Triumph for Obama's approach, failure for Bush policies

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    Aug 05, 2009 5:40 PM GMT
    During Bush, these 2 innocent women would have languished in North Korea indefinitely. The Obama Administration got them home. I judge by results, not by counter-productive neo-Con rhetoric. That's why I still wait for results on pro-gay promises from this White House. Either you produce, or you perish. A simple rule to which all politicians should be held.

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    Aug 05, 2009 5:59 PM GMT
    I don't know what Clinton did or said (maybe another dress is involved), but kudos and BRAVO! for a job well done.
  • MikemikeMike

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    Aug 05, 2009 6:02 PM GMT
    Nice job, but I bet those 2 woman had to give him head on the flight home!!!icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif
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    Aug 05, 2009 6:52 PM GMT
    All North Korea ever wants is a little attention. The are an asthmatic Mouse That Roared.
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    Aug 05, 2009 8:40 PM GMT
    A little presumptuous to say that this only happened because of Obama's foreign policies. Its a big world stage game. The time was right.
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    Aug 06, 2009 1:26 AM GMT
    These women aren't innocent. They should have been left to languish in prison. They deliberately disobeyed the law of the land, placing the US in an even more precarious position. They deserve nothing but a good lube-free anal raping for what they did, but CNN and the rest of the media monkeys will paint them as heroes. Way to go, you stupid bitches. Fucking women ... I swear.
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    Aug 06, 2009 1:32 AM GMT
    Tapper saidThese women aren't innocent. They should have been left to languish in prison. They deliberately disobeyed the law of the land, placing the US in an even more precarious position. They deserve nothing but a good lube-free anal raping for what they did, but CNN and the rest of the media monkeys will paint them as heroes. Way to go, you stupid bitches. Fucking women ... I swear.


    ...punishment fit the crime

    Are you going to personally help stone or slice the dick off the next gay man that gets busted being with another man in a country with laws aggainst that
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    Aug 06, 2009 1:33 AM GMT
    Red_Vespa saidDuring Bush, these 2 innocent women would have languished in North Korea indefinitely. The Obama Administration got them home. I judge by results, not by counter-productive neo-Con rhetoric. That's why I still wait for results on pro-gay promises from this White House. Either you produce, or you perish. A simple rule to which all politicians should be held.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32294577/ns/world_news-asiapacific/


    Here you go again with the Crystal Ball mentality as if you have any idea whatsoever what Bush would have (or have not) done to free the two journalists. As I said in another thread, who's to say that if Bush were President the North Koreans would have even arrested the 2 women in the first place, much less tried, convicted, and imprisoned them. And to argue that Bush wouldn't have done everything possible to free the women is ridiculous.
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    Aug 06, 2009 1:52 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidHere you go again with the Crystal Ball mentality as if you have any idea whatsoever what Bush would have (or have not) done to free the two journalists. As I said in another thread, who's to say that if Bush were President the North Koreans would have even arrested the 2 women in the first place, much less tried, convicted, and imprisoned them. And to argue that Bush wouldn't have done everything possible to free the women is ridiculous.


    I normally don't agree with CuriousJockAZ's politics, and I am not one to defend Bush, but I have to agree with the sentiment here. We don't know what Bush would have done nor do know how it would have played out if it happened under Bush.

    Going even further, who cares? The man isn't the president now why put the brain power into speculating how he would have handled this when we can still marvel at all the dumb things he did when he was in office? Or even better let's just not think about him anymore.

    And if you must do it why not discuss if it were better to send, Clinton or Bush, in this situation. That would at least be somewhat relevant as they are both ex presidents.
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    Aug 06, 2009 1:59 AM GMT
    I think Monkeypuck and i have disagreed before as well. He is right. There are those that just can't let it go. The crystal ball thing cracks me up. I see it on different threads frequently. If "McPalin" was in the white house we would be....

    Obama has 4 years, maybe more. Lets talk about now and stop being so bitter about Bush. If you are a Dem or lean left you got the world right now. Focus on that and let the last 8 years and the inherited mess go.
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    Aug 06, 2009 2:02 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Red_Vespa saidDuring Bush, these 2 innocent women would have languished in North Korea indefinitely. The Obama Administration got them home. I judge by results, not by counter-productive neo-Con rhetoric. That's why I still wait for results on pro-gay promises from this White House. Either you produce, or you perish. A simple rule to which all politicians should be held.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32294577/ns/world_news-asiapacific/


    Here you go again with the Crystal Ball mentality as if you have any idea whatsoever what Bush would have (or have not) done to free the two journalists. As I said in another thread, who's to say that if Bush were President the North Koreans would have even arrested the 2 women in the first place, much less tried, convicted, and imprisoned them. And to argue that Bush wouldn't have done everything possible to free the women is ridiculous.


    Exactly.

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    Aug 06, 2009 2:03 AM GMT
    I have to say, Clinton did the right thing by not smiling for any propaganda shots. Kim Jung Il is a whack job. To me, he'll always be the caricature in "Team America: World Police"
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    Aug 06, 2009 2:31 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidHere you go again with the Crystal Ball mentality as if you have any idea whatsoever what Bush would have (or have not) done to free the two journalists. As I said in another thread, who's to say that if Bush were President the North Koreans would have even arrested the 2 women in the first place, much less tried, convicted, and imprisoned them. And to argue that Bush wouldn't have done everything possible to free the women is ridiculous.


