Tarot Cards - raises eyebrow big time?

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    Nov 28, 2007 4:14 PM GMT
    Ok so I totally believe in lots of esoteric and magickal things but tarot cards? I feel like that is a bit far fetched for me. Why do these drawings have any significance to my life and how could it possibly be answering my questions? Its fun to play with occasionally but I still don't get the fascination around them. Maybe I just haven't learned or seen the light dunno.
  • Laurence

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    Nov 28, 2007 5:50 PM GMT
    I was quite interested in tarot when I was younger. The problem I had with them was there ambiguity. It seemed they could be read in many different ways to say what the reader wanted them to say.

    Like all fortune telling and horroscope stuff they play on superstition and mysticism. And I'm not sure that these things have any place in today's world.

    Loz
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    Nov 28, 2007 5:59 PM GMT
    My experiences with such mysticism has led to my logical disbelief. Every single reading that has ever been done w/ me (several) has always been widely inaccurate, both past and future. Perhaps while I may be easy to read to an average person, the psy-person is normally completely out of the ballpark regarding my character, choices, and desires.

    That isn't to say that I don't leave the door open for the possibility of unusual things currently defined as psy/magic. It just hasn't presented itself to me.
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    Nov 28, 2007 6:07 PM GMT
    I read... and 9 times outta 10 i'm dead on. Bringing people to tears.

    I just read for a Gem City Ballet benefit and freaked a LOT of people out.

    I also collect decks because a lot of them have some utterly gorgeous art on them. One of the same reasons i collect rosaries.
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    Nov 28, 2007 6:11 PM GMT
    This stuff seems to be not much more than a very strong sense of intuition on the part of the reader, who'll say what the client wants to (or should) hear. There's also the fine art of calculated but vague guessing. However, I also feel that there's also a minor sort of "cosmic energy" aspect at play.
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    Nov 28, 2007 6:18 PM GMT
    If you're going to invest in irrational beliefs, what difference does it make what it is? Only it would be nice if more of the delusional community believed more in fun things, rather than things that require, for example, burning witches or slaughtering infidels.
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    Nov 28, 2007 6:18 PM GMT
    Supposedly you are supposed to interpret the patterns.

    HOWEVER when someone sits down, and as they are shuffling the cards i look at them and say "You need to spend more time with your son. Stop questioning that and do it!" And i have never met her i think it's less about the cards and more about "other" factors.

    There IS a lot of telling the person what they want to here, and a lot of psychology... but i threw that out of the window a long time ago when i was well into reading cards. I didn't want it to be a like a "drug" making a person feel better on a temporary level. So i changed my approach and made it as real as i possibly could.
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    Nov 28, 2007 6:23 PM GMT
    Reality is a creation born of your mind.

    Believe in what you want to. However, doubt is a sure way to devalue your own beliefs.
  • SpartanJock

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    Nov 28, 2007 6:51 PM GMT
    Like Rocco, I too read Tarot (Thoth deck), and have been spot on 9/10 times and have brought people to tears. There is a connection to the cards the person draws, and the ability of the 'reader' to answer the questions that need to be addressed.
  • DiverScience

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    Nov 28, 2007 6:58 PM GMT
    It's a mental tool to answer the questions you don't *want* to answer. What you read from the cards is usually the things you don't want to admit, "I've got to stop doing X" or "I need to take control of Y."

    Divinitory? Probly not. But useful? Depends. For several friends it works like a psychologist you don't have to pay. Something to bounce your sub concious thoughts off of.
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    Nov 28, 2007 7:12 PM GMT
    In part i do agree with Diver. He's seems to be a pretty smart cookie! I like him more and more each time i read a post of his.

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    Nov 28, 2007 7:17 PM GMT
    Hear hear!
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    Nov 28, 2007 7:53 PM GMT
    i agree with diver, it can be a tool to work out some stuff and i see that. as for cosmic energy while shuffling, maybe? i don't believe in coincidence, so I guess every card has a reason, but I believe every thing has a reason as small or large as it may seem in the broader scope of things.
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    Nov 28, 2007 8:42 PM GMT
    I like to play with them, but I treat them like a projective test, same deal with the I Ching.

    Approaching them this way -- in the way people tell and interpret a dream -- is useful for disclosing unconscious contents.
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    Nov 28, 2007 8:46 PM GMT
    That would be the smart way to say what I was trying to convey.

