I NEED ADVICE!

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    Jul 17, 2009 3:19 PM GMT
    Ok... So as you can see if you've seen my profile. I have ok muscle tone, and im fairly small. Im lookin to pack on muscle ASAP! And im pretty sure that everybody can figure out where im heading with this! has anybody used steroids before? Im not going to say that im 100% going to do it! but i have thought about it before and just became curious! I've heard lots of things about it and just about all of its side effects and the aftermath of using steroids! I guess im writing this because I was just wanting someone who has possibly used them before or knew anybody who has to tell me about them! Im not looking to cheat at anything or looking to hurt anybody by taking them. I just need to be bigger for what I do and quick! Please give me advice and experiences!
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    Jul 17, 2009 5:15 PM GMT
    'ASAP' is not quite how it works. If only it were that way, the world would be populated by hunks.
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    Jul 17, 2009 5:48 PM GMT
    Take the 'slow and steady route'. Steroids' side effects far outweigh the benefits. More importantly, the benefits that you get from steroids only work while you're on them while many of the side effects can be permanent.
    Is having extra muscle mass for autumn really worth having kidney or liver damage for the the rest of your life?

    You already look good, so why not workout for progressive improvement as time passes.
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    Jul 17, 2009 5:50 PM GMT
    even with steroids it will still take time and hard, hard work. there are lots of flame wars about this topic already. but we might as well put pete and repeat on our ipods for the next 72 hours.
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    Jul 17, 2009 6:06 PM GMT
    ASAP = as soon as possible. So what's possible?

    For new muscle growth, a common rule of thumb is 6 weeks after the beginning of a consistent & valid muscle development regimen. That's approximately when significant new muscle growth will begin to occur. Prior to that, you may see some objective improvements in your performance, but they are likely due to improved muscle tone and refined exercise techniques.

    The rate & amount of actual muscle growth is dependent upon many variables, to include: age, gender, hormone levels, genetics, nutrition, and the nature of the muscle-building program. One man may develop muscle more quickly than another, on the same identical program. You will gain muscle as fast as you gain it, based on your own personal variables.

    This RJ site has much good advice on developing a program for yourself. Then the ball is in your court, to stick with it, maintaining good nutrition and overall healthy life habits. Do that, and you will gain muscle, as quickly as you were meant to gain it.
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    Jul 17, 2009 6:08 PM GMT
    Steroids are those hormones that are soluble in lipids. E.g. estrogen, testosterone. GH is NOT a steroid, contrary to the misinformation provided by some media. Insulin, like GH, is a hormone, but a peptide. Hormones are NATURALLY occurring in your body and essential for it to work right.

    In the U.S. AAS were not illegal until 1988. They were not controlled until 1991, when, despite the advice NOT to control them, by ALL agencies involved, Congress chose to ignore the advice and evidence of the experts and made them a Schedule III controlled substance. Of course, there is no beef that is NOT treated with trenbolone in the U.S. unless it's labeled organic, so we all make testosterone (an AAS) and also inject synthetic AAS from the food chain and livestock production. GH given to dairy cattle (not an AAS, but a hormone) for better milk production, and it's added to many baby formulas for improved infant growth. That's part of the reason why we're taller than in years prior. After the 1991 Omnibus Drug Bill, there was a growth industry created in law enforcement, and a media frenzy, etc.

    To date, no deaths are attributable to AAS. Anytime the media has made the false claims the medical community has stepped up (the doctors of the persons taking the "juice", or the American Cancer Society, or The American Heart Association) and said, no, that's just not the case.

    Although estrogen therapy has been a standard for women for years, there's been a taboo up until just recently against testosterone. As guys like me age, we're insisting on HRT (Hormone Replacement Therapy) and it's many benefits (protection of the heart, lower bp, prevention of osteoporosis, prevention of Alzheimer's, and Parkinson's, more lean muscle mass, fewer illnesses, better libidio, protection against diseases of aging, and a strong sense of well being.) Even heavy steroid use in athletes, and HIV patients, after nearly 60 years has not shown side effects to that outway the benefits. HRT has become so popular that the endocrinologists have lobbied the Congress to remove testosterone from the Schedule III list. To date, that effort has been unsuccessful.

