Police at it again...

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    Jul 28, 2009 5:54 PM GMT
    When will this shyt endicon_eek.gif

    http://newsone.com/nation/video-corrections-officers-beat-woman

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    Jul 28, 2009 5:57 PM GMT
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    Let's not make threads where we attack police officers. it's not constructive and serves no point. bad mouthing the police seems like a good idea till you need one..... quit it
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    Jul 28, 2009 10:06 PM GMT
    Hillie said

    Let's not make threads where we attack police officers. it's not constructive and serves no point. bad mouthing the police seems like a good idea till you need one..... quit it


    Anything to bring attention to bad unpredictable behavior, i will post and promote. If u do not like it, don't click on it, and just move on...0002039F.gif
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    Jul 29, 2009 2:58 AM GMT

    You need to find a better way of doing it as your post has recieved little to no attention at all! If you come across as nothing more than a militant self seeking cause stir'er no one will pay attention to you as once again proven in your thread. You have a clip of a cat shooting a gun, do you really think someone will take this srsly as it's attached to clip of a woman getting beaten by police.....Discuss that or pehaps CLICK ON IT!
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    Jul 29, 2009 9:59 AM GMT
    Hillie said
    You need to find a better way of doing it as your post has recieved little to no attention at all! If you come across as nothing more than a militant self seeking cause stir'er no one will pay attention to you as once again proven in your thread. You have a clip of a cat shooting a gun, do you really think someone will take this srsly as it's attached to clip of a woman getting beaten by police.....Discuss that or pehaps CLICK ON IT!


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    Jul 29, 2009 12:39 PM GMT
    odd..
    there is no sound and she does not appear to be "locked-up", she opens the door - on her own - multiple times?

    Who knows what this is about?
    So yeah, there are bad-eggs everywhere including people police have to deal with every hour of every day who initially they were only trying to help.
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    Jul 29, 2009 12:48 PM GMT
    It's likely a holding cell in a booking area, based on the L-shaped bench without a pad, her street clothes, and the officers wearing rubber gloves. Those doors are typically not kept locked, except briefly for specific reasons like during shift change. (I used to do this stuff as an Army MP, and have taken recent tours of city & county facilities -- voluntarily! LOL!)

    Detainees wait in them until their name is called to come to the desk to see a Booking Officer, or have their photo taken, medical history reviewed, etc, as they're being processed, and then they simply leave the cell on their own as summoned. But until that happens, they're not supposed to come out. Think of it like a jail "waiting room."

    I can't judge from this silent video whether this woman was sufficiently uncooperative and disruptive to merit the actions of the officers, but this is what does happen when someone refuses to comply with what they were directed to do during the booking process.

    Plus we don't know what her conduct was prior to this video beginning, either here or in other parts of the jail, where she may have already been warned of the potential consequences of continued hostility & resistance. What we're seeing may be the culmination of her previous actions, and she had reached the point where forcible restraint was appropriate. I simply don't know, but it's possible.
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    Jul 29, 2009 1:13 PM GMT
    “I felt after the prosecution was done that they didn’t prove their case – any of it,” commissioner Harvey Richmond said. “We all felt – what we saw in (the video), she would not do anything that they told her – they used only the minimal force that was needed to control her.

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    Behm, who testified before the commission in May, said she couldn’t recall most of the night at the jail and had no specific recollection of the beatings in a segregation cell in the A-block of the jail.

    She said she had drank four or five beers at Behmer’s Dugout, the Peoria bar she owns, over the course of about five hours before her arrest by a Creve Coeur police sergeant on suspicion of drunken driving.

    Piro and Bieber claimed in their testimony before the commission that Behm was extremely intoxicated and belligerent and had to be transferred to the segregation cell to maintain order in the usual holding area.

    Piro eventually swung Behm head-first into a concrete wall but testified that he was attempting to execute a sanctioned “takedown” technique and lost his balance. Bieber punched Behm in the face, but he claimed she attempted to leave the cell and lunged at him.


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    Jul 29, 2009 1:20 PM GMT
    I'm so luck I live in a city where the police and homosexuals have a good relationship, and police can now even be openly homosexual too.

    I have no fear of the police at all, in fact I've dated two of em; but not sure I would do that again.
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    Jul 29, 2009 1:23 PM GMT
    Sedative saidBehm, who testified before the commission in May, said she couldn’t recall most of the night at the jail and had no specific recollection of the beatings in a segregation cell in the A-block of the jail.

    She said she had drank four or five beers at Behmer’s Dugout, the Peoria bar she owns, over the course of about five hours before her arrest by a Creve Coeur police sergeant on suspicion of drunken driving.

    Piro and Bieber claimed in their testimony before the commission that Behm was extremely intoxicated and belligerent and had to be transferred to the segregation cell to maintain order in the usual holding area.

