Illegal Downloads

  • maximumrisk

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    Jul 14, 2009 10:24 PM GMT
    hey guys,

    Today I was on a Date and on some clue we came to the theme of Illegal Downloading how it is represented in Guatemala. After telling him that I myself use them from time to time I could really see in his face that that was a Dealbreaker. So that was about it.

    Now I am asking myself whats the big deal? I get that is ILLEGAL and that done by to many it hurts the Economy, but this is not the States. about 30% of the People living in Guatemala earn their money by selling piratecopys of Movies,Games, Music and Software. On the market you actually find more of those stores then people that sell food or allday articles.

    So what is your opinion on the matter?
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    Jul 14, 2009 10:42 PM GMT
    that he was being high and mighty in the matter..
    thats my opinion
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    Jul 14, 2009 10:45 PM GMT
    Same situation as Guatemala.

    Not to mention that if not for piracy, some movies/books/music/software etc. would never even reach our country. Because there are no distributors.

    Not to mention the prices. First world countries take for granted that, say, $5.00 is cheap to them.

    To the rest of the world that's what they earn in a week, not in an hour.

    In our country, the DVD and music distributors have responded by lowering the prices to 3rd world country levels. And it's been moderately successful so far. But not by much. Entertainment don't factor much into the budget when money is tight.

    As part of a game development team myself I wouldn't like to see people pirating the game we have sweated blood over when we go commercial, but it's also sometimes a good thing. As the broader distribution range of pirated goods gives it more publicity and entices more people to buy it. So the loss to piracy is mitigated somewhat.

    Software and games company have capitalized on this fact by releasing a standalone build with features/addons that can only be accessed by registering online. That way even if they do get pirated, if they like the game/software they'd have to buy it to get the additional stuff. And it works.

    I do not see how this would be viable for music and movies though (although DVD extras are somewhat like this too). Much of the most active proponents against piracy are usually the artists who earn megabucks anyway. I also usually buy stuff that I actually like especially if they're indie/struggling artists.

    I'm still pretty divided about it.

    Just that without piracy, illiteracy and ignorance would have been much higher in 3rd world countries. It's like an information underground, where people who would otherwise have been kept in the dark are also included. Although the recent youtube country restrictions is already casting a disturbing cloud over that. It's apparently better that we don't know of the existence of the artist at all simply because we live in a country where their distributors do not sell them.

    Evil.

    P.S. on your date. If THAT was a dealbreaker for him, I'm glad you found that out before you found out about the rest of his dealbreakers LOL. Lemme guess... he's an industry exec?
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    Jul 14, 2009 10:49 PM GMT
    he sounds über uptight. In Chile people cannot afford the western import prices. you see pirate stuff EVERYWHERE. I don´t like it much, but I´m happy to watch a film on youtube, which is morally the same. Not ideal, but there are worse things going on.
  • maximumrisk

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    Jul 14, 2009 11:05 PM GMT
    @Sedative:

    you guessed right, he has his own Company, but he is selling Houses. So nothing to do with that.
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    Jul 14, 2009 11:10 PM GMT
    Still he's of the upper class am I right? i.e. He can afford to be high and mighty. People like that usually hold people who aren't of their level of wealth with disdain. As if poverty was a choice. icon_razz.gif

    (yeah for some it is, LOL, but for the vast majority it's much more complex than simply being lazy)
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    Jul 14, 2009 11:19 PM GMT
    I dated a guy that made a snide comment about me downloading music.

    So I made a snide comment about him downloading pictures from Flickr and making them into large prints to hang on his walls.

    He shut up after that.
  • DCEric

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    Jul 15, 2009 2:42 AM GMT
    maximumrisk said about 30% of the People living in Guatemala earn their money by selling piratecopys of Movies,Games, Music and Software.


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  • jrs1

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    Jul 15, 2009 2:58 AM GMT

    I admit that I occasionally download music. But I don't give much thought to the matter. I can't wait to buy food directly from farmer's markets, pay local artists to perform, and travel to purchase clothing items directly from vendors.

    Deal breaker? That guy was a bit judgmental then.
  • FITBOY101

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    Jul 15, 2009 3:00 AM GMT
    jprichva saidI dated a guy who complained about my downloading.
    I pointed out that I never said a word when he hacked his parents to death with an axe and then smeared their blood all over his face.

    He shut up after that.




    LMFAO....LOL...LOL..LOL
  • maximumrisk

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    Jul 15, 2009 3:40 AM GMT
    DCEric: I cant give you I direct sitation of matter, but I am happy to make you a Video of the market in the small town where I live or maybe the Store next door might be enough, they just sell movies, but I think you get my point.

    Jprichva: Dont know whats funny about it, but thanks for the comment.icon_cool.gif
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    Jul 15, 2009 4:35 AM GMT
    Shocked and appalled - OMG, my momma told me there were bad people out there, but I had no idea! You mean to tell me people download music - illegally? Please, say it isn't so. My rosy tinted glasses are getting all misty - or is it my eyes. I just cant believe there are people who would do such evil things - it just puts all the gun runners, child slavers and other good folks to shame. icon_confused.gif
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    Jul 15, 2009 4:41 AM GMT
    how old was this guy? Most people in their 20s download music for free. Most of the people I know have days upon days worth of music on their itunes, none of which was acquired legally. Not to mention a whole external drive with movies we've distributed amongst each other.
  • Delivis

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    Jul 15, 2009 5:03 AM GMT
    I have tens of thousands of MP3s, i have never bought music in my life, grew up in the Napster age.
  • silverfox

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    Jul 15, 2009 5:04 AM GMT
    Delivis saidI have tens of thousands of MP3s, i have never bought music in my life, grew up in the Napster age.



