Obama? What we expected? Buying out American Car companies, bailing out Financial companies, starting a Government Health Care Company to compete with private companies? Keeping his promise to Gays? Too much? Not enough? Is he or is he not what you voted for?

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    Aug 05, 2009 10:55 AM GMT
    No agenda here. Just throwing out the question.....
  • rnch

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    Aug 05, 2009 11:56 AM GMT
    i didn't trust him.

    i didn't believe in him.

    i didn't vote for him.


    (i didn't vote for johnnymac either)
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    Aug 05, 2009 12:06 PM GMT
    So who did you vote for, if anyone? And why?
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    Aug 05, 2009 1:39 PM GMT
    This is what the next three years is going to be about Obama bashing this is just as sickening to me as the Bush bashing. You all sit back bash this and bash that like you could do a better job eh! Bush had a lot on his plate and he made a lot of questionable decisions regarding the direction of this country in the 8 years that he was in office.

    Obama only been in office what 8months and within that time there are signs that the economy is improving. That is due to the bailout of the financial institutions and auto industry and both the past and current administration can take credit for that.

    The current administration has made NO promises to the gay community.
    The president NEVER said that he would over-turn the don't ask don't tell policy. Nor should he get involved with gay marriage issue that is for local government and the high courts to sort out. There is no promise broken there.

    I will say however that no seemed to have pointed out that there has no been a reduction in troops in Iraq that he did promise. As a matter of fact
    we have service men and women actually doing extended tours...my nephew being one of them. That's the promise I'm waiting to be met.

    I feel just like with Bush or any president no matter how good they are there will always be those who would his that he fails at the job and the irony is, if our President fails the country fails. Wouldn't it make sense that we would want our sitting president no matter who he or she is to succeed?
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    Aug 05, 2009 1:50 PM GMT
    A great deal of the population voted for Obama the Superhero, expecting sweeping changes and drastic results within months of him being in office. And, of course, that part of the population was let down when things didn't turn out all peachy-keen as soon as Obama was elected.

    If you're an employer and have unrealistic expectations for your employees, then there's a good chance they'll fail in your eyes. You don't need a superhero; you just need someone who's good at their job.

    I don't think Obama is a superhero, but I do think Obama is much better at his job than Bush. And THAT'S what we needed.
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    Aug 05, 2009 1:55 PM GMT
    i trusted him

    i believed in him

    i voted for him

    i wish I hadn't so that i wouldn't have to be kicking myself for it now. i should have stayed at home and voted for Pedro.

    I fell for it this one time, but I won't allow it to happen again.

    This is all politics as usual. There is no change, but there will be soon enough, just not the kind of change we were promised. I predict higher taxes for all, a wealthier class of rich, a less stable middle class, a lot more lower class/poor and, of course, a much stronger Right by 2012.

    May God have mercy on us all.
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    Aug 05, 2009 2:03 PM GMT
    Obama is cute, period.
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    Aug 05, 2009 2:09 PM GMT
    It seems we have a hit-and-run topic poster.

    No agenda. Uh-huh.
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    Aug 05, 2009 2:13 PM GMT
    charlitos saidObama is cute, period.


    Many would agree with that statement. Many voted for him because they felt he was cute. icon_confused.gif

    That's what I love about today's youth. History and education be damned. All you need is a nice smile and catchy tagline, and you're in! icon_cry.gif
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    Aug 05, 2009 2:16 PM GMT
    Tapper that's want happens when you buy into the hype. Thank God I only believed in the man and not the hype. I still do by the way it's wayyy to early for me to stop believing. There hasn't been any major mis-steps.
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    Aug 05, 2009 2:21 PM GMT
    Consider what state the country would be in if McCain were elected. We are a lot better off.
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    Aug 05, 2009 2:25 PM GMT
    Tapper saidi trusted him

    i believed in him

    i voted for him

    i wish I hadn't so that i wouldn't have to be kicking myself for it now. i should have stayed at home and voted for Pedro.

    I fell for it this one time, but I won't allow it to happen again.

    This is all politics as usual. There is no change, but there will be soon enough, just not the kind of change we were promised. I predict higher taxes for all, a wealthier class of rich, a less stable middle class, a lot more lower class/poor and, of course, a much stronger Right by 2012.

    May God have mercy on us all.


    Tapper, I am sorry to hear you are so let down. But to be honest, I am actually hopeful that there are still people out there who arent blinded by faith, holding onto transparent threads of "hope in Obama".