    Piro eventually swung Behm head-first into a concrete wall but testified that he was attempting to execute a sanctioned “takedown” technique and lost his balance. Bieber punched Behm in the face, but he claimed she attempted to leave the cell and lunged at him.


    http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=22376


    All of that would track with what I thought probable and wrote above. The exception was that this was designated as a segregation holding cell in the booking area. Ordinary holding cells will typically have several people, hence the benches, provided a number are going through booking at the same time.
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    Jul 29, 2009 1:36 PM GMT
    matey saidI'm so luck I live in a city where the police and homosexuals have a good relationship, and police can now even be openly homosexual too.

    I have no fear of the police at all, in fact I've dated two of em; but not sure I would do that again.

    Yeah, we have gays on our police force, and most of the city commissioners are openly gay, too. I know some of the cops, good guys. And a senior member of the county sheriff's office is a lesbian, whom I also know well, had lunch with her not too long ago, got her to form a sheriff's team for our AIDS bicycle fundraiser coming up.

    In fact, I helped her political campaign last year when she ran for county office, though she lost to the incumbent. I normally view those in law enforcement as my friends, having once been in that field myself.

    At the same time, I know about the bad apples, and the best thing a police force can do is to root them out, never hide it. Then it only festers and grows worse. As the saying goes: "One bad apple..."

    I strongly support the police, and vote for increased pay & benefits for the dangerous and brave job they do, along with firefighters and other emergency responders. In return, I expect absolute integrity & honesty from them, and swift action when they abrogate their duty. The good ones feel the same way.

    In the news now are the Cambridge Police over this Gates incident. That area has a history of racism and homophobia by the police. I am dubious of Sergeant Crowley's claims, because I know how the system works. But if he is right, and Gates was out of line, I will support him.
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    Jul 29, 2009 1:47 PM GMT
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    matey saidI'm so luck I live in a city where the police and homosexuals have a good relationship, and police can now even be openly homosexual too.

    I have no fear of the police at all, in fact I've dated two of em; but not sure I would do that again.

    Yeah, we have gays on our police force, and most of the city commissioners are openly gay, too. I know some of the cops, good guys. And a senior member of the county sheriff's office is a lesbian, whom I also know well, had lunch with her not too long ago, got her to form a sheriff's team for our AIDS bicycle fundraiser coming up.

    In fact, I helped her political campaign last year when she ran for county office, though she lost to the incumbent. I normally view those in law enforcement as my friends, having once been in that field myself.

    At the same time, I know about the bad apples, and the best thing a police force can do is to root them out, never hide it. Then it only festers and grows worse. As the saying goes: "One bad apple..."

    I strongly support the police, and vote for increased pay & benefits for the dangerous and brave job they do, along with firefighters and other emergency responders. In return, I expect absolute integrity & honesty from them, and swift action when they abrogate their duty. The good ones feel the same way.


    During my time dating Paul and Mark, Police had to hide their homosexuality, and it was this that got in the way of our relationship, and Paul's drinking, and double standard, But Via him we used to drink at the police club a lot, and I got to rang and meet some wonderful men and women. I also got to meet some who had attatude, even when off work, hanging with other police.

    But I will agree with they should be paid more, and yes they need to root out those bad apples. My City has had some major issues with them over recent years.

    it also pleases me, that I don't live in the only City, that has a great relationship with the police and homosexuals.

    In fact for about the past 5 years or so the police in uniform have Marched in the Melbourne gay march.
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    Jul 29, 2009 3:09 PM GMT
    Don't threaten a cop's ego or you know what you will get icon_wink.gif. It takes a certain mind set to be a cop. The macho authoritarianism comes in handy when dealing with violent criminals. When dealing with mouthy, though non violent and non-threating people the cop's precious egos often get hurt and you see them overacting like in the video. Really did they have to punch the lady. I knew cops who wanted the "bad neighborhood" so they could "beat people".
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    Jul 29, 2009 3:30 PM GMT
    phemt saidDon't threaten a cop's ego or you know what you will get icon_wink.gif. It takes a certain mind set to be a cop. The macho authoritarianism comes in handy when dealing with violent criminals. When dealing with mouthy, though non violent and non-threating people the cop's precious egos often get hurt and you see them overacting like in the video. Really did they have to punch the lady. I knew cops who wanted the "bad neighborhood" so they could "beat people".

    Having been in law enforcement, I know the dangers these guys face. When I have been stopped for traffic violations, I am respectful, calm and cooperative. Being confrontational, accusatory, loud and generally offensive gets you nowhere. I have never been ticketed, always let off with a warning, even though I was indeed speeding, which I would freely admit. Lying and claiming the traffic officer is wrong is the surest way to earn a ticket.

