Steroid users: What would be involved in research?

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    Jul 28, 2009 1:34 AM GMT
    So, I work as a researcher in the drug and alcohol field, and my area of interest is broadly 'drugs in sport'. I'm also quite interested in various aspects of steroid use and issues related to this.

    Steroid users (at least here in Australia) are sometimes reluctant to come forward and participate in research, for many reasons. So my question to steroid users is: would you be involved in research investigating steroid use? Are there things you wouldn't talk about, things that you think should be investigated? What would entice you to do a survey?

    I'm asking this stuff because when we put in funding applications, us researchers tend to be a bit over zealous with what we think we can achieve. So it's good to have an understanding beforehand.

    You don't need to respond in this forum if you don't want to - feel free to message me.

    Thanks in advance!
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    Jul 28, 2009 1:48 AM GMT
    if I was using it, I'd be happy to answer anything..

    I don't use'em so.. my post is pointless hahaha
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    Jul 28, 2009 3:01 AM GMT
    muchmorethanmuscle saidI imagine that a survey would include blood work? This would be great to keep track of one's liver and kidney values. icon_cool.gif


    It's really hard to get people to come in to do studies which also involve taking blood. It's quite expensive as well, and you need to go through alot of ethics protocols. But I like your thinking icon_smile.gif
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    Jul 28, 2009 3:43 AM GMT
    I could see where baseline lab values would be a quantifiable value, but what would fascinate me more is the psychology. Why do they use, how much do they use, at what age did they start and why? Have the subjects estimate their body measurements versus a true quantifable source - the actual measurements. How much do they spend on steroids versus their earned income (compare percentages) - socio-economic status, education, age. Use a likert scale ( 1 to 5 ) how do you feel after shooting up steroids. Ona scale of 1-5, how severe / bad do you feel when coming down off of a cycle. Have you ever been arrested?

    What are the penalties in AUS for steroid possession? I know that if you are prescribed steroids or HGH you have to get a letter from the minister of health permitting to bring it with you through customs. I was in AUS for a month last Jan-Feb and I had to e-mail and call > 10 times to get my letter of permission to bring a months worth of Test Cyp and HGH with me. Can you offer amnesty from arrest, guarantee the test subjects confidentiality?

    Research fascinates me. Good luck! additionally, if you do not use Mini-tab for your statistic calculations I would highly recommend it.
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    You've got some fuckin nerve asking!!! You don't know the pressure put upon a man in society to be strapped!! OOOOKKKKK!
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    GuiltyGear saidI use a Q tip to play with my nutts now.

    *falls over laughing*
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    Any packages to sample? icon_smile.gif Okay seriously, I have been tempted and only know of 2 people and they are straight so another pointless post!

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    Jul 28, 2009 12:46 PM GMT
    syd_hockey_79 saidSo, I work as a researcher in the drug and alcohol field, and my area of interest is broadly 'drugs in sport'. I'm also quite interested in various aspects of steroid use and issues related to this.

    Steroid users (at least here in Australia) are sometimes reluctant to come forward and participate in research, for many reasons. So my question to steroid users is: would you be involved in research investigating steroid use? Are there things you wouldn't talk about, things that you think should be investigated? What would entice you to do a survey?

    I'm asking this stuff because when we put in funding applications, us researchers tend to be a bit over zealous with what we think we can achieve. So it's good to have an understanding beforehand.

    You don't need to respond in this forum if you don't want to - feel free to message me.

    Thanks in advance!


    I figure it can't be that hard to find steroid users in Sydney

    When I worked out in Sydney there was 2 gallon buckets in all the toilets in the gym they used to take them away full of used syringes and a load of the guys and trainers talked quite openly about it.

    You just have to be in with the gym crowd I think


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    Jul 28, 2009 1:28 PM GMT
    syd_hockey_79 saidSo, I work as a researcher in the drug and alcohol field, and my area of interest is broadly 'drugs in sport'. I'm also quite interested in various aspects of steroid use and issues related to this.

    Steroid users (at least here in Australia) are sometimes reluctant to come forward and participate in research, for many reasons. So my question to steroid users is: would you be involved in research investigating steroid use? Are there things you wouldn't talk about, things that you think should be investigated? What would entice you to do a survey?

    I'm asking this stuff because when we put in funding applications, us researchers tend to be a bit over zealous with what we think we can achieve. So it's good to have an understanding beforehand.