    Your opinion on the man has clearly changed according to the actions he has taken as President. That makes you a thinking person, and that makes me hopeful that other people might follow suit.

    There are some people that will defend him to the end, justifying everything he does because their feelings toward him are based in faith and belief - almost religious - in that all they have to do is "believe" he is making the right decisions, and then they can feel okay, because, after all... nobody likes to feel like they were duped or lied to.

    Unfortunately, I agree with all your predictions (and some!).

    But i mean that, i am hopeful that some people are changing their minds. And I use the word "hope" purposely because my hope is never reserved for politicians, but instead for the actual people - because the thing i have noticed through history is that all great changes came from the people demanding and fighting for them. no politician has taken it upon himself to be a benevolent god-send working for nothing but the people's interest. and those who claim to be as much, are the worst of the bunch.

    so... i have hope that some minds are changing. im afraid they arent changing fast enough, though.

    but again Tapper, don't beat yourself up or feel like an idiot, because clearly you arent. Someone who can recognize a mistake in thinking and alter their thinking accordingly tends to be much more perceptive and intelligent than most. if it werent for mistakes being made, we would never know how to make good choices. one thing i think i can say confidently, is that i dont think you will get duped again. and now isnt that hopeful? i think so.
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    Aug 05, 2009 2:27 PM GMT

    LOL Tapper, what Ducky said. We usually hold our noses and vote for the least damaging of the parties running - remembering (see, we have the Queen as an example) that the leaders are not all powerful and have to dance in time to whatever awful tune (state of affairs) the last government left playing. Change is slow.
    Personally, we think the last government left all kinds paradoxical boobytraps in place to slow change even more - and it's having its desired effect - people are getting disillusioned and the Republican party will win next time on doubts about the Prez rather than a better government.

    As for this topic, what a pile of turd. No agenda, just throwing a molotov cocktail into a site and then leaving. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Aug 05, 2009 2:27 PM GMT
    Considering just bad a state we were in when he was elected... he's doing fantastic.

    As far as the health care goes... that's what I voted for. You try not being able to afford health care, and have a hospital stay.

    Next October I'll finally be able to stop paying %25 of my checks to doctors.

    And remember... would you really have wanted Palin getting even MORE media coverage then she is?
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    Aug 05, 2009 2:30 PM GMT
    antelope saidConsider what state the country would be in if McCain were elected. We are a lot better off.


    That's very, very true. Unfortunately, we were left with choosing the lesser of two evils, though both suck immense-yet-limp dicks.

    Funny, but this is the first time I've ever regretted voting. When there's nobody to vote for, do you vote for the one you know will take longer not to deliver his/her campaign promises, or the one you know will fuck you faster? Or do you not vote at all? I'm beginning to believe that not voting sends a better message than voting does, but it's a little too late to ponder that one.

    Next time, and assuming Obama keeps on mixing this recipe for disaster he's been working on with the geniuses in his administration, I'll vote by not voting at all.
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    Aug 05, 2009 2:34 PM GMT
    charlitos saidObama is cute, period.


    When folks say queer folks are weird, they think about these sorts of views. It shows how out of touch some folks truly are.

    Infantile, at best....
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    Aug 05, 2009 2:39 PM GMT
    With regard to President Oboma:

    The guy has his hands full. Even though the Dems are in control of The Congress, The Senate, and The Presidency, special interests have poured BILLIONS into their respective lobbies. Nobody wants to bite the financial hand that feeds them. Obama inherited a HUGE MESS.

    I'm concerned that health care all ends up like Medicare Plan D: an open checkbook for Big Pharm, Big Insurance, and Big Med.

    United Health Care's bureaucrat campaign has been highly effective and people don't pause to think that a government bureaucrat may well have more of their interests at heart than an insurance company bureaucrat (as it is today).

    You can't change laws overnight. At best, it's an arduous process.
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    Aug 05, 2009 2:50 PM GMT
    I think Obama is waiting until Sotomayor is up and doing stuff on the Supreme Court before he handles any gay issues, since he will get her vote. And yes, he did say he would overturn DADT, it was on the White House website.

    As far as Health Care, they MUST have a public plan, it is the only way that HMOs are going to lower their premiums. And they are going to have to basically get rid of HMOs.

    What gets me is hearing him say the other day something along the lines of "I can't guarantee that having a public plan is going to immediately lower your HMO premiums, but it will cause them to not increase as fast as they are now."

    On that note, if they do have a public plan that offers adequate care at a low price, they better be ready to handle MILLIONS of people who will drop their HMO plan and switch on the first day it becomes available. I don't think they understand how people HATE shelling out that much money a month for something they never use.

