Get rid of your fat friends...

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    Nov 26, 2007 10:03 AM GMT
    This was an article I was reading in the December issue of Muscular Development. It says scientists have found that people are 57% more likely to be overweight if they have overweight friends. The risk triples among close friends.The risk of gaining weight is 37% if your spouse is pudgy. The study examined more the 12,000 people over the age of 30 yrs old and the 12,000 people formed obesity clusters, the study showed obesity is contagious...What do you think? Would you help your friend lose the weight? What if it was your partner?
  • Laurence

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    Nov 26, 2007 2:01 PM GMT
    Haven't these people got anything better to do studies on.

    I've got a little bit more to worry about than my friend's waistlines. As long as they are happy and healthy, I am not going to lose sleep over this.

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    Nov 26, 2007 2:23 PM GMT
    you were probably 57% more likely to be arrested by the nazis if your friends were jewish in 1930's germany too!
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    Nov 26, 2007 2:29 PM GMT
    hmm if stats determined our lives, then none of us should eat fast food, go tanning, drink, smoke, or drive american cars.

    I'm sure the list could go on.
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    Nov 26, 2007 2:45 PM GMT
    OOOOHHH! RedBull, you tickle me with this thread. NONE of these jocks on here have fat friends or (this kills me) a fat lover! I'm pretty sure that article was aimed at fat people with fat friends who have a big impact on them, encourage them to eat more, exercise less.
    The only ones on here who know fat people are the chasers like me, which I doubt there are many of those. (mmmmm, fat guys message me) LOL!
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    Nov 26, 2007 2:49 PM GMT
    while the topic title is shocking, there is a legitimate point made. you are more likely to "fall to peer pressure" by those you keep around you, be they family or friends.

    if you hang out with friends that drink a lot, you're more likely to drink.

    if you hang out with friends that smoke a lot, you're more likely to smoke.

    if you hang out with people that eat lavishly and frequently, you're more likely to also eat lavishly and frequently.

    i don't advocate kicking your friends to the curb, but i do advocate being the trend setter rather than the trend follower. you are here on this health and fitness site so spread the word and be an example rather than taking from example. be aware of the propensity of people to follow along in what their friends and family are doing.
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    Nov 26, 2007 2:51 PM GMT
    guiltygear, i have several fat friends icon_smile.gif while i'm far from being an angel, i have gotten some of my suggestions to be taken seriously and some of them have lost a lot of their fatness.
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    Nov 26, 2007 2:53 PM GMT
    I don't think those numbers say that if you have fat friends you will be fat too. It just says people tend to congregate with others who are in their same weight class. I doubt it means being fat is contagious. Correlation does not imply association. What would prove that being fat is contagious is if the study showed that after being healthy and fit people tended to get fat after making new friends who were fat and the same held true if the person didn't become fat after making new friends who weren't all that into fitness but still not fat. Otherwise the article seems to be reaching for something that isn't there.
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    Nov 26, 2007 5:34 PM GMT
    This makes perfect sense to me.

    That's why it's so important to not be all-accepting, and so important to be judgmental and in doing so to set a standard for yourself, and others that you choose to allow close to you.

    When you don't the bar lowers for everyone. E.g. the obesity pandemic, as above.

    It sounds a bit exclusive, and, I suppose it is, but there is a very simple reality here: rocket scientists hang out with rocket scientists and build rockets. Fat folks hang out and eat. Beautiful people hang and with beautiful people and workout. Pot heads hang out with pot heads, and get high. Seems pretty common sense, honestly, when you think about it to any degree. There's a certain degree of osmosis that occurs, like, it or not.

    What amazing to me is when I get dick pics from fat folks, thinking I might desire them sexually for some reason. That's just silly. Sending dick pics is silly. Another whole topic, I suppose.

    Firefighter kind of hits a point of lead, follow, or get out of the way. E.g. if I have a friend who gives up working out, let's say, and starting hanging with fat folks, for whatever reason, then, I'd coach him on how to begin recovery, and, if didn't respond, it would be time to cut him loose. Cutting him loose may not be the answer if we were close friends, but, I certainly wouldn't get involved with the fat folks. I.e., I'd probably coach him on recovery, and so on, but, the savior complex only goes so far. Our personal relationship would likely fade to some degrees (interests change) but probably wouldn't completely end. If it was just an acquaintance, I'd cut them loose.

