Full bodysuits banned by FINA

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    Jul 24, 2009 11:48 PM GMT
    I know as I post this that this topic will very likely devolve into a topic with such inanity that it will make me want to bash my head against the wall.... but:

    http://www.universalsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=23000&ATCLID=204765164

    Full bodysuits have been banned by FINA, the governing body of World & Olympic Games. While it does not necessarily regulate any other bodies, most other bodies, such as US Swimming or the Italian & British regulations, follow the guidelines set by FINA. NCAA usually does as well.

    What do you guys think of this. To me, the ruling comes a bit late, as full bodysuits and whatnot have been popular even back in my college swimming days (early 2000's). It seems that the ruling is more motivated by the rise of polyurethane suits, rather than the bodysuits themselves. I still think that the suit limitations are very reasonable though, and support the move whole heartedly.

    What do you all think?
  • Anto

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    Jul 25, 2009 6:26 AM GMT
    I think they should ban technology that would make one swimmer faster than another with all other things being equal, either that or make the same suits available to everyone. Creating two seperate lists, one for tech suits and one for non-tech suits is a good idea too. They should do that for steroid use.

    Personally I just don't like that idea. It's cool from a tech point of view but it's not that edifying when people win races or have better times because of special suits as opposed to just normal body capabilities.
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    Jul 25, 2009 6:41 AM GMT
    remove the factor and swim naked
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    Jul 26, 2009 9:49 AM GMT
    Anto saidI think they should ban technology that would make one swimmer faster than another with all other things being equal, either that or make the same suits available to everyone.


    I may be wrong, but I think at the Olympics they do provide all swimmers with the suits. But I guess the downfall in that is if you couldn't afford/have access to them before the Games, and couldn't train with them, there is no point using them.

    I think the ruling is a bit late, but governing bodies are always a bit behind the technology. At least they've come out and made a decision.
  • Anto

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    Jul 27, 2009 7:29 AM GMT
    No they couldn't afford or use them in some cases if I remember right, like due to contracts and agreements.

    But I also just don't like the idea. The competition should be about human power, who's body is the most conditioned, better mindset, and genetically superior, not who happens to be wearing best technology. It's more about showing off the technology than human capability.

    I want to see what people can achieve as a matter of the natural human body not man-made stuff.
  • Delivis

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    Jul 27, 2009 7:32 AM GMT
    So the upside to this is we get to see bare torsos again. There is once again a point to watching swimming competitions.
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    Jul 27, 2009 10:13 AM GMT
    DemiShaSha saidremove the factor and swim naked
    YEHH BAYY-BEEE!! icon_cool.gificon_lol.gificon_twisted.gificon_biggrin.gif
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    Jul 27, 2009 12:01 PM GMT
    I personally think it's outrageous of FINA... I mean, advances in technology are common in every sport. What makes this any different? Affordability? Is that it?
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    Jul 27, 2009 12:02 PM GMT
    rnch said
    DemiShaSha saidremove the factor and swim naked
    YEHH BAYY-BEEE!! icon_cool.gificon_lol.gificon_twisted.gificon_biggrin.gif

    Inanity.... commence. Begin head bashing sequence in 5.....
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    Jul 27, 2009 12:23 PM GMT
    As one swimmer said- it is akin to using steroids. They should have been banned awhile back. This is the 3rd time this issue has been brought up. So in the worlds currently going on, new marks are being set with the assist of these suits, that will potentially never be broken again.
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    Jul 27, 2009 12:32 PM GMT
    i honestly don't understand..... seriously... how is it akin to taking steroids?
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    Jul 27, 2009 12:39 PM GMT
    SAHEM62896 saidi honestly don't understand..... seriously... how is it akin to taking steroids?


    it enhances performance just as steroids giving an unfair advantage.

    some suits eliminate drag
    some suits make the swimmer more buoyant
    some suits eliminate drag and make the swimmer more buoyant
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    Jul 28, 2009 7:10 PM GMT
    Swimming is pretty unique in that the clothing actually has an impact on performance, as opposed to simply being a uniform to show team affiliation or clothing to allow for comfort. Most sports, baseball, basketball, soccer, tennis, football, ect, the garb and gear is simply for aesthetics, comfort, or protection. There's not much of a technical advantage of having a Nike dri-fit versus an Adidas of similar fashion in tennis. In football, certain pads don't make you "block better".

