Matthew 15:32-39

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    Jul 31, 2009 1:37 AM GMT
    Matthew 15:32-39


    Jesus called his disciples to him and said, "I have compassion for these people; they have already been with me three days and have nothing to eat. I do not want to send them away hungry, or they may collapse on the way." His disciples answered, "Where could we get enough bread in this remote place to feed such a crowd?" "How many loaves do you have?" Jesus asked. "Seven," they replied, "and a few small fish." He told the crowd to sit down on the ground. Then he took the seven loaves and the fish, and when he had given thanks, he broke them and gave them to the disciples, and they in turn to the people. They all ate and were satisfied. Afterward the disciples picked up seven basketfuls of broken pieces that were left over. The number of those who ate was four thousand, besides women and children. After Jesus had sent the crowd away, he got into the boat and went to the vicinity of Magadan. - Matthew 15:32-39
    Do you wonder if Jesus’ face showed a look of exasperation when his disciples remarked that there wasn’t a source for enough food in that place for all the people who had come to Jesus? It was perhaps only several months earlier that they were in a similar situation: big hungry crowd, remote area, very little food. At that time they witnessed the power of Jesus as he miraculously multiplied five loaves of bread and two fish to feed more than 5,000 people and there were leftovers (Matthew 14:13-21). Now confronted with another needful situation, how could the disciples have forgotten the lesson from their earlier experience?
    Before we shake our heads in wonder at the disciples, we better take a good look at ourselves. For don’t we often react to a new problem or challenge with wavering doubt and fearful concern, forgetting how God has mercifully and abundantly taken care of us in the past? We have to keep relearning the lesson that God is not going to forsake us and that he going to provide all things good for us.
    So Jesus didn’t become disgusted with his disciples. He simply acted in compassion on those people in need and helped the disciples learn again that they can count on him always for help. By his power and love, he will provide.
    In the same way he is patient with us. He has blessed us before, and he will bless us again, so that we keep learning to trust him in all circumstances.
    Prayer:
    Jesus, forgive me when I forget how you have blessed me in the past. When I face new problems and challenges in my life, help me put my confidence in your power and love to always help me. Amen.
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    Jul 31, 2009 4:05 AM GMT
    Thank you G_Force, for posting this. It is way too often that I attempt to only find strength in myself when facing challenges (work of relationships). But it's refreshing to remember that we are being looked after, and we have always been taken care of. I wish I could be aware of this 24/7, but the fact is I often allow myself to stray from my faith in Him. I'm glad you brought this passage to my attention tonight icon_smile.gif.
  • Sparkycat

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    Jul 31, 2009 9:05 AM GMT
    Is that scripture or just the sound of someone farting?
  • lookinsingle

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    Jul 31, 2009 9:21 AM GMT
    Sparkycat saidIs that scripture or just the sound of someone farting?


    Hey Sparky, is that really your profile pic or just you farting that made it look that way? Really... try not to be so ignorant next time. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jul 31, 2009 9:21 AM GMT
    Sparkycat saidIs that scripture or just the sound of someone farting?


    That was not necessary.
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    Jul 31, 2009 9:46 AM GMT
    surfsdown said
    Sparkycat saidIs that scripture or just the sound of someone farting?


    That was not necessary.


    Yes.....it was bloody necessary! This obsession with some of these dolts on this site with religion is ludicrous. If these people want to believe in some supreme old codger living up in the mystical clouds, fine.
    But when these daft fools start quoting from scripture it is really over the top. These bible quotes come from some stupid nonsense written by stupid humans. The same people who have caused EVERY predjudice that we Gay men face today. All of the bias against Gays stems from religion.
    So when some idiot posts this bloody bible bullshit, it is absolutely insulting to Gays everywhere.
    -Keith
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    Jul 31, 2009 10:06 AM GMT
    Anybody else feel that this post was created just to cause a debate that doesn't need to happen.

    Please don't rock the boat, but instead allow the good ship RJ to sail on through.
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    Jul 31, 2009 10:25 AM GMT
    Musclequest said
    surfsdown said
    Sparkycat saidIs that scripture or just the sound of someone farting?


    That was not necessary.