    With regard to the concept of obesity clusters, think about the typical office group of girls, or guys. We've all seen them. That group that sits up a table of food at Halloween and keep it there until New Year's. Certainly the study validates that "cluster" of folks congregating around that food, and also their rationalization of their collective bad behavior in regard to it: if Sally is going to eat fudge, then, I'm going to eat fudge, too. To me, that all seem very simple, very logical, and part of the human condition. Of course, there ARE obesity clusters, and bad behavior IS contagious. That's also part of the human condition.

    There's big money in keeping folks unhealthy. I'd lay odds this study gets put on the back burner, but, in reality, it's just common sense 101.

    To quote that oldest of old sayest, "When in Rome do as The Romans do." Folks rationalize behavior and certainly being around food constantly and fat folks and that whole unhealthy lifestyle is not a very good thing.

    Spock also says this:
    In an insane society, a sane man must appear as insane, in order to be regarded as sane. Call it peer pressure if you wish.

    At the end of the day, it's honestly probably best not to associate with those people because of the various obvious reasons pointed out by the study and just plain common sense 101.
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    Nov 26, 2007 5:57 PM GMT
    ^^That's ridiculous^^^

    esp. the "Rocket scientists hang out with rocket scientists."

    There is a lot to learn from other people if you are smart enough.
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    Nov 26, 2007 6:02 PM GMT

    That still doesn't change common sense 101 and congregating with folks in bad behavior.

    There's a saying, which surely you've heard: "birds of a feather."

    Learning is fine, but, peer pressure is what it is, and hanging out in bad situations is what it is.
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    Nov 26, 2007 6:02 PM GMT
    Being fat is contagious??? Oh come on!

    Muscular Development must really have a really low opinion of it's readers if they are going to feed them that kind of garbage and expect them to believe it. It sounds to me like the kind of crap that perpetuates the sick kind of thinking that comes with body dysmorphic disorder, and also gives those same people (who are already self-conscious and self-centered in the extreme) a way to rationalize being snobbish and cliquey... something we were, in theory, supposed to have outgrown in our teens!

    owl975 is 100% right... the article is reaching for something that isn't there. Nobody is ever 100% the company they keep... and if they are, they've completely lost themselves.
  • auryn

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    Nov 26, 2007 6:11 PM GMT
    Oh Nooos! I'm all kinds of messed up then... I have friends that smoke, but I don't. I have pot head friends, but can't stand the smell of it so I don't do it. I have fat friends, my ex was pudgy while I was a skinny bitch. Now, I have a bf that's 140lbs and doesn't workout and I'm 150lbs with 17% body fat. I'm so worried.

    I should be a fat, pot smoking, nicotine addict, but I'm not. What's wrong with me? icon_cry.gif I eat well and workout 5 days a week, inspite of their habits. I'm not normal. Where is the help for folks like me that find having a wide variety of friends,yet maintaining my individuality, to be a good thing?
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    Nov 26, 2007 6:11 PM GMT
    If you hang out in a bar, sooner, or later, you'll likely drink unless you're the strongest of willed. No matter what, in that setting you'd like be exposed to smoke.

    If you hang out around folks who have comfort foods nearby and who have a culture around food, sooner or later, you'll be eating more.

    Not 100% of all folks who smoke will get lung cancer, but, many will. Not 100% of folks who hang out with fat folks are going to pick up that disorder (the study said 37%), but, some percentage will. The study said you'd be more likely, which is common sense, and not that there would be 100% conversion to the fat disorder. You need to re-read it. It makes perfect sense.

    Being selective in who we allow into our lives is highly important. Allowing a standard (you call it being a snob), or being selective / hanging with folks of common interest (you call it being cliquey) is very important.

    Lowering yourself to the lowest common denominator not only is not good for you, but, also doesn't advance society. That's why the obesity pandemic is pandemic. We're way to accepting of all that bad behavior and social irresponsibility.

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    Nov 26, 2007 6:15 PM GMT
    There's a weekly satsang here in town, and there's an overweight lady with food addictions who often brings cookies and candies to share with the group. The sense I get is that she feels better about her junk food addiction if she has people around her who are also eating the same crap. So, I can see how and why people with poor eating habits might tend to stick together.
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    Nov 26, 2007 6:17 PM GMT
    She's a "pusher." Her drug is food. Perhaps "enabler" is a better term. Many folks don't succumb to this though, as it's a different setting.

    She probably doesn't take that view on it, but, the bottom line is that she wants to share her addiction / bad behavior, and feels more comfortable when others are doing it with her.

    Pass me the pumpkin pie. (I'm craving it this morning.)

