Right Wing Perspective

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    Aug 01, 2009 3:19 PM GMT
    How is it that Eric Cantor, who earlier was reported as "...finding it ironic that those most eager to talk about the President’s citizenship are in fact some of his biggest cheerleaders–whether it’s Chris Matthews or others on MSNBC, the Huffington Post, or camera toting liberal bloggers chasing people through the streets of Washington."

    What is the g'damned disconnect between reality and how the GOP perceives things?

    These so-called "liberal bloggers/media" and their efforts to expose "birthers" in the Senate/Congress are NOT perpetuating the idea that Obama is not an American citizen. Rather, their questions seek to reveal those that would question his national identity.

    Grrrrr

    U.S.A. takes one step forward, three to four back.
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    Aug 01, 2009 3:32 PM GMT
    You sure do love politics.
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    Aug 01, 2009 8:37 PM GMT
    you are going to give yourself a hernia icon_biggrin.gificon_smile.gif
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    Aug 01, 2009 9:14 PM GMT
    I saw the same report on "Hardball" yesterday and could not help laughing. The hard right is in a complete state of denial. They cannot accept that we have an African-Anerican President and consequently reject his legitimacy by denying that he is even an American! On the same program there was a poll that showed a majority of self-identified Republicans either do not believe that Obama is a citizen or ""aren't sure," That is damn frightening. 9 out of 10 polled in the northeast, midwest and west believed Obama was a citizen; a majority of those in the south did not.
    The Boehners, Cantors, Blounts etc of the Republican leadership are, to me, in the same situation as the Geman conservative parties, Von Papen, et al) who believed they could easily control the Nazis when they came to power.
    No, I don't think we are faced with that possibility, but we do have in our midst a more virulent group of haters than we have ever had. As a resident of DC, I am mmore afraid of a right-wing terrorist attack here than in al-Qaeda etc. attack.

    Keep after them, ucla_matta!
  • calibro

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    Aug 01, 2009 10:46 PM GMT
    Well, did someone tell them McCain wasn't born in America?
  • EricLA

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    Aug 02, 2009 12:00 AM GMT
    My jaw dropped when I heard fewer than 50% of Republicans believe Obama was born in the U.S. Really? REALLY? You're shitting me! I can understand how there could be a fringe who believed that. But 28% of them do not think he was born in the U.S. and a whopping 30% weren't sure. A THIRD of Republicans weren't satisfied with the State of Hawaii presenting Obama's birth certificate? Wow.

    And don't get me started on this whole "Kill Granny" thing Republicans are trying to stir up to kill Healthcare reform. It might just work, but really, how stupid can people be?

    Don't answer that...
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    Aug 02, 2009 12:11 AM GMT
    As far as a disconnect goes, I really do believe that a lot of "modern" conservatives (i.e. the ones who couldn't pick barry goldwater out of a line-up and seem to think that being right wing means being a shill for anybody who can cut you a big enough check) exhibit almost a cult-like attitude in their interactions with the world at large.

    Listen to most of them talk and it's like they are never wrong, they just look bad because EVERYBODY but everybody is against them. Hollywood, the news media, academia, civil rights groups, environmentalists, anybody in DC who can speak in complete sentences, etc. - they're all part of a vast conspiracy to defame and demoralize those who see this country for the center-right nation that it truly is. Whenever some group that opposes the right cites evidence, makes an argument or opens their mouth, they are immediately dismissed as not knowing the truth, being delusional, being out to spread lies, etc.

    A lot of that is virtually synonymous with cults - you can only trust those who are one of us, all outsiders are wrong. Cults don't teach you to judge an argument on its merits or else they'd lose your obedience. Cults just tell you that anything said by an outsider is by definition wrong.

    For the record, I'm not saying all conservatives are like this. I have some conservative views myself, but it astounds me how far today's republicans have strayed from the values in which they profess to believe.
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    Aug 02, 2009 12:20 AM GMT
    ucla_matta saidRather, their questions seek to reveal those that would question his national identity.


    Not just his, but every and any other minority in a public and political position.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Aug 02, 2009 12:23 AM GMT
    ucla_matta said

    What is the g'damned disconnect between reality and how the GOP perceives things?



    I think the real disconnect is how some seem to want to lump ALL Republicans into the same "reality". There are many differences in thinking on any issue within the party, just as there is in any party and, yes, that includes the Democrats.

