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It was horrible hearing about the shooting at the LA Fitness gym in Pittsburgh, PA. 4 dead, including the shooter. Haven't heard why, but it was said the shooter was the boyfriend of one of the women in the class
where the shooting took place.

It makes you wonder... if gym staff will now have some sort of procedure for something like this if it happens elsewhere. What a terrible thing.

why is this a terrible thing. it is what it is

Its nothing new in america... every few months there are some stupid shootings... this is why Guns are banned in most of western europe... in UK even the police do not carry guns.. only special forces do.

HndsmKansan saidIt was horrible hearing about the shooting at the LA Fitness gym in Pittsburgh, PA. 4 dead, including the shooter. Haven't heard why, but it was said the shooter was the boyfriend of one of the women in the class
where the shooting took place.

It makes you wonder... if gym staff will now have some sort of procedure for something like this if it happens elsewhere. What a terrible thing.

At a gym. I've lifeguarded and taught classes for years. This would be the last thing on my mind.

travelstud saidIts nothing new in america... every few months there are some stupid shootings... this is why Guns are banned in most of western europe... in UK even the police do not carry guns.. only special forces do.

Every few months? How about daily.

As for banning guns to government only, that is a scary thought. I don't trust the Pentagon, nor the police as it is. Giving them exclusive rights to guns is a damn scary idea, at least to me. I don't know the solution, but I don't think banning weapons is it.

travelstud saidIts nothing new in america... every few months there are some stupid shootings... this is why Guns are banned in most of western europe... in UK even the police do not carry guns.. only special forces do.

I agree with Western Europe on many things including socialized medicine, but not with taking the guns for just bad guys (police and crooks).

Here in Texas, there's the Protect Your Castle law, and it WORKS. You get two shots on the house. One to protect yourself, and the other to keep the perp from escaping. If more folks owned guns, you wouldn't see homes getting broken into because of the gun factor.

As a kid, in Nebraska, on a ranch 30 miles from the nearest village, and 70 miles from the nearest down of 1200, we grew up with guns. If someone came around that had no business there, you blasted them. Only on one occasion in all the years on the ranch did someone steal something (steel scraps).

Guns don't kill people. Bad guys kill people. Leaving guns to just the bad guys is NOT a good idea and is counter to the Second Amendment. Stupid things happen because of stupid people, and any guns involved with a felon are obtained illegally and controlling them is not a deterrent, it just makes for more grief for the good guys. In America, like rec drugs, or anything else, if you want it, you can get it.

Governments have been known to abuse their power throughout the course of history. The 2nd amendment of the constitution says people have the right to bear arms. Although I personally don't own or carry a gun, I have friends who do. Many do it for their own personal protection. If someone breaks into your house, what are the odds of being able to contact the police and have them arrive at your location in time to prevent bodily harm to your or your loved ones.

Many of the incidents of gun violence are from people who don't have a license to own one. i.e. some thug in the hood

DCEric said

travelstud saidIts nothing new in america... every few months there are some stupid shootings... this is why Guns are banned in most of western europe... in UK even the police do not carry guns.. only special forces do.

Every few months? How about daily.

As for banning guns to government only, that is a scary thought. I don't trust the Pentagon, nor the police as it is. Giving them exclusive rights to guns is a damn scary idea, at least to me. I don't know the solution, but I don't think banning weapons is it.

realmac saidGovernments have been known to abuse their power throughout the course of history. The 2nd amendment of the constitution says people have the right to bear arms. Although I personally don't own or carry a gun, I have friends who do. Many do it for their own personal protection. If someone breaks into your house, what are the odds of being able to contact the police and have them arrive at your location in time to prevent bodily harm to your or your loved ones.

Many of the incidents of gun violence are from people who don't have a license to own one. i.e. some thug in the hood

DCEric said

travelstud saidIts nothing new in america... every few months there are some stupid shootings... this is why Guns are banned in most of western europe... in UK even the police do not carry guns.. only special forces do.