    When stopped on my motorcycle, as I dismount I remove the keys from the ignition and place them in plain sight on the saddle without being told. This tells the officer that I'm unlikely to suddenly jump on my bike and try to escape. These kinds of cooperative gestures are understood and appreciated, and I think contribute to my always avoiding a ticket. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jul 29, 2009 3:43 PM GMT
    I've had a few experiences with attitude cops and I wasn't being mouthy. Not going into them because it wasn't really nothing major. Maybe it is because Iam white. I have heard stories from blacks though. Heard of "Walking while Black"?. I am sure others can talk more from direct experience about cop's attitude and over reaction.
    Just to be clear I am not saying that all cops are bad. There are two sides of the coin: Cops keep order and put themselves in harm's way to protect others: But sometimes they also act like assholes on an ego trip. It is totally jusified to point out both sides of the issue. Maybe start a topic about "Good things Cops have done" if you wish to highlight good stuff.icon_wink.gif
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    Jul 29, 2009 4:51 PM GMT
    I HATE unprofessional cops with attitude, just as I revere and honor those with bravery and professional dedication.

    As for asserting your rights when pulled over for a traffic violation, I remember once, in 1972 I think, I was stopped by 2 cops while on my Harley. The alleged offense was that my passenger didn't have a faceshield on his helmet. Helmets for all riders on a bike were recently required in New Jersey at that time, which we both were wearing.

    I was very polite and gracious, and diplomatically told them that the new law merely required a faceshield or windshield (I actually had both) for the rider only, but not for the passenger, who only required the helmet. They argued with me, but I remained very insistent yet courteous.

    "I do really think a passenger doesn't require a faceshield by law," I said. "It would be a waste of all our times if you wrote me a ticket for this, that a court later threw out. Can you possibly check the citation authority, if you don't mind?"

    "Well, yeah, I think we have a traffic book here." one of the cops said. He was very understanding, and rather cute, as I recall. He opened the cruiser's trunk and pulled out this big ring binder.

    He thumbed to the passage. "You're right!" he exclaimed. "Only the motorcycle driver needs eye protection, not the passenger."

    "Well, thank you, officer, I do appreciate your taking the effort to double-check this. I know it's a new law, and there may be some confusion about it. I'm glad we sorted this out. Is this anything else we can do for you?"

    "No, you're free to go. Our apologies for this stop, we're just trying to enforce these new laws."

    "I understand entirely, I'm glad we were able to clear it up. You have a great day!"

    "You, too!"

    The real joke was that they had missed the 2 very real violations we were committing. My Harley only had a solo saddle for the driver, and my passenger was sitting on a bed pillow on the rear fender. The law said passengers must have a permanently attached seat with a grab strap or rail.

    Second, there were no separate foot rests for my passenger, as the law specified. He was using the rear edge of my floorboards.

    So I could have, and should have, been ticketed. Not for lack of a passenger faceshield, but for these other violations. Calm & confident is the way to go. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jul 29, 2009 4:58 PM GMT
    Do you think cops have the right to use a teaser on someone who is getting "mouthy" but is in no way threating anything but the cop's ego? Also, do you think it is right when cops "trump" up charges to get even? Every one should be respectful towards cops or anyone doing their job. However, there are times when people get mouthy with me at my job or on the street and I don't have to right to "get even" with them.
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    Jul 29, 2009 5:22 PM GMT

    "Police at it again...."

    This thread title was enough to draw me in, but then it was about police brutality.icon_cry.gificon_razz.gif

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    Jul 30, 2009 2:25 AM GMT
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    Having been in law enforcement, I know the dangers these guys face. When I have been stopped for traffic violations, I am respectful, calm and cooperative. Being confrontational, accusatory, loud and generally offensive gets you nowhere. I have never been ticketed, always let off with a warning, even though I was indeed speeding, which I would freely admit. Lying and claiming the traffic officer is wrong is the surest way to earn a ticket.

    When stopped on my motorcycle, as I dismount I remove the keys from the ignition and place them in plain sight on the saddle without being told. This tells the officer that I'm unlikely to suddenly jump on my bike and try to escape. These kinds of cooperative gestures are understood and appreciated, and I think contribute to my always avoiding a ticket. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. icon_biggrin.gif


    Here is a story about cops caught on tape planning to frame another driver.
    Yeah just be nice and polite to the cops and everything will be ok. BULLSHIT!!

    http://www.duggback.com/odd_stuff/Crooked_Cops_Caught_on_Dash_Cam/

    "Throughout the tape, the cops acknowledged what they are doing is illegal, but when you are the law, there is nothing wrong with bending it for a fellow cop, one says.
    "I don't lie and make things up ever because it's wrong, but if I need to bend it a little bit to protect a cop, I'll do it," Pressley tells Francisco after reassuring him no one will ever find out.
    "