    Yes.....it was bloody necessary! This obsession with some of these dolts on this site with religion is ludicrous. If these people want to believe in some supreme old codger living up in the mystical clouds, fine.
    But when these daft fools start quoting from scripture it is really over the top. These bible quotes come from some stupid nonsense written by stupid humans. The same people who have caused EVERY predjudice that we Gay men face today. All of the bias against Gays stems from religion.
    So when some idiot posts this bible bullshit, it is absolutely insulting to Gays everywhere.
    -Keith
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    Hey Keith,

    I don't recall the need for you're reply in the spirituality forum section as necessary so therefore I'm going to regard your comment as ignorant and self-obsessed. I understand that everyone has a right to their opinion, you yours on spirituality and others on different topics. What I don't understand, is your perpetual need to state your opinion in a condescending manner. People like yourself are the reason the "gay community" is so divided and misinformed. Maybe if you and so may other gay men and women (including myself) took the time to understand where each other are coming from (on differing opinions of spirituality, politics whatever) we could agree to disagree, and move on to other really pertinent issues. All in all though, if gay men and women expect to move forward, we have to be a little less judgemental/unaware and a bit more compassionate with each other.
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    Jul 31, 2009 10:31 AM GMT
    dashdashdash saidAnybody else feel that this post was created just to cause a debate that doesn't need to happen.

    Please don't rock the boat, but instead allow the good ship RJ to sail on through.


    Rocking the boat does happen. It's a public forum. The OP has every right to post this post. And following that, I have every right to pen my thoughts on it.

    The original post, to me, is very insulting as both a Gay man and as an Atheist. By throwing this nonsense in everyone's face on this forum, it always gives me this feeling that we're being preeched at. As if these religious dolts know better then the rest of us. A sort of "let them eat cake" attitude.
    I have disallowed all religious discussions, either pro or con, at work. When I hear it, I write that person up and suspend them for the day without pay. It's divisive and has no place in public.
    Go sit in church every week and waste an hour of your life with the other daft sheep.
    -Keith
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    Jul 31, 2009 10:31 AM GMT
    Musclequest said
    surfsdown said
    Sparkycat saidIs that scripture or just the sound of someone farting?


    That was not necessary.


    Yes.....it was bloody necessary! This obsession with some of these dolts on this site with religion is ludicrous. If these people want to believe in some supreme old codger living up in the mystical clouds, fine.
    But when these daft fools start quoting from scripture it is really over the top. These bible quotes come from some stupid nonsense written by stupid humans. The same people who have caused EVERY predjudice that we Gay men face today. All of the bias against Gays stems from religion.
    So when some idiot posts this bloody bible bullshit, it is absolutely insulting to Gays everywhere.
    -Keith
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    If you don't like it, ignore the post. No one is holding a gun to your head forcing you to reply.
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    Jul 31, 2009 10:39 AM GMT
    lookinsingle said
    Musclequest said
    surfsdown said
    Sparkycat saidIs that scripture or just the sound of someone farting?


    That was not necessary.


    Yes.....it was bloody necessary! This obsession with some of these dolts on this site with religion is ludicrous. If these people want to believe in some supreme old codger living up in the mystical clouds, fine.
    But when these daft fools start quoting from scripture it is really over the top. These bible quotes come from some stupid nonsense written by stupid humans. The same people who have caused EVERY predjudice that we Gay men face today. All of the bias against Gays stems from religion.
    So when some idiot posts this bible bullshit, it is absolutely insulting to Gays everywhere.
    -Keith
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    Hey Keith,

    I don't recall the need for you're reply in the spirituality forum section as necessary so therefore I'm going to regard your comment as ignorant and self-obsessed. I understand that everyone has a right to their opinion, you yours on spirituality and others on different topics. What I don't understand, is your perpetual need to state your opinion in a condescending manner. People like yourself are the reason the "gay community" is so divided and misinformed. Maybe if you and so may other gay men and women (including myself) took the time to understand where each other are coming from (on differing opinions of spirituality, politics whatever) we could agree to disagree, and move on to other really pertinent issues. All in all though, if gay men and women expect to move forward, we have to be a little less judgemental/unaware and a bit more compassionate with each other.


    Say what you will about me. I'm used to it. LOL! But EVERY predjudice that you and I face as Gay men stems from religion. Yet these fools embrace this same religion. Bloody amazing.
    If I had my choice I would revoke churches free ride, (tax exemption).Then those that couldn't steal enough form their flocks of daft sheep to stay alive would be bulldozed to the ground! icon_cool.gif
    -Keith
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  • CarbGoggles

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    Jul 31, 2009 10:56 AM GMT
    Please lord God bless musclequest with the patients and understanding to one day realize that it's not religion that is flawed but its followers. I also pray that his hipocritical judments do nothing to widen the gap of compassion amongst your children. Amenicon_wink.gif
  • lookinsingle

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    Jul 31, 2009 11:00 AM GMT
    Musclequest said
    lookinsingle said
    Musclequest said
    surfsdown said
    Sparkycat saidIs that scripture or just the sound of someone farting?