Every few months? How about daily.

As for banning guns to government only, that is a scary thought. I don't trust the Pentagon, nor the police as it is. Giving them exclusive rights to guns is a damn scary idea, at least to me. I don't know the solution, but I don't think banning weapons is it.

Is that really what the second amendment says?

So lets continue on this path then. We are still a young country. We will eventually grow up or eventually run out of people to hunt

QUOTE I don't know the solution, but I don't think banning weapons is it.

How about gun insurance then? The right wing types always yammer on about how with rights come responsibilities. Well, the right to own a car comes with the responsibility to insure it against the injury and death its use can and does cause every day. Why can't gun owners be held to that much?

You're welcome.

While I totally don't agree with gun control, I also kind of laugh at the "protect ourselves from the government" argument. It sounds good, but anything we can get our hands on is nothing compared to things like sonic weaponry, lasers that blind and entire group of people, missles, and other weapons that our government has that would wipe out 10,000 "heavily armed" citizens in a single blow.s

Blackguy4you saidwhy is this a terrible thing. it is what it is

If you believe that, I really feel sorry for you.

totally tragic.

Some members here can now use this as an excuse why they can't lose weight.


"Well, I'd go the gym, but with all the shootings these days at health clubs, I think it'd be healthier to stay home."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08052009/news/nationalnews/chilling_rants_of_gym_massacre_psycho_183110.htm

The story is there with a link to the killer's blog under his photo. I read through a little bit of it, haven't had a chance to read the whole thing. It's really scary stuff, and I find it really shocking that no one alerted authorities. He'd been pre-meditating this along with his suicide for well over a year.

I find that upsetting also. Here the guy is literally begging for help and yet no again took the threats seriously. "this guy was too many things".

Given the string of recent shootings like this, maybe it's time for Bowling for Columbine 2.

chuckystud said

travelstud saidIts nothing new in america... every few months there are some stupid shootings... this is why Guns are banned in most of western europe... in UK even the police do not carry guns.. only special forces do.

I agree with Western Europe on many things including socialized medicine, but not with taking the guns for just bad guys (police and crooks).

Here in Texas, there's the Protect Your Castle law, and it WORKS. You get two shots on the house. One to protect yourself, and the other to keep the perp from escaping. If more folks owned guns, you wouldn't see homes getting broken into because of the gun factor.

As a kid, in Nebraska, on a ranch 30 miles from the nearest village, and 70 miles from the nearest down of 1200, we grew up with guns. If someone came around that had no business there, you blasted them. Only on one occasion in all the years on the ranch did someone steal something (steel scraps).

Guns don't kill people. Bad guys kill people. Leaving guns to just the bad guys is NOT a good idea and is counter to the Second Amendment. Stupid things happen because of stupid people, and any guns involved with a felon are obtained illegally and controlling them is not a deterrent, it just makes for more grief for the good guys. In America, like rec drugs, or anything else, if you want it, you can get it.

This is a very American thing to say - protect your castle??? Sorry umm.. but here in Europe the police and law enforcement protect our castles...LOL....what you are talking about is something from the 3rd world... and developed civilized countries should not have such laws. Take away all the guns from civilians - how can they harm each other then?? Its like a nuclear arms race saying - I have nukes and so do you.. but if you nuke me.. i'll nuke u too... its called MAD -- mutually assured destruction... and look what its done to the world - led to a massive Arms race worldwide... now the bad guys are getting nukes too... one day an idiot will use his nukes and everyone else might just start using theirs as well......

I don't think a total gun ban would work, but I do think certain guns should be banned. Just exactly how much fire power is necessary to kill someone? I inherited several guns from my grandfather and eventually go rid of them. I did this after I read about 2 50 year old women. There was an argument. Both were sober. One shot the other in the eye and the victim died. The issue? The shooter demanded that the victim pay back the $2.00 owed to her. That is not a typo. It really was a killing over two dollars. I would use a gun if I had to, but I guess I am still pretty old school where I would rather kick your ass than put a bullet in you.