    I wonder how many times cops abuse their power and get away with it. Since you have been in Law Enforcement - how often does this sort of cover-up between blueshield brothers really happend?
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    Jul 30, 2009 2:40 AM GMT
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    Let's not make threads where we attack police officers. it's not constructive and serves no point. bad mouthing the police seems like a good idea till you need one..... quit it


    yeah and let's not expose/sue bad Doctors who make mistakes for malpractice -- because you might actually need a Doctor when you are sick. icon_rolleyes.gif

    This is about exposing those cops who abuse their powers.
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    Jul 30, 2009 3:24 AM GMT
    i have a lot of experience with cops, usually on the fire/rescue side. and while i have been guilty of some of the infractions i've been pulled over for, i've also been unjustly pulled over for either bullshit or something fabricated.

    most cops that i have dealt with are walking egos. our most recent experience was getting pulled over for my tag lights being out. mind you, there is so much street light here that you can't see if my tag lights are working or not until you get up close. we were grilled for 30-45 minutes with multiple cop cars and drivers. accused of being drug runners with one cop ADAMANT that he was my parole officer and i was in a halfway house.

    utter fucking bullshit. we hadn't broken any law, were driving comfortably and smoothly with sparse traffic on our way to a sonic restaurant for food.

    eventually after the dogs were called off from a "I KNOW THEY HAVE DRUGS IN THERE!", we were let go without even being cited. i checked my tag lights @ sonic. they worked fine.

    earlier event. i was pulled over for lack of plates, i'd -just- moved to florida. i had new plate paperwork all filled out with dmv signatures on it - i required an officer to inspect my vehicle and return to the dmv. i was cited and even in court i ended up paying $300. again, bullshit.

    my boyfriend got pulled over, for tag lights. luckily that cop let him go, but he followed us home - about 1600 feet - to guarantee that we lived where we said we lived and were changing the bulbs. asinine annoying. although i admit, the street lighting around our neighborhood is pretty dim. it's crucially important to have well lit license plates! a massive safety issue!

    meanwhile, a) people drive around here without their lights on and cops don't pull a single one of them over. they'll drive next to them, behind them, in front of them, and never a one of them ever pulls someone over for not having their lights on. b) old people commit serious safety infractions all the time here and cause accidents all the time. old people get confused and stop in the middle of three lanes of traffic, they drive two miles an hour from inner to outer lane and back, never looking for other traffic, no signals. traffic is sliding everywhere, horns going, tires jumping curbs. luckily everyone is experienced enough with old people to manage not to wreck. does the cop in the middle of this fiasco pull the old person over? nope. just one of many many examples here.

    most cops i've encountered when being stopped for a traffic encounter are bullish and threatening and none of them will admit it when they absolutely picked the wrong vehicle.

    my boyfriend and i walked out of a nature preserve up in CT at dusk one winter evening. a pair of cops were walking around my rental car parked at the trail entrance. they separated us and grilled us and threatened to take my backpack (with laptop) and digital camera. apparently they failed to notice that hundreds of people walk these trails daily and most have cameras and that the trail entrance is designated for hikers and photographers. after 20 minutes of hassling us, they let us go.

    on the other side of the fence, in CT, firefighters control any scene regardless. even a lowly probie firefighter is in charge of a scene over a 20 year veteran cop. that's the law, and it's not new. it never ceased to amaze me however how nearly every cop has an ego attack when a firefighter tells him to do something.

    as the interwebs have made it far easier for everyone to get online, and a lot of people have cellphones with cameras now, it's far easier for police bullying to show up on film.

    to balance out the plentitude of bad apples, there are good apples in the barrel. i've met some really good guys that are cops.

    i strongly suspect that videos of police brutality are going to become increasingly prevalent.
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    Jul 30, 2009 3:27 AM GMT
    Every police force has bad apple cops in them. Ours seems to have a lot, i mean, orgy on duty in the station?? lol. While that raises my eyebrows, dropping guys off outta town in -40 without shoes....and a couple wind up dead, well. Starlight Tours are no joke. Luckliy our police force has a new chief who is actively releasing any and all info on any cases related to police officers condct on or off duty. LOTS of drunk driving/ assaults. but, at least their dealing with it. This isnt meant to make people hate cops, just make them aware and demand action against the bad ones, cuz if no action is demanded, its less likely action will be taken.
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    Aug 13, 2009 4:24 PM GMT
    Da only thing i question is this: Why r these bad cops being HIREDicon_eek.gif we need an overhaul, and get these ass-wipes out of da force, like da GOPicon_twisted.gif