    In a 1999 study at UNT (University of North Texas) even heavy AAS users (pro bodybuilders) were found to have significant lower mortality than other folks. (They live LONGER, have lower disease, and a higher quality of life.)

    Much like pot, the dangers are vastly over-stated, and the benefits vastly understated, and that's one thing both athletes and the vast majority of the medical community agree upon. There are NO bodies.

    If you go to Google and type in "bodybuilding" or "anabolic steroid" or "AAS", or "anti-aging" you should find a multitude of muscle boards, where you'll find many studies, and 1000s and 1000s of articles about use.

    You can also view HBO's Real Sports #99, ABC 20/20's article, or the movie "Bigger, Stronger, Faster" to get a more realistic view of AAS.

    Obesity remains the single largest killer, by far, in the U.S.

    Technology, be it the equipment, the technique, the training method, is not immoral, in my view. It's been part of sport since the beginning of time. There is inherent risk in anything we do, be it watching tv, or crossing the street, or driving, or jumping out of an airplane. As humans we use sound judgment (hopefully) to decide if we want to accept those risks. With AAS, and given nearly 60 years of evidence, that risk seems to be negligible to the health, mental, and cosmetic benefits.

    From an ethics perspective, in true competition, it's hard to know where to draw the lines. E.g., in NASCAR, there's a very long list of specs that each car HAS to have. If you win a NASCAR race, your car is torn apart to make sure it meets every last spec. Clearly, folks like Lance Armstrong don't win just because of item x, or item y. They combine smart techology with natural ability and smart training to attain an end goal.

    If folks can be fat, have nose jobs, or take estrogen, if a man has a cosmetic goal it certainly shouldn't be considered criminal in my view.

    In a 2006 (maybe 2007) study, the GAO (General Accounting Office) profiled AAS users for Congress, and The DEA. The study found that AAS users are above average intelligence, make more money, are better educated, are more risk adverse, middle aged, and live longer, with a higher quality of life than their peers. They presented to Congress that lowering use is difficult with this group of folks for obvious reasons: they're bright and can think on their own.

    You need to educate yourself. Asking the pack mentality of the gay community isn't your best source of information. Many, many, many, athletes use AAS every day, illegal, or not. Many, many folks use HRT, legally, and are much the better off for it. AAS have been a godsend for HIV patients.

    You have to decide on your own, after doing your research.

    In reality, the biggest risk of AAS is by far the legal one. Being fat is way more dangerous than AAS for your health.

    AAS, and GH, are NOT a magic potion. They allow you to recover and promote muscle retention, (anabolic state). Guys in magazines have YEARS of training, great genes, and know every trick in the book to look good. Bodybuilding is cosmetic, but, to get that look you have to be INCREDIBLY fit, and very strong, and to have worked very hard. The single contributing factor, with or without AAS, is CALORIES. Some folks don't have the patience, discipline, genes, training smarts, ambition, to get a certain look. AAS does NOT change that.
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    Jul 17, 2009 6:15 PM GMT
    bgcat57 saidTake the 'slow and steady route'. Steroids' side effects far outweigh the benefits. More importantly, the benefits that you get from steroids only work while you're on them while many of the side effects can be permanent.
    Is having extra muscle mass for autumn really worth having kidney or liver damage for the the rest of your life?

    You already look good, so why not workout for progressive improvement as time passes.


    This is an example of total misinformation and ignorance, FYI.

    Even if you take AAS only once, you'll ALWAYS retain some level of improvement, even several decades later. The muscle is forever altered. Study after study has shown this.

    Almost no negative effects from AAS are NOT transient. Most effects go away in days to weeks, even after DECADES of use. Study after study has shown this.

    NSAIDS (Non-steroidal pain relievers) cause a much higher risk to your kidneys and liver than AAS. You pose more risk to your liver by eating FAST FOOD, than taking AAS. Watch the movie "Supersize Me" for more info. Even after years of study, there's no evidence that there is kidney damage even from incredible high doses of trenbolone. That's just pure myth. AAS do increase your adrenaline, just like coffee, and some folks think that's a kidney problem. It is NOT.

    The guy posting this is clueless as to reality.

    AIDS / HIV patients take high doses of AAS for years and it saves their lives.

    HRT has been used for years, and it PREVENTS disease and promotes good health.

    The poster hasn't done a lick of research.