But you see ....

It wasn't actually the Gun that killed those people
ask the NRA

Absolute ridiculousness
Most likely this guy had a relationship with one of these women and did the str8 man mass murder suicide gig

America ... you want guns?
This is the price .... getting gunned down in your workout gear

freakofnature said

QUOTE I don't know the solution, but I don't think banning weapons is it.

How about gun insurance then? The right wing types always yammer on about how with rights come responsibilities. Well, the right to own a car comes with the responsibility to insure it against the injury and death its use can and does cause every day. Why can't gun owners be held to that much?

You're welcome.

Sorry man, I have to call you out on this, There is No Right to own a car, just as there is No Right to have a driver's license.

Having taught in a fitness facility for a couple of years, I find this pretty disturbing. I wouldn't even know how to react. Ugh.. *shudders*

horrible, and more proof (if such were needed) that America has got it´s gun laws wrong.

Guns don´t kill people: people with guns kill.

HndsmKansan said

Blackguy4you saidwhy is this a terrible thing. it is what it is

If you believe that, I really feel sorry for you.

absolutely belive it It is clear guns are a menace and a problem in our society. There is hardly a day passes when someone is not killed by one here.

And what do you get - oh how tragic! oh how sad! when there is an obvious solution to the problem!
But oh no! our constitution gives us the right to bear arms or the best one yet - it protects us from the government. As if a glock can do a damn thing if the government decides to roll down the street with a tank!!!!!!!!!

What absolute crock!

so i say - let's hunt each other into extinction: hey it's still shoot out at the ok coral time it seems. - and in the meantime - let's continue to say "oh how sad, oh how tragic, oh it makes you wonder..."

HndsmKansan said

Blackguy4you saidwhy is this a terrible thing. it is what it is

If you believe that, I really feel sorry for you.

It's a fucking shitty thing what he said. No compassion.

travelstud said

chuckystud said

travelstud saidIts nothing new in america... every few months there are some stupid shootings... this is why Guns are banned in most of western europe... in UK even the police do not carry guns.. only special forces do.

I agree with Western Europe on many things including socialized medicine, but not with taking the guns for just bad guys (police and crooks).

Here in Texas, there's the Protect Your Castle law, and it WORKS. You get two shots on the house. One to protect yourself, and the other to keep the perp from escaping. If more folks owned guns, you wouldn't see homes getting broken into because of the gun factor.

As a kid, in Nebraska, on a ranch 30 miles from the nearest village, and 70 miles from the nearest down of 1200, we grew up with guns. If someone came around that had no business there, you blasted them. Only on one occasion in all the years on the ranch did someone steal something (steel scraps).

Guns don't kill people. Bad guys kill people. Leaving guns to just the bad guys is NOT a good idea and is counter to the Second Amendment. Stupid things happen because of stupid people, and any guns involved with a felon are obtained illegally and controlling them is not a deterrent, it just makes for more grief for the good guys. In America, like rec drugs, or anything else, if you want it, you can get it.

This is a very American thing to say - protect your castle??? Sorry umm.. but here in Europe the police and law enforcement protect our castles...LOL....what you are talking about is something from the 3rd world... and developed civilized countries should not have such laws. Take away all the guns from civilians - how can they harm each other then?? Its like a nuclear arms race saying - I have nukes and so do you.. but if you nuke me.. i'll nuke u too... its called MAD -- mutually assured destruction... and look what its done to the world - led to a massive Arms race worldwide... now the bad guys are getting nukes too... one day an idiot will use his nukes and everyone else might just start using theirs as well......

Uh... I find comparing the EU to the US and vice versa to be a big flaw in your argument. But that isn't the point I'm going to bring up. What i am going to bring up is that fact that a law forbidding gun ownership wouldn't have changed the outcome of this tragedy. The ones who follow the laws and rules aren't the ones causing problems. So why would they suddenly start obeying this law?