    I'm 45 and I pay $380 a month for a self-employed person. It's outrageous.
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    Aug 05, 2009 2:53 PM GMT
    I campaigned for the guy, sent him money, and voted for him, knowing full well that we would get zip from him on glbt issues. Nothing is far better than open hostility any day. I don't think he cares about us specifically...
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    Aug 05, 2009 2:59 PM GMT
    While progress is slow, Obama is still leagues ahead of his competition.

    Time will tell.
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    Aug 05, 2009 3:07 PM GMT

    It's worse than outrageous wrestervic. Up here it's (just checked with gov't)

    "$54 for one person
    $96 for a family of two
    $108 for a family of three or more "

    from the BC Medical Services Plan site.

    This covers just about everything except your drugs, PSA test, optometrist and physiotherapy and eyeglasses. You can have private plans such as Blue Cross to claim those things not covered by gov't.

    Now of course the system is in trouble - they've been saying that since it started up around 1963. icon_lol.gif

    The current BC government (think Republican) gave us all back $100 on our income taxes and then removed things from MSP coverage (see above list).

    How stupid the voters were. What do you think was better? $100 or paying cash for your physio, optometrist etc?

    Our current BC government is deliberately underfunding healthcare in order to break it, then claim socialized healthcare doesn't work.

    We suspect the Premier and co (who are all big C capitalists) privately have shares in US HMOs.
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    Aug 05, 2009 3:07 PM GMT
    ucla_matta saidWhile progress is slow, Obama is still leagues ahead of his competition.

    Time will tell.

    Yes, in US politics we are often forced to choose between the lesser of 2 evils. Not that Obama is "evil" but not as gay supportive as I would like. Would any gay man here have wanted McCain & Palin instead? Well, except the self-loathing closet cases, of course, or the ones who continue to cling to the discredited concept that Republicans bring us all wealth (unless you happen to be a friend of their party).

    I have criticized Obama in RJ, and some of his actions, or lack of action, have disappointed me. Other than Hillary Clinton, however, whom I originally supported, I can't think of any better options I had in the last election. Now let's build with what we have.
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    Aug 05, 2009 3:42 PM GMT
    I don't hate the poster for posting. I thought it was a good thing that he asked the questions and got us to start thinking about them.

    I also wonder about the "well if it was not Obama it would have been McCain" answers. Huh? There were a ton of other candidates running before it got to the Obama/McCain choice.

    I am just wondering. I do not dislike Obama personally, but I am getting very very nervous. He has made some huge decisions. Taking over private companies makes me nervous. The car buyback seems to me a boondogle that sounds great but achieves little. ( I have a 97 Chevy Suburban in my driveway that runs great but I never drive so it does not pollute. It just sits there as my back-up car. I could not sell it for more that $1,000 because of it's age and gas mileage, but the taxpayers, I mean gov't. will give me $4,500 if I trade it in. Good for me. Bad for the taxpayers, I mean gov't. that will give me $3,500 taxpayers dollars more than it is worth when I use it as a trade in.)

    I am just getting a bit nervous about where it stops? Buyback for fridges? Stoves? It would all stimulate the economy.

    I do not blame him for Stimulas One. That was Bush's mistake. But two? Now maybe three?

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    Aug 05, 2009 3:43 PM GMT
    I did not vote for Obama, but I still want him to be a successful president. I never did buy into him being the superhero. I never did buy into him being "change we can believe in." One man cannot change a system/machine that has been in place for years.

    A concern that I have and have not seen any discussion on it is how the govt and big businesses are encouraging people to spend money that they don't have. Look at the car companies commercials, encouraging people to come out a buy a car. if you lose your income, no big deal, we will pay your payments or take the car back. Cash for clunkers...Come buy this new washing machine, don't worry if you can't afford it we will defer payments. Are we not perpetuating the same reckless spending and debt building that is a partial reason for the mess we are in now?? Do people really believe that they will not be on the hook for this debt or do they believe that good old uncle sam will be on the hook.. Either way, it seems irresponsible.

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    Aug 05, 2009 3:56 PM GMT
    As for gay stuff, I wouldn't count on anything before the second term. The man is nothing if not intelligent - he knows he has to get re-elected. So the numbers game tells him the gays, while important, are not the hugest voting bloc, at least as compared to those he might alienate by pushing gay rights too fast.

    That's what the Sotomayor nom is all about too. With it he pretty well locks up the hispanic vote - the fastest-growing demographic. It's a genius move. He's no fool.