    BUT, in swimming, suits perform different ways. Some channel water away from the body, others cover more surface area of the body, making a greater effect, others compress muscles to keep them warmer and more "fast twitch". This most recent wave of suits involved polyurethane with such a miniscule drag coefficient that it was making a VERY noticeable difference in the pool. So the issue comes down to whether it's physical prowess or technology that is causing success. By standardizing suit designs (only allowing jammers or less for men, and limiting suits to textiles), it takes away the variable of technology.
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    Jul 28, 2009 7:15 PM GMT
    this isn't just because whatsizname's suit split the other day, is it?
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    Jul 28, 2009 7:18 PM GMT
    SAHEM62896 saidthis isn't just because whatsizname's suit split the other day, is it?

    O hell no, like it has been said, this is the 3rd time this has come up.
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    Jul 28, 2009 7:20 PM GMT
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    SAHEM62896 saidthis isn't just because whatsizname's suit split the other day, is it?

    O hell no, like it has been said, this is the 3rd time this has come up.


    yeah, i would think not, because i seem to recall those paper suits splitting o the blocks all the time...
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    Jul 28, 2009 7:22 PM GMT
    well with Phelps just loosing to a guy who was wearing one of these suits and who broke Phelps record from Beijing as well.

    Suits will have to be bannedicon_exclaim.gif
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    Jul 28, 2009 7:34 PM GMT
    HotToddy saidBUT, in swimming, suits perform different ways... By standardizing suit designs (only allowing jammers or less for men, and limiting suits to textiles), it takes away the variable of technology.

    Well I think we want to know that it's the athletes themselves who are competing, not their equipment. And some of these swim suits were approaching astronomical costs, and only available to those with privileged connections to the manufacturers. Where's the open sports competition in that? What's next, cyborg suits that swim for them?

    Prurient gay interests aside (but only reluctantly), I do note that competitive swimmers have for many years lobbied to swim nude, and end this controversy once and for all. The greatest objection deals with TV broadcast rights, since many markets, especially the US, wouldn't be able to use the nude images and wouldn't be paying the broadcasting fees to the various governing agencies.

    That in turn would hurt the endorsement value of the swimmers themselves. And even digitizing the offending parts is expensive and problematic, and introduces a time delay to broadcasting live events. It's ultimately all about the money.

    Swimsuit manufacturers also heavily sponsor these events, and broadcasting rights brings in more money, so the least common denominator of viewer community standards will always apply, and the company product will be worn, no matter what. I remember when US broadcasters wouldn't show a male swimmer in a classic Speedo below the waist, or just from a distance and the rear. That became relaxed with the longer suits. They certainly reduce water drag and have other benefits, but I think they serve a secondary purpose for the broadcasters.

    The interests at work in this issue are more complex and influential than many fans realize. It isn't solely about the athletes and the purity of the sport; it's also about the money.
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    Jul 28, 2009 7:59 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa said
    Prurient gay interests aside (but only reluctantly), I do note that competitive swimmers have for many years lobbied to swim nude, and end this controversy once and for all.

    I'm sorry, WHAT!? I was a college swimmer, as was my older brother. We were both among the tops of our programs, he in particular was part of one of the best in the nation. We have never once heard of this "lobby."

    And do you HONESTLY believe that any of the athletes performing on a World Championship level are actually paying for their suits?
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    Jul 28, 2009 8:07 PM GMT
    swimmers should all be in white or light coloured bikini speedos. those dark suits hide everythingicon_razz.gif
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    Jul 28, 2009 8:08 PM GMT
    HotToddy said

    And do you HONESTLY believe that any of the athletes performing on a World Championship level are actually paying for their suits?


    True.... everything we got was a gift/promotional thing.
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    Jul 28, 2009 8:29 PM GMT
    SAHEM62896 said
    HotToddy said

    And do you HONESTLY believe that any of the athletes performing on a World Championship level are actually paying for their suits?


    True.... everything we got was a gift/promotional thing.

    Yah, even as a D3 school we were sponsored by Speedo. Got suits, warmups, sandals, ect, every year. Perhaps the university footed the bill, but still. There was no reason we needed sandals, but we got them anyways.