    That was not necessary.


    Yes.....it was bloody necessary! This obsession with some of these dolts on this site with religion is ludicrous. If these people want to believe in some supreme old codger living up in the mystical clouds, fine.
    But when these daft fools start quoting from scripture it is really over the top. These bible quotes come from some stupid nonsense written by stupid humans. The same people who have caused EVERY predjudice that we Gay men face today. All of the bias against Gays stems from religion.
    So when some idiot posts this bible bullshit, it is absolutely insulting to Gays everywhere.
    -Keith
    icon_evil.gif


    Hey Keith,

    I don't recall the need for you're reply in the spirituality forum section as necessary so therefore I'm going to regard your comment as ignorant and self-obsessed. I understand that everyone has a right to their opinion, you yours on spirituality and others on different topics. What I don't understand, is your perpetual need to state your opinion in a condescending manner. People like yourself are the reason the "gay community" is so divided and misinformed. Maybe if you and so may other gay men and women (including myself) took the time to understand where each other are coming from (on differing opinions of spirituality, politics whatever) we could agree to disagree, and move on to other really pertinent issues. All in all though, if gay men and women expect to move forward, we have to be a little less judgemental/unaware and a bit more compassionate with each other.


    Say what you will about me. I'm used to it. LOL! But EVERY predjudice that you and I face as Gay men stems from religion. Yet these fools embrace this same religion. Bloody amazing.
    If I had my choice I would revoke churches free ride, (tax exemption).Then those that couldn't steal enough form their flocks of daft sheep to stay alive would be bulldozed to the ground! icon_cool.gif
    -Keith
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    LOL what a typical gay man focusing on his self-image and taking the defensive route when none other is available. I have an idea haha, look beyond yourself and read what I wrote, it's not all about YOUUUU lol. I agree that RELIGION bears the justification of your anger. There are a lot of churches that claim these self-justifying routes of holiness and anti-gay that will bring you life everlasting. Haha and I agree that it's laughable. But what I won't support is self-justifying a..holes that claim to put every "religious person" into this box that says they are out to get every gay guy and condemn them to hell. I don't question or condemn your choice to be an atheist nor should you choose to take your preconceived notions and enforce them onto every "religious" person. Stop being so closed-minded and realize that we may have differing opinions but that doesn't mean I'm out to get you. Grow up.

    Danny
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    Jul 31, 2009 11:38 AM GMT
    Jesus is a sadistic son-of-a-bitch

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    Jul 31, 2009 7:19 PM GMT
    For the record, I am an atheist - I just think the comment was over the top. As someone else above said, just ignore the poster if you don't want to read his comments.
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    Jul 31, 2009 7:38 PM GMT
    Has anyone here seen 'Jesus Camp?'
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    Jul 31, 2009 7:40 PM GMT
    scariest movie of all time
  • Sparkycat

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    Jul 31, 2009 7:52 PM GMT
    Lighten the fuck up people. These are public forums. Free speech reigns. Someone posted something, and I responded. We all have a right to do that. I don't care if I insulted someone. We're all big boys. Deal with it.
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    Jul 31, 2009 7:55 PM GMT
    1 Corinthians 6:9

    Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be decieved; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,

    Based on the Bible: If you are a homosexual you are excluded from the Kingdom of God! Kinda sad when homosexuals support something which works against their interests icon_rolleyes.gif
    Repent from your Homosexual ways or burn in hell icon_twisted.gif - that is the Bibical message for people like G_Force and other "Gay Christians".
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    Jul 31, 2009 8:02 PM GMT
    I do believe in free speech, as I have noted before in other threads. In a public forum, it's to be expected that people will post topics that are questionable or inappropriate. I have done that myself.

    That being said, I'm going to tongue-lash the OP.

    Religion is for the weak. Religion is for those who require some sort of third party to either mediate their thoughts or enable them to do something they would not have otherwise done. For many, it is a reason to love, as much as an excuse to hate.

