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    Dec 02, 2007 6:05 PM GMT
    Man, I'm glad I don't work at a high school:

    Shower together at school? No way, dude
    Hygiene - Teens say they lack time, but the idea of peering peers also could be why the rite is now passe
    Sunday, December 02, 2007
    WENDY OWEN
    The Oregonian
    As 500 or so teens gyrated at the Lake Oswego High School homecoming dance, administrators noticed what one described as a change in "the atmosphere."

    The football players had won the game, changed back into their street clothes and gone straight to the dance. No showers.

    But they aren't the only ones to blame for the malodorous environment in schools. It's a rare student who showers after sports or gym classes these days. A quick dab of deodorant and a dousing of cologne or perfume, and it's on to the next class.

    Communal showers -- the awkward rite of passage into puberty -- are a thing of the past. In fact, Oregon schools haven't required showers for at least a decade. The same is true nationally.

    Students say they don't have time to shower. Psychologists and educators say kids also are more sensitive about body image partly because they live in a world saturated by the media's idea of perfection.

    For some athletes, such as wrestlers, showers are mandatory because of the threat of skin infections. But for most students, toweling off at the sink after P.E. is the closest they come.

    "The only person I saw take a shower this year was a Canadian kid that moved here," said Jack Taylor, a Wilsonville High sophomore.

    No time, no sweat

    No single event forced schools to drop the shower requirement, although there was a legal challenge in Pennsylvania in the early 1990s.

    ...

    When Lake Oswego built a new high school three years ago, it cut the number of showers by about half.

    "Why take up so much space when nobody uses them?" said Bruce Plato, the school's principal.

    ...

    "We never really think about it," said Jane Rogers, a senior at Cleveland High School in Southeast Portland. The locker room has one usable shower, she said.

    ...
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    http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/1196492124116850.xml&coll=7&thispage=1
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    Dec 02, 2007 6:38 PM GMT
    Even in 80's, our high school never require us to take shower.
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    Dec 02, 2007 7:03 PM GMT
    Well its true- in my high school we have like only 10 minutes to change and go to the next class and so if one was to shower they would be late
    However what i dont understand is the kids who dont have gym but still dont shower in the mornings or even use deodorant
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    Dec 02, 2007 7:09 PM GMT
    Showering after gym class was a requirement from the time I was in 6th grade until I graduated from high school. I'm with you, Mindgarden, that's pretty gross, but I guess not too surprising.

    I also remember that in every Oregon public school I attended, bathroom stalls did not have doors -- but that was the case only in boy's restrooms, not the girl's restrooms. I'm not sure if it is still policy. Probably not.
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    Dec 02, 2007 7:38 PM GMT
    When I was in high school, a couple years ago, showering was a NO-NO. What I am about to say was not a rule or regulation enforced by the school, but common locker-room custom. If you took a shower it was because you rinsed the pool water off of you, but you had to have trunks on. No one would shower in the nude because they would automatically be considered a “fag.” The Rule did not just include the shower. You could not be naked. Everyone waited for the stalls. There were only 2 so there was always a long line.

    We only had about 10 to 5 minutes to change before we had to go to the next class. So taking your time to clean up was not an option, but even if you did you would be a “fag.”

    I think the reason why it was this way in my school was because everyone was scared. Our society represents naked to be directly corresponding with sex and naughtiness. When our culture does mention the naked male they mostly talk about big dicks. The kids believe that they can’t be nude and they are very uncomfortable with showing themselves because they don’t know what an average penis is. On top of that they are all in puberty and we know how awkward that is.

    Even today guys are scared to be naked in the locker-room. At my gym I am one of the only guys that will undress to take a shower. Everyone makes it apparent that they MUST look away when I am nude. Most men just but their bags in the locker room and never take off their shirt. The only other guys that undress are old men especially the Asian ones. People are scared for some odd reason. I think it is mostly because of our society and culture shuns it.
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    Dec 02, 2007 8:41 PM GMT
    This seems particularly odd since today's kids show more flesh in their regular school clothes than we did in gym class (except, apparently, in the shower.) At our high school, you could be sent home for wearing shorts or a sleeveless shirt, outside of gym.

    Anyway, the article goes on to mention:

    West Linn High School football coach Ron Chappell said he's noticed a trend over the years among his players who cleanse after practice.