    Yay for OW
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    Nov 28, 2007 8:59 PM GMT
    Well, you really need another person present, though. The unconscious by definition wants to remain, um, unconscious, so it usually requires another person to accurately reflect what's disclosing itself. Otherwise, it's your own tendency to re-repress the contents.

    I also use a process called sandtray, in which adults create a scene in a tabletop sandbox with their choice of hundreds of images (like the action figures in one of my pics). I find this especially effective because it's hard to deny what's going on when it's directly symbolized by the unconscious.

    Of course, some people do very well denying anything. I saw a very famous rock musician a few years back. She was one of the angriest people I've ever met but was totally clueless. I had her do a sand tray and she created only one scene featuring two objects: an alligator devouring a baby.

    "Don't you think that's kind of an angry scene?"

    "Not really, I just think alligators are cool."

    "You complain pretty incessantly about the way your mother treated you. So you think there's no connection."

    "I think I was just pissed when they outlawed alligator wallets and handbags."

    Whatthefuckever.
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    Nov 28, 2007 10:51 PM GMT
    I'd have so much fun over at OW's house. I love playing with toys.

    Read into that as much as you want.
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    Nov 28, 2007 11:16 PM GMT
    To you guys who read the cards... would one of you please tell me the numbers I need to play for Friday's Mega Millions Jackpot? It's up to 70 million dollars. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Nov 29, 2007 12:02 AM GMT
    "I'd have so much fun over at OW's house. I love playing with toys.
    Read into that as much as you want."


    Come on over. I have a full set of the Colt action figures.
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    Nov 29, 2007 12:07 AM GMT
    behiker I could tell you but I don't want to share the wealth.
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    Nov 29, 2007 12:09 AM GMT
    This thread brought back memories of my grandmother, who passed away last year at 96. She was a very religious woman, always going to church a few times a week and would even cook for the priest at the rectory.

    But should was into this mystical stuff. When i was younger, she would read tea leaves, read the cards and even had a crystal ball. It was nice when I was young boy, drinking tea with her, and then having her read the leaves. It was mostly about trips or school and stuff, but i never put much stock into it. I asked her about her crystal ball once and why i never saw her use. She said she saw something in it one time that deeply disturbed and never used it again, but it did stay there on her dresser.
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    Nov 29, 2007 1:22 AM GMT
    Tarot cards are simply a tool, or a focal point, and its the interpretation of the images, their placement, whether they're positively or negatively aspected, etc that helps the reader tune in to the subject. I used to read and still have both of my decks, but I eventually got to a point where I no longer needed the cards as a focal point... and tarot isn't really that useful to one who walks the path of shaman, anyway. icon_smile.gif

    Is it magic or mystical? That depends on how you define those terms. It does have a lot to do with intuition and in some cases, probably psychic ability to some degree. I've seen many very specific readings done for people that the reader did not know and had never seen before. Likewise, I've met psychics who I'd never met before that told me specific details of events in my life that no one knew but me. So yes, I believe some people are gifted in those areas.

    Of course, I've also seen many roadside "psychic/palm reader/tarot reader/crystal ball scryer" types who are only there to feed you a line of bull and take your money. For me, here's the key to knowing a fraud... if they can tell you things about yourself or your life that you and only you could know, without any input from you, they're probably not a fake.
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    Nov 29, 2007 3:36 AM GMT
    I dunno. I think the reader is intuiting stuff based on the conversation as much as the images per se.

    Most of the images represent so-called archetypal figures, which are personifications of certain aspects of the self (as the Greek gods were). These are common to everyone, so the reader's riff is rarely "wrong" as long as he doesn't get into literal, specific prognostications.

    That's not to say it's useless. I think most people aren't aware how "multiple" the psyche actually is -- virtually a cluster of identities (again, like the Greek gods).



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    Nov 29, 2007 3:56 AM GMT
    To add on to OW's comments, I would agree that the reader usually just speaks about things in an general/architypal way, and the connection to maybe an unconscious thought is what comes up when someone gives you a reading. It seems real to you because it connects to something in you.

    Granted, you could probably do the same thing by randomly choosing words out of the newspaper too, but the issues represented in the Tarot cards are more universal.

    Question: does anyone here have the Gay Tarot deck?
  • duglyduckling

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    Nov 29, 2007 3:59 AM GMT
    how and where did you guys learn to read the cards? is it difficult to learn?