    You don't need to respond in this forum if you don't want to - feel free to message me.

    Thanks in advance!


    There's a pretty decent literature on AAS use; generally response rates are about even with research on other topics. You might pick up some of those studies for ideas about recruitment.

    I'd be sure you emphasize that the data are confidential and that research often deals with illegal behaviors (e.g. IV drug use, drinking and driving), and that without confidentiality such research would be impossible (I don't know what laws about data confidentiality are in Australia tho).

    Also, AAS users tend to be wary or derisive of mental health and medical professionals who know less about AAS than they do, so be sure all your terminology, etc, is correct.

    I also do work on AAS. icon_smile.gif
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    Jul 28, 2009 1:33 PM GMT
    this is off topic, but i dont support steroids and their use. A nice body is somethign that comes from a lot of hard work and activity. Most steroid users I have met, dont know a fucking thing about what to do in the weight room, and inject shit into their asses because they dont know what else to do to get bigger.

    And i think many people who work out regularly without steroids feel the same way, that could be a reason that many users keep it a secret. research is a whole nother story though
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    Jul 28, 2009 1:40 PM GMT
    ShawnF saidthis is off topic, but ... (insert semi-random rant)


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    ShawnF said

    And i think many people who work out regularly without steroids feel the same way, that could be a reason that many users keep it a secret. research is a whole nother story though


    Jealous and resentful, yes I'm willing to bet they do to
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    Jul 28, 2009 1:58 PM GMT
    ShawnF said
    And i think many people who work out regularly without steroids feel the same way, that could be a reason that many users keep it a secret. research is a whole nother story though


    I think you'd be surprised how many of them are keeping that secret from *you*.
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    Jul 28, 2009 2:02 PM GMT
    MsclDrew said

    Jealous and resentful, yes I'm willing to bet they do to


    Haha not sure about that, pretty sure they look down on it. Steroids could be useful if your in trained forces where it would be very important to have a hand up on what your going against, but as purely cosmetic it's an easy way out.
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    Jul 28, 2009 11:37 PM GMT
    I've a more important question...

    Why do you think your opinion was so important that it meant you could come in here and start blabbering off topics...

    you aren't that special so go start your own thread and judge all you want else where
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    Jul 28, 2009 11:41 PM GMT
    ShawnF said
    MsclDrew said

    Jealous and resentful, yes I'm willing to bet they do to


    Haha not sure about that, pretty sure they look down on it. Steroids could be useful if your in trained forces where it would be very important to have a hand up on what your going against, but as purely cosmetic it's an easy way out.


    I'm not going to judge you for your opinions but...I don't think you really know a lot of what you are talking about and doing just that, judging people.

    A foolish person defines everyone as himself and at least one other person
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    Jul 29, 2009 1:06 AM GMT
    lilTanker saidI've a more important question...

    Why do you think your opinion was so important that it meant you could come in here and start blabbering off topics...

    you aren't that special so go start your own thread and judge all you want else where


    Because this is a public forum and i can state my opinions wherever i want dude. if you don't agree then you don't have to abide by them.

    Perhaps instead of telling me that I'm not important enough to say steroids are for pussies, you could provide evidence to support that they aren't for pussies and tack on some evidence to support that you are important enough to tell me that my opinions are unfounded.

    Feel free to PM that evidence icon_wink.gif
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    Jul 29, 2009 1:17 AM GMT
    ShawnF saidthis is off topic, but i dont support steroids and their use. A nice body is somethign that comes from a lot of hard work and activity. Most steroid users I have met, dont know a fucking thing about what to do in the weight room, and inject shit into their asses because they dont know what else to do to get bigger.

    And i think many people who work out regularly without steroids feel the same way, that could be a reason that many users keep it a secret. research is a whole nother story though


    Shawn, I agree with you on the misuse of steroids, but it is simply an education thing. People think something as simple as sticking a needle in your body does not require any kind of knowledge.

    I would recommend watching Bigger Faster Stronger. A very good documentary on steroid use and totally non-biased.
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    syd_hockey_79 saidSo, I work as a researcher in the drug and alcohol field, and my area of interest is broadly 'drugs in sport'. I'm also quite interested in various aspects of steroid use and issues related to this.

    Steroid users (at least here in Australia) are sometimes reluctant to come forward and participate in research, for many reasons. So my question to steroid users is: would you be involved in research investigating steroid use? Are there things you wouldn't talk about, things that you think should be investigated? What would entice you to do a survey?