    Either way, I have seen little or no scripture or other materials posted by those who subscribe to religions other than Christianity. Evangelists need to just shut up. You may consider a post from the book of Matthew to be relevant, somehow, to a struggle you're enduring. And the prayer-- well, I suggest you just say that to yourself. Actually, I didn't even read it. Anyway, here's a site that's more appropriate for your posting: http://www.beliefnet.com

    This post somehow felt like a Mormon knocking on my door.

    The last time that happened, many years back, my friend and I invited them in. We sat them down in the living room, and she made some tea for us all to enjoy while I gently placed my hand on both of their legs. I'm fairly convinced that one guy was interested. While one guy politely asked me to remove my hand from his leg, the other let it go on for quite some time. And he held my hand *just* a little too long as he gently removed it from his leg. It was perfect.

    What did I learn, and what did they learn?

    I learned that 50% of the Mormons who have ever knocked on my door are gay and are denying their own existence in the name of the Bible. Idiots.

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    Jul 31, 2009 8:07 PM GMT
    I dont see how the passage he quoted, and the questions he asked afterwards are an insult to gay men....or anyone else, except for the disciples themselves.

    I think you're just being whiny...
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    Jul 31, 2009 8:10 PM GMT
    I'd encourage anyone who wants to have an intelligent conversation about the bible and homosexuality to follow the link provided. I really enjoy this web-site and its mission of religious tolerance. I guess that's why it's called religioustolerance.org ;)

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibl.htm

    Another great resource is the movie "For the Bible Tells Me So."

    http://grab-videos.com/for-the-bible-tells-me-so-watch-movie-online/

    On a personal note, although religious misunderstanding has lead to some serious hardships for homosexuals, I do not believe it has lead to all of them. People are often afraid of things they see as different and let's face it, we're just different than the "norm."

    Religion can also be beneficial to some. My faith helped me not only to come out but also to accept myself as an individual.
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    Jul 31, 2009 8:23 PM GMT
    Tapper I love your comments on the forums. Always hilarious and well placed.

    I don't see a problem with being gay and Christian or even posting relevant religious topics but I don't know that this post really belongs.
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    Jul 31, 2009 8:33 PM GMT
    tommysguns2000 saidI dont see how the passage he quoted, and the questions he asked afterwards are an insult to gay men....or anyone else, except for the disciples themselves.

    I think you're just being whiny...


    God save us from militant atheists. They are just as pushy as Mormon missionaries or Jehovahs' Witnessess. To people like this guy, the entire Christian message, all of it, is complete crap, yet they won't ignore it as one should ignore crap. They won't shut up about it, and won't stop telling those of us who are followers of the philosopher Jesus of Nazareth (I don't buy any of the Christian mythology about virgin birth and resurrection one bit) how deluded we are...
  • danisnotstr8

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    Jul 31, 2009 9:02 PM GMT
    I've given some thought to what I posted before. I think I was wrong.... This was posted in the "spirituality" section. It's fine. I just don't like that it's in the top ten on the front page taking up space. Then again, those same top ten include other threads that are shallow, trite, and otherwise unimportant.

    G_Force, I am sorry about saying it was inappropriate. I disagree with many aspects of Christianity, but I do endorse Jarhead5536 in his choice to follow "Jesus of Nazareth" rather than the church itself. Although SOME of the Bible is wrong and was written by haters, MUCH of the Bible is a rich source of metaphor.

    In this section: [His disciples answered, "Where could we get enough bread in this remote place to feed such a crowd?" "How many loaves do you have?" Jesus asked. "Seven," they replied, "and a few small fish."],

    I like the underlying sense of urgency. No one asked "Should we try to feed the crowd?" but instead they asked "How can we help?" They all knew they would feed the crowd, because good people help others without question. It was a matter of figuring out the answer to an otherwise impossible task.

    So, I've taken a deep breath, and I have crossed my own resistance to scripture. I will maintain, however, that whereas Jesus serves as a perfect role model for many, his association with the church, rather than Christianity, makes his amazing messages very difficult for many of us to hear.

    This passage is just one of many messages, both sacred and secular, that reinforce the way I think all people should live:

    One day, when I was singing in a Presbyterian church for money, when the (very liberal and deep thinking) Reverend Campbell offered his sermon, he spoke for 20 minutes about "the most important four words in the English language." He went through various examples and gave both good and bad reasons for their consideration. His conclusion, however, was the very question the disciples asked here in the book of Matthew.

    The most important four words in any language are "How can I help?"