Why can some guys smoke cigarettes, and still have great bulging muscles???

  • twonutbuster

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    Jul 14, 2009 11:15 AM GMT
    I always see men smoking, and they have fantastic muscles.
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    Jul 14, 2009 11:17 AM GMT
    smoking doesn't stop you from building muscle, it just kills you slowly
  • rnch

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    Jul 14, 2009 12:49 PM GMT
    excellent body building doner DNA can triumph onver mental stupidity and physical addiction to nicotine.
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    Jul 14, 2009 1:59 PM GMT
    actually the smoke creates the muscles. they donĀ“t even have to work out


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    Jul 14, 2009 2:02 PM GMT


    ...the same reason you see big muscled guys drinking at bars every day....


    ....eating at McD's every day....
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    Jul 14, 2009 2:16 PM GMT
    Maybe its all smoke and mirrorsicon_smile.gif

    People have been smoking since Sir Walter Raleigh brought the first tobacco to England more than 400 years. King James I went on a big tear about it shortly after and had little effect. It takes a longtime to change culture, and some people say that smoking relaxes them, takes the edge off. It's definitely a bad thing, but so are lots of other things people do. When I become perfect I will feel free to criticize others' bad habits.
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    Jul 14, 2009 3:56 PM GMT
    Stupid people are stupid.

    You don't win minds through laws, nor misinformation, nor even punitive action, as "The War on Drugs" has so adeptly demonstrated.

    You win minds by changing popular culture. Ever notice that shorts are short anymore? Stupid, but, somehow, how it is.

    You change popular culture by being honest; pointing out FACT versus fiction, and being reasonable in your risk assessment.

    Smokers stink.
    Smokers die young.
    Smokers miss twice as many days from work.
    Smokers are 10 times more likely to cost the health system 100K or more, than a regular person.
    They're sick on continuous basis. It's normal to be able to breathe.

    By far, and above, the biggest killer is obesity / fat asses. Big Pharm, Big Medicine, Big Food, Big Clothes, The "nutrition" business, all make huge sums of money (1.4 BILLION for Lipitor ALONE) treating the sickness caused by improper diet. They have a vested interest in disease treatment as opposed to wellness promotion.

    Why do folks overeat? Why do folks drink? Why do folks smoke? All, when these behavior are clearly the most dangerous of every day life? Because it's not socially acceptable in popular culture to call them out on their cost to themselves, their loved ones, and society, and so many folk stand to line their pockets from the status quo.

    I had a friend die this spring, at 49, who was wealthy, from COPD. Did he stop smoking? No. I put my mom in the grave from COPD, May 30'th of this year. They both died before their time, with much suffering, and with much cost to the system. STUPID.

    Unless folks get some sound judgment, and say things like "your 12 your old kid is 50 pounds overweight and FLUNKS P.E. class", or "I will not give you a job as long a you smoke." we'll not see very rapid change. Treatments will get better, and more expensive, more pills will get pushed, and more money spent, but, more folks will die NEEDLESSLY.

    We're should slap some parents around that have fat kids, but, guess what, the parents are fat asses, too.

    We have to become more responsible as a people and stop letting corporate America shove crap down our throats, while we put some guy in jail for pot, or testosterone.

    The way it is now goes beyond ridiculous.

    It starts with parenting and goes from there.

    When we see a fat kid, we need to tell his parents to either do a better job, or else.

    The world's fattest kid is in Houston, 17 years old. 880 pounds. His mother feeds him because she "loves him so much." His mother needs a spanking. Her indifference, her own mental illness, and society's non-interference, is killing the kid.

    It's high time we pass a bit more judgment on some folks.
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    Jul 14, 2009 4:08 PM GMT
    What I want to know is why people take up smoking now, when they know how dangerous it is.
    Folks used to smoke because it made them look cool, and there wasn't much medical data pointing out the dangers.
    Everyone now knows it's like playing Russian Roulette, so it must be picked up as a bad habit because of low self-esteem or other underlying psychological triggers.
    Any ideas on why people would want to start smoking cigarettes today?
    And yes, you can have muscles while you actively smoke. But I wouldn't bet on their health in the long-term.
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    Jul 14, 2009 4:12 PM GMT


    chuckystud said,



    "I had a friend die this spring, at 49, who was wealthy, from COPD. Did he stop smoking? No. I put my mom in the grave from COPD, May 30'th of this year. They both died before their time, with much suffering, and with much cost to the system. STUPID."