    Also, the suggestion that the majority of Republicans either don't believe (or don't know) that Obama is a citizen is ridiculous and just not true. Sure, there are those skeptics or those that would like to cast doubt or stir the pot, but no one with a brain is listening to them anymore than that small faction of Democrats hell-bent on impeaching Bush and/or Cheney for war crimes were taken all that seriously. There will always be those on the fringe regardless of the political party.
  • Abe13

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    Aug 02, 2009 12:26 AM GMT
    The only thing I have noticed, and this is not against either side but against the media as a whole. Why is this topic being brought up again. I didn't vote for him, but he won, so I deal with it. Leave the past there and move on. They did this to Bush and his income as well. The GOP said it was none of their(the media) business. But all of that information eventuall came out. So this birth-certificate thing will clean up in time.
    The media is the real problem with this whole political situation. They keep beating a dead horse and then try to blame one side or the other. Let it go already.
  • jlly_rnchr

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    Aug 02, 2009 1:04 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    ucla_matta said

    What is the g'damned disconnect between reality and how the GOP perceives things?



    I think the real disconnect is how some seem to want to lump ALL Republicans into the same "reality". There are many differences in thinking on any issue within the party, just as there is in any party and, yes, that includes the Democrats.

    Also, the suggestion that the majority of Republicans either don't believe (or don't know) that Obama is a citizen is ridiculous and just not true. Sure, there are those skeptics or those that would like to cast doubt or stir the pot, but no one with a brain is listening to them anymore than that small faction of Democrats hell-bent on impeaching Bush and/or Cheney for war crimes were taken all that seriously. There will always be those on the fringe regardless of the political party.


    No offense, but I think this argument is kind of bogus. "Moderate" Republicans like to say this. They say, "It's only a small minority of us that believe these things." But those percentages are pretty astounding. And it seems that this "minority" of conservatives are the only ones speaking. If the only people I hear speak about an issue are Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh, then I'm going to associate these opinions with all Republicans. It's not my fault that hardly anyone from the right will speak up for Obama except for John McCain. He, along with those two closeted Democrats from Maine, are about the only Republicans that I respect.

    And don't blame MSNBC for keeping the story alive. They have to report what's going on in Washington, but at least their tone let's us know that they think it's ridiculous. You can blame Lou Dobbs though, he's a moron with bad teeth.
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    Aug 02, 2009 1:16 AM GMT
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    Aug 02, 2009 1:21 AM GMT
    Chris Matthews of MSNBC is a complete whore. He did his best to sink Hillary's Presidential chances because he never liked Bill. Now that his hero Barack has the White House, he's trashing him to gain more ratings points.

    The man has no honor, no morals, no values, and no worth. I no longer pay any attention to his program, or to anything he says. Which mainly consists of preventing his guests from speaking, so he can pontificate his own agenda.
  • jlly_rnchr

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    Aug 02, 2009 1:28 AM GMT
    Red_Vespa saidChris Matthews of MSNBC is a complete whore. He did his best to sink Hillary's Presidential chances because he never liked Bill. Now that his hero Barack has the White House, he's trashing him to gain more ratings points.

    The man has no honor, no morals, no values, and no worth. I no longer pay any attention to his program, or to anything he says. Which mainly consists of preventing his guests from speaking, so he can pontificate his own agenda.

    He just shuts them up when they're being morons. Him and Rachel are my two favorites. Neither of them "trash" Obama, they just want him to live up to his promises and his potential.
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    Aug 03, 2009 4:43 AM GMT
    Why doesn't RJ host more angry/politically-centered/topical threads? The world would be a better place if we're all at each other's throats.

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  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Aug 03, 2009 5:03 AM GMT
    jlly_rnchr said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    ucla_matta said

    What is the g'damned disconnect between reality and how the GOP perceives things?



    I think the real disconnect is how some seem to want to lump ALL Republicans into the same "reality". There are many differences in thinking on any issue within the party, just as there is in any party and, yes, that includes the Democrats.

    Also, the suggestion that the majority of Republicans either don't believe (or don't know) that Obama is a citizen is ridiculous and just not true. Sure, there are those skeptics or those that would like to cast doubt or stir the pot, but no one with a brain is listening to them anymore than that small faction of Democrats hell-bent on impeaching Bush and/or Cheney for war crimes were taken all that seriously. There will always be those on the fringe regardless of the political party.


    No offense, but I think this argument is kind of bogus. "Moderate" Republicans like to say this. They say, "It's only a small minority of us that believe these things." But those percentages are pretty astounding.


    The percentages are the only thing that is bogus. I know many Republicans, even gay Republicans, and not a one of them thinks along the lines of Newt Gingrich or Rush Limbaugh -- maybe on a few issues, but certainly not on all. To paint all Republicans with the same broad brush is simply naive and misinformed.