, 2009 10:09 PM GMT
I tend to think that for whatever reason, you're probably going to be one of those guys that's at the bigger end of the scale. Maybe you just have to accept it.
But if you do get the surgery you must start a blog about it. Hey, I'd tune in!
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Jul 11, 2009 10:14 PM GMT
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Jul 11, 2009 10:18 PM GMT
Well if you feel you need some sort of medication or weight loss surgery then do it already..stop saying your going to. But if you decide to go through with surgery and lose X amount of pounds, just remember that it will likely come back if you don't change your lifestyle
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Jul 11, 2009 10:36 PM GMT
MsclDrew said Yeah, what he said. |
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Jul 11, 2009 11:04 PM GMT
OnTheWayToMe said
Once I get the surgery I won't need a counselor. I hope you don't seriously believe that...for your own sake. I used to be very overweight. Now, I'm not. If you think losing weight is going to fix what's going on in you head, you are terribly wrong. Trust me on this one...I've been there, and it's a rough road to enlightenment. I'm now 6' tall and am still keeping at a steady 175lbs. Am I fat? No. Am I ripped? Far from it. Do I still battle with what I now know is a ridiculous view of body dismorphia? You betcha! ;) Have I learned to live and deal with it? Yes...thanks to therapy. Do I let it get to me anymore? Rarely, because regular exercise has worked better than any antidepressant ever will for me. Granted, I don't know you (OnTheWayToMe) in person, and I probably never will. But based on how you present yourself online...whether or not you have surgery to help you lose weight, or learn how to do it on your own, or decide to learn how to be happy with who you are...you need counseling. Admitting you need help is the first step to recovery. Until you do, nothing is going to change the way you want it to. |
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Jul 11, 2009 11:47 PM GMT
COJock1974 saidUgh. Threads like these make me really want to just hit "ignore" for the OP. Exactly. Consider it done. Some of my good friends here (and I) have spent far too much time trying to help this OP. I mean, I barely have time to spend with the people I care about who actually want help or advice - - - I sure as heck don't have time to waste on anyone who is just into the "woe is me" act. |
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Jul 12, 2009 3:45 AM GMT
OnTheWayToMe, my personal email address is published all over The Internet. In fact you can read all about me on bodybuilding.com at http://www.bodybuilders.com/chuckg.htm . That being said, I want you to know we WANT you to be successful but, YOU HAVE TO END YOUR SELF DESTRUCTIVE BEHAVIOR. You're pushing people away. STOP IT. Let those good-hearted folks who are here on Real Jock, and elsewhere, guide you to a different place, and stop it with the I,I,I,me,me,me,fail,fail,fail. You MUST change your attitude by any of a number of means. I suggest you seek a professional mental health counselor FIRST, but, know, all of the folks here, are NOT evil people. The vast majority of us are kind, and caring, and want you to do well, but, you have to change your ways. YOU HAVE to let us, or someone else, whatever you'd like to call FAMILY help you. If you'll send an email with "Fat Ass Wants Help" (so I can capture it on our mail servers) I'm happy to point you to a counselor and folks who are genuine in their concern for your welfare. You need to stop with this crap. I know folks who have walked your path and had great success. You've done this to yourself for YEARS. It's time to take a different path. |
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Jul 12, 2009 5:18 AM GMT
Jockbod48 saidCOJock1974 saidUgh. Threads like these make me really want to just hit "ignore" for the OP.
Exactly. Consider it done. Some of my good friends here (and I) have spent far too much time trying to help this OP. I mean, I barely have time to spend with the people I care about who actually want help or advice - - - I sure as heck don't have time to waste on anyone who is just into the "woe is me" act. I don't remember you ever saying a word to me. |
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Jul 12, 2009 5:58 AM GMT
You're such an angry guy. Ponder that.
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Jul 12, 2009 7:10 AM GMT
uuuummmmm... this may just be me, but the video you posted has nothing to do with this topic. if you're saying you are diabetic, then that's one thing. but it doesn't support the title to the thread... in fact, it refutes it in a way. bad form.
good luck with hating yourself and making excuses though. but thanks for having some smart guys give really good advice, pays off for the rest of us if you're to pathetic to take it yourself. cheers mate
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Jul 12, 2009 7:38 AM GMT
oh good heavens why does anyone bother with this guy??
if he put even half his energy into controlling himself he'd have lost weight..
But instead he complains and moans and sucks the life outta people..
ignore him..
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Jul 12, 2009 10:23 AM GMT
(Sorry guys, last post.)
You are overweight for an emotional reason. Your excess weight gives you something (in an ass-backward way) that you want. Even though part of you wants to lose weight, another part of you wants to keep the weight. It's not just the temptation to eat or the temptation to stay on the couch. This is why you regain weight: you start to lose the benefits, so you put the weight back on. You need to figure out what benefits you receive from your excess weight. Then you need to figure out different ways to get those benefits.
Or not. It's up to you.
It would be a shame to get that surgery when you aren't ready to be thin, because you will find a way to put the weight back on.
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Jul 12, 2009 5:35 PM GMT
I've decided that I am going to lose weight and the result is ... I have.
I was approaching 200lbs and for some reason or another, I am not comfortable with the idea of weighing that amount. I've been watching what I put into my mouth and decided to get reasonable hours of sleep;
the goal of weight loss has been achieved. In a matter of months with this simple regimen, I've gone from a size 32 to a size 30. You can lose weight, even for a silly reason such as my own.
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Jul 12, 2009 5:45 PM GMT
I thought MonkeyPuck already looked hot in his 'before' picture.  |
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Jul 12, 2009 6:17 PM GMT
Loosing weight and finding the way to do it is a very individual thing. Congratualtions to anyone who found their own way to do it.........and no need to rank on anyone who has a different method.
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