    "When we see a fat kid, we need to tell his parents to either do a better job, or else."

    and finally....


    "It's high time we pass a bit more judgment on some folks."


    Really? So what judgement should we all pass on your friend and your MOTHER that loved you so much?



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    Jul 14, 2009 6:10 PM GMT
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    chuckystud said,



    "I had a friend die this spring, at 49, who was wealthy, from COPD. Did he stop smoking? No. I put my mom in the grave from COPD, May 30'th of this year. They both died before their time, with much suffering, and with much cost to the system. STUPID."

    "When we see a fat kid, we need to tell his parents to either do a better job, or else."

    and finally....


    "It's high time we pass a bit more judgment on some folks."


    Really? So what judgement should we all pass on your friend and your MOTHER that loved you so much?





    That's not quite fair, i think Chucky already said something about that.. "STUPID" .. he called the whole thing stupid - and he's right. It shouldn't have had to be that way and everything could have been so much better for both friend and mother if they DIDN'T.... Ruthless/pointless attack imo icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jul 14, 2009 6:23 PM GMT
    antelope saidMaybe its all smoke and mirrorsicon_smile.gif

    People have been smoking since Sir Walter Raleigh brought the first tobacco to England more than 400 years. King James I went on a big tear about it shortly after and had little effect. It takes a longtime to change culture, and some people say that smoking relaxes them, takes the edge off. It's definitely a bad thing, but so are lots of other things people do. When I become perfect I will feel free to criticize others' bad habits.


    Thank you sir for being respectful.
    For anyone who wants to quit, try getting the flu and having it for a week or two! After all that time being too sick to get out of bed to puff, i just decided to not do it anymore. And besides, it's getting too expensive a habit to pick up again.
    And yes, it is all smoke and mirrors, haha!
    Maybe it's just me, but when i see a hot muscular guy smoking, i think it's kinda sexy. icon_wink.gif
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jul 14, 2009 6:29 PM GMT
    They may have a nice chest, but what do their lungs look like?
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    Jul 14, 2009 6:45 PM GMT
    as an ex smoker i don't know how some of these guys can do it. smoking now disgusts me and i can't see how these guys can maintain their bodies while smoking, whatever though. We all control our own futures, so you won't see me getting in someones face about it.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jul 14, 2009 7:16 PM GMT
    Well someone could ask.... how could that heroin addict perform or look healthy or anything I suppose.

    I can say that when I see people smoke on their way out of the gym I stare at them... I uncomfortably give them a stare... and I don't give a damn if they are offended.
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    Jul 14, 2009 7:47 PM GMT
    It was stupid for those folks to die before their time.
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    Jul 14, 2009 7:58 PM GMT
    I honestly don't care if people smoke. What cracks me up is when I see people hang out in the gym parking lot and smoke, either before they workout or right after. Sheesh. icon_lol.gif
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    Jul 14, 2009 8:12 PM GMT
    sxydrkhair saidMy doctor told me that smoking will make your penis weak and lowering your sperm count.


    They ought to print that on the packet...

    I mean words like Lung cancer and emphysema when your 70 just pounce off most teenage boys brains

    Impotence on the other hand, just might get through there
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    Jul 14, 2009 8:55 PM GMT


    Cobalt said, " That's not quite fair, i think Chucky already said something about that.. "STUPID" .. he called the whole thing stupid - and he's right. It shouldn't have had to be that way and everything could have been so much better for both friend and mother if they DIDN'T.... Ruthless/pointless attack imo"

    Well, here's a bit more from his post..."Unless folks get some sound judgment, and say things like "your 12 your old kid is 50 pounds overweight and FLUNKS P.E. class", or "I will not give you a job as long a you smoke." we'll not see very rapid change. Treatments will get better, and more expensive, more pills will get pushed, and more money spent, but, more folks will die NEEDLESSLY.

    We're should slap some parents around that have fat kids, but, guess what, the parents are fat asses, too."


    ...while we agree on 'needlessly', we think it tacky to be judging other parents, like the ones that should be 'slapped around', and applying a different yardstick to your own.

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    Jul 14, 2009 11:10 PM GMT
    chuckystud saidStupid people are stupid.


    People are a mass of contradictions. By which I mean individual people as well as people in general.