    Cybercop- meet Delvis.....

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  • maximumrisk

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    Jul 15, 2009 5:30 AM GMT
    Delivis saidI have tens of thousands of MP3s, i have never bought music in my life, grew up in the Napster age.


    jeje, the old times icon_smile.gif
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    Jul 15, 2009 5:33 AM GMT
    Delivis saidI have tens of thousands of MP3s, i have never bought music in my life, grew up in the Napster age.

    I used to as well, but I've recently started buying it again from itunes when they stopped with the stupid DRM.. I'm now actually enjoying music better because I'm making more selective choices about music..

    I suppose there is something to be said about buying it..
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    Jul 15, 2009 3:02 PM GMT
    As a working musician, I have no problem with downloading and I don't know any musician personally who does (I can say this because I don't know Metallica). This is going to sound cheesy, but in the age of mp3 blogging, Waffle's.fm and Sordo Media there's a far greater chance that people will hear my band than ever before.

    Sites like myspace have made it so that we can book our own tours independently. So when people around the world download our record, I think "Great, now someone will know about us when we finally make it to that city". While I can't guarantee that people will like our music, in my bands case and the case of many other bands, filesharing has saved many thousands of dollars in advertising and publicity.

    It's also made the distribution of music much easier. Now bands are able to bypass labels entirely and secure distribution much easier and in many cases bypassing distribution entirely making a band far more self sufficient and saving bands a lot of money.

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    Jul 15, 2009 11:20 PM GMT
    maximumrisk saidhey guys,

    Today I was on a Date and on some clue we came to the theme of Illegal Downloading how it is represented in Guatemala. After telling him that I myself use them from time to time I could really see in his face that that was a Dealbreaker. So that was about it.

    Now I am asking myself whats the big deal? I get that is ILLEGAL and that done by to many it hurts the Economy, but this is not the States. about 30% of the People living in Guatemala earn their money by selling piratecopys of Movies,Games, Music and Software. On the market you actually find more of those stores then people that sell food or allday articles.

    So what is your opinion on the matter?


    People like this usually are doing far worse things. Thats the funny thing.
    The guy probably went home, broke out his stash of blow and counted the money he has stolen over the months from work.
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    Jul 15, 2009 11:30 PM GMT
    I have no time for people that try and take a moral highground on me.

    Have your principals and stick by them and i'll admire you and never question them, but if you try and claim you're a better person than me...that's a dealbreaker

    I believe the system is there to be worked to my advantage, and if that makes me an unscrupulous immoral individual in anyone's eyes ....It makes you them a loser
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    Jul 15, 2009 11:32 PM GMT
    Theft is theft. It belongs to someone else, not you. The fact that you are clever enough to download something illegally does not make it legal.

    Now whether or not that should be a "dealbreaker" is another question. But for you to pretend that it's perfectly acceptable may be his problem, not that you had done it in the first place.

    As for the States vs. Guatemala, there are international copyright agreements. It may be harder to prosecute these thefts down there, but they are still thefts.

    I dislike rationalizations for self-serving purposes. Sorry, but you are wrong.
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    Jul 15, 2009 11:57 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa saidTheft is theft. It belongs to someone else, not you. The fact that you are clever enough to download something illegally does not make it legal.

    Now whether or not that should be a "dealbreaker" is another question. But for you to pretend that it's perfectly acceptable may be his problem, not that you had done it in the first place.

    As for the States vs. Guatemala, there are international copyright agreements. It may be harder to prosecute these thefts down there, but they are still thefts.

    I dislike rationalizations for self-serving purposes. Sorry, but you are wrong.


    illegality and immorality are two very different concepts icon_rolleyes.gif

    Illegality is to be decided by a justice system in a court room, and after all a law is completely useless if it has proved to be completely unenforceable as it has...

    To propose an argument there's a lot of countries(and some states still I believe) where gay sex is illegal...doesn't make it immoral
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    Jul 16, 2009 12:28 AM GMT
    MsclDrew said
    Red_Vespa saidTheft is theft. It belongs to someone else, not you. The fact that you are clever enough to download something illegally does not make it legal.

    Now whether or not that should be a "dealbreaker" is another question. But for you to pretend that it's perfectly acceptable may be his problem, not that you had done it in the first place.

    As for the States vs. Guatemala, there are international copyright agreements. It may be harder to prosecute these thefts down there, but they are still thefts.

    I dislike rationalizations for self-serving purposes. Sorry, but you are wrong.


    illegality and immorality are two very different concepts icon_rolleyes.gif

    Illegality is to be decided by a justice system in a court room, and after all a law is completely useless if it has proved to be completely unenforceable as it has...

    To propose an argument there's a lot of countries(and some states still I believe) where gay sex is illegal...doesn't make it immoral


    Agreed. The average consumer has no obligation to ensure that the producers of goods are paid fairly for their work, it is solely the producer's obligation. Seeking the lowest price is the natural right of the consumer, when you infringe on that right you infringe on the efficiency of capitalism (example: US prescription drug prices). As long as one is not making copies of this music and distribute it for profit, one is not thieving. There is no moral gray area here.
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    Jul 16, 2009 12:36 AM GMT
    OK.

    You might ask whether this guy watches any videos / music on YouTube that aren't content partners... because, illegal music/video is ubiquitous to say the least. I'm sure he's even hearing illegal music at restaurants that don't pay licensing fees. As for illegally downloading on demand, the average iPod would cost over $20k to fill. The media is fueled by illegal enterprise.

    This guy sounds wack. Needn't. How does he feel about porn!? mhmm.