EEO (equal Employment Oppertunity) experts: excluding males, hiring only females...a "fileable" complaint?

  • rnch

    Posts: 11524

    Jul 30, 2009 6:30 PM GMT
    my federal civil service employer has not hired a male for the clerical staff in the 24 years of my employment in this office; females only.

    i recently applied for a documents examiner position in this section. i made the short list, but was not chosen. A girl with much, much less civil service senority than i was chosen over me.

    can i file an EEO complaint, based on past practice of hiring females only...or am i wasting my time?
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jul 30, 2009 7:27 PM GMT
    EEO would probably be very interested in this case. The ultimate goal of EEO laws is to have a balanced workplace. I think you have a good case.

  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jul 30, 2009 8:23 PM GMT
    rnch saidmy federal civil service employer has not hired a male for the clerical staff in the 24 years of my employment in this office; females only.

    i recently applied for a documents examiner position in this section. i made the short list, but was not chosen. A girl with much, much less civil service senority than i was chosen over me.

    can i file an EEO complaint, based on past practice of hiring females only...or am i wasting my time?


    Hard telling. Even if you won, do you then want to work for folks you pissed off?

    Outside of government, most folks work "at will" and you can be terminated for something as simple as personality conflict. It could be they just don't like you. That happens.

    There is no guarantee of a job, short of being a single (e.g. Black), double (e.g., Black, female), or triple (Black, female, with handicap) whammy on EEO for the government or some very large employer that's running quota hiring.

    EEO, like ADA, has often times had the opposite affect of what was intended in the work place. I think that EEO, and ADA, should exist, if nothing else to set a standard, but, in the real world. Quota hiring, which is EEO, is not really a solution.

    Reverse discrimination is being heard by the Supreme Court. We'll see how it plays out. I'm speaking of the case where the white fireman, and the Hispanic firemen passed the test, and, none of the blacks did so no one has been promoted in seven years. I sure would call that discrimination against those who were non-black. We'll see what the Supreme Court says.

    It's like false belief systems in schools. If you allow it for one, you have to allow it for all, or get it all out.

    The line between discrimination and not can often be very, very, subjective.

    No doubt, discrimination does happen. There were some egregious things done in The South, to be sure.

    You think I could get a job at McDonald's in Texas? It'd be hard. I don't speak Spanish. I'm nobody's cousin. Is that reverse discrimination? Shouldn't they speak English? I'd likely be told I was too educated, and wouldn't stay. I've heard it many times. "Overqualified" is often used.

    Just yesterday, the office manager at an orthopedic surgeon's office told me the story of her brother, who, at 40, had a heart attack, didn't have health insurance, and was denied treatment because he was a citizen. Had he been an illegal, he would have qualified for a program. She was enraged, and, I think, rightly so. So were the folks at Parkland who told her about it. (For profit medicine is a whole nother topic.)
  • txsin

    Posts: 34

    Jul 30, 2009 11:50 PM GMT
    It can also depend on what job it is, some practices are more suited for females to work in due to the comfort of the customers for example female wellness clinics, rape victims advocates, etc... Is the employer male or female?
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jul 31, 2009 1:01 AM GMT
    rnch saidmy federal civil service employer has not hired a male for the clerical staff in the 24 years of my employment in this office; females only.

    i recently applied for a documents examiner position in this section. i made the short list, but was not chosen. A girl with much, much less civil service senority than i was chosen over me.

    can i file an EEO complaint, based on past practice of hiring females only...or am i wasting my time?


    Oh yes. In fact, all you have to do is file with EEO to get the complaint in record, then walk right into federal court. DO NOT give EEO detail. They don't need it although they will push you for it. Walk right around them into court. No need to wait once you file with EEO.

    Remember who they are there to protect.....and it is not you my friend.