    I have a friend who is brilliant and extraordinarily disciplined in some areas of his life, but he's extremely overweight. Extremely. He's lost weight during some periods of life and then gained it back.

    He also smoked for most of his life, having started when he was very young, probably around 11. He stopped smoking several years ago, and that made him gain weight. Well, I'm not speaking literally. It didn't precisely make him gain weight. But many people use smoking as a substitute for eating.

    Many smart and brilliant people of the past and present have smoked and have overeaten and become enormously fat.

    So there's no connection between being smart and not smoking and not overeating.

    chuckystud said
    You don't win minds through laws, nor misinformation, nor even punitive action, as "The War on Drugs" has so adeptly demonstrated.

    You win minds by changing popular culture. Ever notice that shorts are short anymore? Stupid, but, somehow, how it is.

    You change popular culture by being honest; pointing out FACT versus fiction, and being reasonable in your risk assessment.

    Smokers stink.
    Smokers die young.
    Smokers miss twice as many days from work.
    Smokers are 10 times more likely to cost the health system 100K or more, than a regular person.
    They're sick on continuous basis. It's normal to be able to breathe.

    By far, and above, the biggest killer is obesity / fat asses. Big Pharm, Big Medicine, Big Food, Big Clothes, The "nutrition" business, all make huge sums of money (1.4 BILLION for Lipitor ALONE) treating the sickness caused by improper diet. They have a vested interest in disease treatment as opposed to wellness promotion.

    Why do folks overeat? Why do folks drink? Why do folks smoke? All, when these behavior are clearly the most dangerous of every day life? Because it's not socially acceptable in popular culture to call them out on their cost to themselves, their loved ones, and society, and so many folk stand to line their pockets from the status quo.

    I had a friend die this spring, at 49, who was wealthy, from COPD. Did he stop smoking? No. I put my mom in the grave from COPD, May 30'th of this year. They both died before their time, with much suffering, and with much cost to the system. STUPID.

    Unless folks get some sound judgment, and say things like "your 12 your old kid is 50 pounds overweight and FLUNKS P.E. class", or "I will not give you a job as long a you smoke." we'll not see very rapid change. Treatments will get better, and more expensive, more pills will get pushed, and more money spent, but, more folks will die NEEDLESSLY.

    We're should slap some parents around that have fat kids, but, guess what, the parents are fat asses, too.

    We have to become more responsible as a people and stop letting corporate America shove crap down our throats, while we put some guy in jail for pot, or testosterone.

    The way it is now goes beyond ridiculous.

    It starts with parenting and goes from there.

    When we see a fat kid, we need to tell his parents to either do a better job, or else.

    The world's fattest kid is in Houston, 17 years old. 880 pounds. His mother feeds him because she "loves him so much." His mother needs a spanking. Her indifference, her own mental illness, and society's non-interference, is killing the kid.

    It's high time we pass a bit more judgment on some folks.


    I don't think we change people's behavior by passing judgment on them. "Calling people out" is unlikely to change people's behavior. It may simply make them cling to those behaviors more stubbornly.

    That's not to say I have the answer. I don't. If I did, my friend who's very overweight would have lost weight and kept it off long ago.

    I'm not sure there is an answer.

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    Jul 14, 2009 11:19 PM GMT
    At some point, folks have to become personally responsible for their behavior, with a high responsibility to civilization.
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    Jul 14, 2009 11:39 PM GMT
    chuckystud saidAt some point, folks have to become personally responsible for their behavior, with a high responsibility to civilization.


    Then how come society seems to progress with people increasingly searching for others to take responsibility for their choices


    aka this financial crisis...where it's the banks, and the regulators and the government...where everyone but the individual is responsible

    It seems as time progresses, it only more someone else fault and less mine
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    Jul 14, 2009 11:45 PM GMT



    At this point, through education in both countries (Canada and the US) smoking rates have plunged in the last 30 years. there are around 50 million smokers in the US; 30 years ago it was closer to 100 million. People are quitting or not starting.
    Every year in the US alone, 46 percent of all smokers try to quit.
    Do we slap them and call them stupid or encourage them to keep trying?

    In Canada the national average is now only around 18% smokers from 26% in 2000. It was about 40% thirty years ago.

    Education, smoking restrictions and advertising etc do work, just not as fast as some would like.