    "The more kids we have shower, the better team we have," he said.

    The more comfortable the kids are with one another, the better camaraderie on the field, he said.


    Or maybe they just smell better.
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    Dec 02, 2007 9:35 PM GMT
    I remember gym class. We had 6 minutes to get to the locker room and change out of our gym uniforms back into our street clothes before we had to leave for our next class. The gym was at one end of the school away from all the classrooms.

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    Dec 02, 2007 10:01 PM GMT
    There really isn't time for a shower... I barely had time to change gym clothes and get to my next class.

    Although, here in Nebraska, there's been some push to turn schools into a year round setup with each class lasting for close to two hours. I'd imagine there'd be plenty of time then.

    Even if I did have time to shower I doubt I would have. Our gym teacher was a creep... seemed to enjoy watching us all change a little too much.

    I also agree with gigman about "The Rule". If you so much as even glanced at another guy in the locker room you got hit with the 'fag' label.
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    Dec 02, 2007 10:14 PM GMT
    I always tried to make sure that I had gym at the end of the day. That way I could change and walk home without worrying about stinking up a classroom.

    However, now, I don't care. When I'm at the gym, I hit the shower then it's back to work.
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    Dec 03, 2007 1:13 AM GMT
    Back in the '60s, when I was in HS, we always showered.
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    Dec 03, 2007 1:23 AM GMT
    Sounds like my high school. When I went there (late 90's) nobody showered. Neither the PE teachers nor the athletics coaches ever encouraged it either.
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    Dec 03, 2007 5:55 AM GMT
    Even my junior high school had showers - and a pool.....no big deal. My college, however had a huge room with shower polls - coming out of the ceiling with about six shower heads on each one - the room had about eight of these polls. It was something else - seeing all those guys showering together - so close to each other - getting half-hard sometimes - easy to meet someone - the eye contact thing - then leaving for the lockers - then maybe a private room somewhere.
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    Dec 03, 2007 3:30 PM GMT
    this has been a real beef for me for a long time.

    the mind boggles.

    when i was at school/college in the 70s/80s we were encouraged to shower altogether, of course naked, after rugby or whatever. there were embarrassed giggles etc but we basically just got on with it. it was about hygiene but also, and very importantly, socialisation. boys could see eachothers' bodies. understand what we all look like. how different and yet completely the same we all are. what could be healthier?

    and yet now, no showers, no nakedness unless you are a fag?

    we've gone backwards. we live in an increasingly sexualised society, flesh on show everywhere. boys walking round with their arses hanging out the back of their trousers and then fighting to get their underwear on and off under a towel at the gym. or worse wearing it into the shower. and then furtively looking at eachother because they just never get to see what another man actually looks like naked.

    it's pathetic and dangerous and extremely unhealthy in my view.

    our attitude to sex and the naked body is completely fucked up.
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    Dec 03, 2007 3:42 PM GMT
    This generation of kids is billed as being the most open-minded about homosexuality, but in all honesty that isn't really saying much now is it?

    I have never seen a generation of young men that are--at the same time--more gay aware; more homophobic (in the classic sense of the word); and more GAY than this one.

    They are obsessed with shaving their body hair, wearing the right clothes and--in their own terms--being all "pimped" out. Yet, they label things that have any sense of order or finesse to them as "gay," and they are scared of the very idea of public showers or any form of friendship that looks like anything beyond the most platonic of relationships.

    Their fear of the showers isn't so much a gay thing, though, as it is an issue of being pampered. They can't imagine showering somewhere that doesn't offer the amenities of home.
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    Dec 03, 2007 4:47 PM GMT
    most of my gym classes were a pointless waste of time where it was very seldom you would even break a sweat anyway. however, after football practice I always took a shower. granted it was just me & the 2 team captains, but still. i thought it was vile to put my street clothes on over top of sweat, mud & grass stains.
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    Dec 03, 2007 8:26 PM GMT

    we don't have showers in our schools and we'll never have I guess..
    it's not acceptable in this society to shower together ..(maybe if they do the gay community will become more exposed)
    besides, our sport lesson is only running after a ball for half an hour icon_confused.gif .. really stupid..
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    Dec 03, 2007 8:38 PM GMT
    I don't understand why they don't simply put in dividers if this is such an issue for these schools.