    What this study says, again, to me is common sense. In a sentence: if you hang out with fat folks you're 37% more likely to get fat. I agree with that. All the other stuff aside, it makes perfect sense. It never said 100% conversion to the disorder. It said 37%, which, to me, seems very reasonable.
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    Nov 26, 2007 6:21 PM GMT
    Chucky, Chucky, Chucky, what? The only way to advance society is to hang with people who are like you only? Hmmmm,I guess that is the reason America is called the melting pot.I guess that is the reason my ancestors marched and demonstrated during the civil rights movement. I guess that is why our homosexual community stuggles for equality everyday. Equality, that is the name of the game,Chucky. What you are advocating is discrimination and I really am shocked. You only hang with your own kind? I wonder, does that mean you don't like black people?
  • BlackJock79

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    Nov 26, 2007 6:36 PM GMT
    My Momma always said you are the company you eat. I mean keep. LOL, I think this could be true though. I used to live with a relative that was fat. She would complain about being fat and when I would ask her if she wanted to go to the gym she would decline even though she got a membership at the same time I got mine. Sometimes I would pass on the gym to just chill with her and we would eat fatty foods. Then she would complain that I never gain weight and it's not fair, blah, blah, blah. I think she was trying to fatten me... LOL! I'm out of there now and it's so much easier for me to eat healthier and go to the gym now.
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    Nov 26, 2007 6:41 PM GMT

    The study says is you're 37% more likely to be obese if you hang out with fat folks.

    I've seen your comments regarding pictureless.

    Certainly, there can be knowledge gained in certain level of risk-taking. Much good knowledge involves just that. However, I have no interest in some cultures and that doesn't make me a bigot.

    I'm not interested in cross-dressing, fat folks, skat, piss, water sports, acting like a girl or any such thing. That does not mean that I wouldn't defend someone's right to do whatever to their body. In fact, I'm very liberal in all that. That doesn't mean I have newly desired interest in one night stands, or distant relationships (since you imply that), or that sort of standard. That also doesn't mean I'm interested in hip hop at 0200, or Ebonics or so on. Choosing not to hang out with cross-dressers, or whatever sub-culture it is, doesn't make one a bigot, but, means they set a standard for those they choose to be around. I would always protect your right to speak non-English, etc. I may not choose to deal with it, though. Choosing not to deal with it doesn't make me less of a person.

    E.g. if the Wendy's on Main Street fucks up my order every time because no one understands English there, I have three choices: 1. Put up with it. 2. Go to a different store. 3. Don't go to Wendy's. In my case, I go to the store that speaks American-English (the language of the land), and I support the stores, and managers, that hire staff that are native American-English speakers. That's my way of reinforcing good behavior, and not rewarding managers and stores that hire illegals.

    My picture is right up there with my smiling face. My name is right there to, in the over 40 bb of the week picture. I've been to Gay Pride a number of times. That does not mean I have to associate with the outer fringe of gay culture. I would submit that guys like me advance acceptance because we're out there for all to see. On more than one occasion, I've heard, "Dude, you're way cool for a bi / gay guy!"

    Folks like the pictureless, and those that would support bad behavior (hip hop OR country and western at 0200 is gonna' piss me off) is huge disservice to society and certainly doesn't advance tolerance.

    Saying that hanging out with fat folks doesn't increase your chance of bad behavior, or saying that if you hang out with smokers, etc, doesnt' increase your chance of engaging in that behavior is stupid.

    Calling someone a bigot for making choices about setting a standard for those they wish to be around is bigotry of the worst kind. That's why society thinks gay folks are freaks. They've just seen the outer fringes so many times: the cross dressers, the limp wristers, the fems and so on. Reality is, of course, very different.

    When I put my smiling face and my name up is shows folks I'm o.k. with who I am.

    That doesn't mean I have one night stands with out-of-towners.
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    Nov 26, 2007 6:50 PM GMT
    If smokers have twice as many sick days, should they be "equal" to regular people? Don't talk about equality here. This thing is about social responsibility.

    I'm considered at zero risk of MI(Myocardial Infarction / Heart Attack). Should I pay the same amount of insurance as a fat person who smokes who never exercises who is now diabetic? Of course, not.

    You confuse equality with accountability. Fat folks should be held accountable for their behavior in insurance rates, and so on.

    You're 7 times more likely to have disease costing over 100K if you smoke are obese. Should you be considered "equal?" Of course, not.

    I've never had a gun pulled on me by a white person, ever. I can't say that about other races. Do I want to be part of that culture? Of course not. Does that make me a bigot? Of course not. It says I don't want to be involved in a culture of guns and violence.
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    Nov 26, 2007 7:01 PM GMT
    chuckystudBeing selective in who we allow into our lives is highly important.