    I'm asking this stuff because when we put in funding applications, us researchers tend to be a bit over zealous with what we think we can achieve. So it's good to have an understanding beforehand.

    You don't need to respond in this forum if you don't want to - feel free to message me.

    Thanks in advance!


    There's a pretty decent literature on AAS use; generally response rates are about even with research on other topics. You might pick up some of those studies for ideas about recruitment.

    I'd be sure you emphasize that the data are confidential and that research often deals with illegal behaviors (e.g. IV drug use, drinking and driving), and that without confidentiality such research would be impossible (I don't know what laws about data confidentiality are in Australia tho).

    Also, AAS users tend to be wary or derisive of mental health and medical professionals who know less about AAS than they do, so be sure all your terminology, etc, is correct.

    I also do work on AAS. icon_smile.gif


    Yep, I did my PhD looking at steroid use, so I'm up on all that sort of stuff. But we've done a few studies into steroid use at the Centre I work at and response rates are lower than what we get for, say, ecstasy users, and the number of participants we get is lower compared to studies conducted in the U.S.

    I guess the purpose of me posting this thread was not so much to get feedback re: ethics and all that stuff (which I do appreciate, don't get me wrong); it was more about getting general feedback from steroid users about why they may or may not participate in research, the concerns they have, the motivations they might have.
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    Jul 29, 2009 2:03 AM GMT
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    lilTanker saidI've a more important question...

    Why do you think your opinion was so important that it meant you could come in here and start blabbering off topics...

    you aren't that special so go start your own thread and judge all you want else where


    Because this is a public forum and i can state my opinions wherever i want dude. if you don't agree then you don't have to abide by them.

    Perhaps instead of telling me that I'm not important enough to say steroids are for pussies, you could provide evidence to support that they aren't for pussies and tack on some evidence to support that you are important enough to tell me that my opinions are unfounded.

    Feel free to PM that evidence icon_wink.gif

    this forum is public.. but the op wasn't asking you your opinion on why steroids are bad, infact, he wasn't asking either way.. he didn't want you opinion on steroid use at all, he wanted to know if you would be interested in taking part in research he was hoping to conduct...

    so you came in here didn't really bother understanding anything and just started throwing your opinion around..

    continuing on with this trend that you seem to not pay attention.. I never made a case for or against steroid use.. I never will either since it's not my choice.. and I certainly wouldn't bother sending you a message when you so obviously don't pay attention to what is written.
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    Jul 29, 2009 3:28 AM GMT
    syd_hockey_79 said
    I guess the purpose of me posting this thread was not so much to get feedback re: ethics and all that stuff (which I do appreciate, don't get me wrong); it was more about getting general feedback from steroid users about why they may or may not participate in research, the concerns they have, the motivations they might have.


    Oh, ok, I grok. Well, I think often we're unable to provide direct monetary compensation to participants who are completing research on illegal behaviors (for obvious reasons), but in terms of incentives you might be able to give participants needles, if your funding permits. Other than that, motivations to participate would probably be limited to the normal "help us increase knowledge" stuff. icon_biggrin.gif From the literature I'm familiar with, concerns would be 1. data confidentiality (mentioned in my post above) and 2. representation of AAS users (which would be covered in your informed consent letting them know the purpose of the research and in your informed use of terminology etc.).
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    Jul 29, 2009 3:32 AM GMT
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    syd_hockey_79 said
    I guess the purpose of me posting this thread was not so much to get feedback re: ethics and all that stuff (which I do appreciate, don't get me wrong); it was more about getting general feedback from steroid users about why they may or may not participate in research, the concerns they have, the motivations they might have.


    Oh, ok, I grok. Well, I think often we're unable to provide direct monetary compensation to participants who are completing research on illegal behaviors (for obvious reasons), but in terms of incentives you might be able to give participants needles, if your funding permits. Other than that, motivations to participate would probably be limited to the normal "help us increase knowledge" stuff. icon_biggrin.gif From the literature I'm familiar with, concerns would be 1. data confidentiality (mentioned in my post above) and 2. representation of AAS users (which would be covered in your informed consent letting them know the purpose of the research and in your informed use of terminology etc.).


    Ahh okay Im going to have to clarify this a bit more:

    Would you be prepared to do a survey into your use of steroids if it was online (e.g. an internet survey or a conversation over something like MSN), do a pencil and paper survey, taped conversation, etc etc?