    It's amusing to me that I didn't get an "ew gross" reaction to this article, since very few in my high school ever showered after gym either. Granted, my gym class was always the last period of the day so I went right from there to soccer or tennis practice, making a shower after gym a bit of a waste, but I'm not sure how much that had to do with it. Showering wasn't mandated, encouraged, or socially discouraged. A few people did, though most didn't.
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    Dec 04, 2007 3:50 AM GMT
    We always had like 5 minutes to change and get to class... there just wasn't time!

    There were a few occasions where I would, either because I really needed it, or because one of the wrestlers was using it icon_wink.gif
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    Dec 04, 2007 4:30 AM GMT
    Yeah, but guys no one is that surprised about not showering after gym. We didn't have any more time for that in the 80s than you do now. It's that these guys are leaving from a FOOTBALL GAME and going directly to a dance afterwards. There is PLENTY of time for them to shower, and they should. Which is worse, being seen naked after a game or sweating all over your date after a game? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Dec 04, 2007 5:11 AM GMT
    I grew up in NC, graduated high school in 1980... and all through school, from about the 5th grade on, we had to shower (naked, of course) after gym. We had an open shower at the school... a big room with shower heads along each side and no partitions or anything between. In high school when we'd go to the pool for gym (off campus), they had these round showers, divided into little pie-shaped sections that were just barely big enough for two guys to fit in. There was a shower head on either side of each section, so you always had some guy showering right behind you, and you couldn't help brushing up against each other because of the size of the stalls. Honestly, it wasn't a big deal, either... except that I had a huge crush on the guy that always shared my shower stall with me... and we did eventually have a little fling during the summer... but that's another story... icon_wink.gif

    I really don't get why our society is so freakin' hung up about sexuality, nudity, and now public showers. Its stupid. Absolutely stupid. icon_rolleyes.gif Nudity has never bothered me... we all came into the world naked... what's the big deal?
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    Dec 11, 2007 5:16 AM GMT
    Yes, I'm another fresh out of high school guy who did not shower after gym. Like everyone else has said, There wasnt time, and if there was time, it was against the rules to shower. In fact most people just changed thier shoes in gym. I actually never even went to the locker room period, most people didnt. This may sound spoiled but you didnt even have to participate in gym class if you didnt want to. Most kids just walked around and talked while texting friends in other classes on thier cell phones.icon_neutral.gif If you were a real sporty person, you could request a basketball and you could quietly shoot hoops on the other side of the gym.

    I'm pretty sure that we werent made to be active, so the students wouldnt make thier daddies sue the school for exhaustion and abuse. Yes, I'm being serious.

    Oh and I think the shower thing is an ancient concept now because homosexuality is such a hot topic in society now, and no school wants a case of a boy being raped by another boy in the gym showers. Think about it.icon_twisted.gif
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    Dec 11, 2007 5:46 AM GMT
    NativeDudeI really don't get why our society is so freakin' hung up about sexuality, nudity, and now public showers. Its stupid. Absolutely stupid. Nudity has never bothered me... we all came into the world naked... what's the big deal?


    I blame the Puritans. Their nasty attitude about sex still stains our culture today.
  • calipally

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    Dec 11, 2007 5:46 AM GMT
    I swam for both high school and college and we all showered naked. Guys rip on each other, but there never was a weird vibe. Americans have become too hyper sensitive about almost everything, but especially about our bodies. Seriously, do you think the rugby players featured in Dieux du Stade are gay? Not even close. They just don't have any problems with their bodies or issues with their masculinity/sexuality. Now see if you could get American athletes to do something like that together.

    Will never happen.
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    Dec 11, 2007 8:23 PM GMT
    In my high school, it was not forced. We were not forced because our gym teachers had bad/awkward shower experiences in high school.

    I always wanted to because we had an alternating schedule, but there was no time and I would get docked grade points for being late. I hate that dry sweat smell and that kind of dirty feeling. As soon as I got home, I would take my shower.

    I really don’t care about being naked or not. I don’t care to be cause I don’t quite like my body right now, but we all are made of the same parts. You wouldn’t see anything you have never seen before.

    But in all honesty, if we were forced to shower together, I would have been out-ed way earlier in my life.