    I don't dispute this... I agree 100%, in fact. But to say that hanging out with overweight people will eventually make you overweight is typical of the closed, self-righteous thinking that is typical of a clique of teenagers who will (and often do) ostracize the person in or outside of their group who decides to follow his/her own way of living.

    It's that kind of mindset that prevents a person from seeing that that an individual can make their own friendships and be their own person no matter what the environment provides. An idea like that is very appealing (and often dangerous) to a person who so insecure about themselves that they constantly needs approval from the outside about how they look and who they are.... like most teenagers who are in a clique!

    Hence I say again, Muscular Development must have a real low opinion of its readers.
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    Nov 26, 2007 7:07 PM GMT
    Not the survey, nor I, ever said that. Go re-read above. It said, you're 37% more likely to become a fatso if you hang out with fatsos. Period. Nothing more; nothing less. It makes perfect sense. The survey didn't say not to associate with fat folks, nor did I. It said you're 37% more likely to be fat if you hang with them. Period. I said that it's important not to reward that bad behavior. I said I didn't want to hang out with folks that put their personal health at such a low priority. I have no interest in knowing them, or any of a variety of other cultures. I said that doesn't mean I wouldn't defend their right to do what they want with their body, but, they should be accountable for their 7 times greater risk of premature death than a healthy person. I said that I shouldn't have to pay the same health insurance rates in the interest of equal, because, we're not.

    And, I hold firm that the only way to ever really get a grip on the obesity pandemic is to make it unacceptable to be so fat.

    Having a kid 50 pounds overweight? Where are the parents? There is NO social responsibility nor good parenting, in allowing that.

    Yes, we need to use teenage-style peer pressure here to save some lives. About 6.5 MILLION folks die, NEEDLESSLY, from obesity, ANNUALLY. There's no excuse for such reckless behavior. You don't wake up one morning 50# overweight.

    It's that acceptance that allowed them to become so ill in the first place! THINK!

    Had someone not been accepting of these people, and INTERVENED, at an early age, chances are they might not be so unhealthy. It's that very acceptance that empowers their premature DEATH.

    You have to begin to develop some critical thinking skills and think in the long term and in the big picture. Your short-sighted view is appauling, and why these folks are sick.
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    Nov 26, 2007 7:22 PM GMT
    Common sense is common sense, no matter how you try to rebut it. No matter how you try to sell it, if you hang out with fat folks, you're more likely to be fat. Same with drug users, or gym goers or whatever. There are trends and they are common sense 101 sorts of things.

    You can try to twist it around, but, it really gets down to just plain old critical thinking, and cause and effect. At some point, folks have to become accountable for their own actions.

    In the case of fat folks, 6.5 million folks die every year, annually, needlessly, because of our casual acceptance / negligence about their obesity. The acceptance is dereliction of duty to the human race, honestly, to let that happen. You'd advocate letting them die, needlessly. That's a pity,....that you'd be a party to their deaths via negligence (you call it acceptance). That's WRONG. Being an enabler to anything goes is wrong. It's that attitude that's allowed it to perpetuate.

    It's that very complacency, and acceptance, that allowed the pandemic to begin with. Had someone stepped in and said wait, just a minute....

    Some schools now are getting it right, and sending home health report cards, saying your kid is a D on the fat level, and a B in academia. Unfortunately, because of bad parenting, the schools are now getting involved, and because of the huge number of deaths involved, it's probably a good thing.

    Sound of mind, and sound of body, is important.

    I will NOT be an enabler to all that illness. I think it's wrong that you would. We'll agree to disagree.
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    Nov 26, 2007 7:27 PM GMT
    It's not common sense.... it's hive-mentality thinking. It's "we're-better-than-they-are-because-we-say-so" thinking. It's the same kind of bullshit you see in the women's fashion magazines that say "you have to look a certain way or your worthless and you deserve whatever mean-spirited criticism falls on you."

    It's immature, self-righteous snobbery.... and it makes great copy in magazines for people who live for (and on) that kind of thinking.

    redbull, does the article say who these scientists are and who funded their research? Because even if it does say, I am certain that if they are writing for Muscle Development (which is essentially a sport-interest magazine), it's a little harder to take them at their word rather than if they were writing for an impartial scientific journal dedicated to the problems over which chuckystud is getting himself hysterical and xenophobic.

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    Nov 26, 2007 7:30 PM GMT
    No, it isn't.

    We are talking about people dieing, needlessly, to the tune of 6.5 million. That you'd actually want to be a party to it is revolting.

    It's about saving lives. It's about rewarding good behavior.

    How you get that so twisted is amazing to me.

    You'd rather watch them die. SHAME ON YOU.