    While I agree that this shouldn't be a boo Bush event, I really can't imagine Bush would have done anything resulting in the release of these two journalists. John Bolton, Bush's ambassador to the UN, has called the trip a mistake. We have set a dangerous precedent that we now talk to those we have poor relations with. Which is a distillation of the entire Bush doctrine on foreign policy.
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    Aug 06, 2009 2:37 AM GMT
    I am pissed that we had to go rescue those stupid bitches. WTF were they doing in North Korea anyway. I aIso think if they were reporters for Fox instead of working for Gore (and Lisa Lings sister) they would still be over there. Don't get me wrong... I think we should do whatever we can to help ALL Americans. I just don't think lying dumbass Obama would have done this for ALL Americans... let's see what happens with the other hostages held around the world.
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    Aug 06, 2009 2:39 AM GMT
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    CuriousJockAZ saidHere you go again with the Crystal Ball mentality as if you have any idea whatsoever what Bush would have (or have not) done to free the two journalists. As I said in another thread, who's to say that if Bush were President the North Koreans would have even arrested the 2 women in the first place, much less tried, convicted, and imprisoned them. And to argue that Bush wouldn't have done everything possible to free the women is ridiculous.


    While I agree that this shouldn't be a boo Bush event, I really can't imagine Bush would have done anything resulting in the release of these two journalists. John Bolton, Bush's ambassador to the UN, has called the trip a mistake. We have set a dangerous precedent that we now talk to those we have poor relations with. Which is a distillation of the entire Bush doctrine on foreign policy.



    No... the dangerous precedent is that any two bit dictator can now snatch dumbass bitches and get a former president to come and kiss their ass...
  • leixguy

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    Aug 06, 2009 2:42 AM GMT
    i really want to go to N. Korea - no im not stupid and yes they do let foreign tourists in (under very strick conditions and controls such as you always have to have a tour guide with you, you can only visit approved sites etc etc) but i still really want to go
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    Aug 06, 2009 2:45 AM GMT
    leixguy saidi really want to go to N. Korea - no im not stupid and yes they do let foreign tourists in (under very strick conditions and controls such as you always have to have a tour guide with you, you can only visit approved sites etc etc) but i still really want to go



    Have a blast.. and i really mean that but don't expect a president to come and get u if they keep u hostage.... btw i wanna go to cuba so the same goes for me.
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    Aug 06, 2009 5:57 AM GMT
    mattyrec saidI am pissed that we had to go rescue those stupid bitches. WTF were they doing in North Korea anyway. I aIso think if they were reporters for Fox instead of working for Gore (and Lisa Lings sister) they would still be over there. Don't get me wrong... I think we should do whatever we can to help ALL Americans. I just don't think lying dumbass Obama would have done this for ALL Americans... let's see what happens with the other hostages held around the world.


    I think you're wrong. It would have been an even better opportunity for him to seem noble if they had been reporters for Fox.

    But we'll never know.

    Unless . . .
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    Aug 06, 2009 9:49 AM GMT
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    ...punishment fit the crime

    Are you going to personally help stone or slice the dick off the next gay man that gets busted being with another man in a country with laws aggainst that


    Your argument is flawed.

    If you come from a foreign country deliberately looking to break the law of another, then you should pay the price. Would I travel to Iran looking to pump a man in the ass? Uhm, no. I'd use my friggin' brain pan and keep it in my pants.

    These two 'journalists' felt they had carte blanche. In reality, they should have pulled the silver spoons out of their cunts and used their brains. They were damn lucky to have gotten out alive.

    I wonder if anything would have been done at all, had Laura Ling not been related to her celebrity sister ... but that's America for you.
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    Aug 06, 2009 10:22 AM GMT
    mattyrec saidI am pissed that we had to go rescue those stupid bitches. WTF were they doing in North Korea anyway. I aIso think if they were reporters for Fox instead of working for Gore (and Lisa Lings sister) they would still be over there. Don't get me wrong... I think we should do whatever we can to help ALL Americans. I just don't think lying dumbass Obama would have done this for ALL Americans... let's see what happens with the other hostages held around the world.


    And what kind of evidence would prove that?
    I don't think we'd have to worry about a FAUX News reporter being held anywhere because they never leave the country .... they make it all up icon_cool.gif
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    Aug 06, 2009 10:22 AM GMT
    Tapper saidThese women aren't innocent. They should have been left to languish in prison. They deliberately disobeyed the law of the land, placing the US in an even more precarious position. They deserve nothing but a good lube-free anal raping for what they did, but CNN and the rest of the media monkeys will paint them as heroes. Way to go, you stupid bitches. Fucking women ... I swear.


    Tapper,

    1. What crime did these women commit?
    2. How do you know they did it deliberately?
    3. What is/are your source(s)?

    I am not asking this to pick a fight with you; I genuinely want to know. I've Googled this topic, and so far, all that seems definite is that they were captured on the border of China and North Korea, and found guilty by NK of unspecified crimes. I can find no other clear, unambiguous details, but perhaps you can point me in the right direction. Thank you.
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    Aug 06, 2009 11:54 AM GMT
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    CuriousJockAZ said
    Red_Vespa saidDuring Bush, these 2 innocent women would have languished in North Korea indefinitely. The Obama Administration got them home. I judge by results, not by counter-productive neo-Con rhetoric. That's why I still wait for results on pro-gay promises from this White House. Either you produce, or you perish. A simple rule to which all politicians should be held.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32294577/ns/world_news-asiapacific/


    Here you go again with the Crystal Ball mentality as if you have any idea whatsoever what Bush would have (or have not) done to free the two journalists. As I said in another thread, who's to say that if Bush were President the North Koreans would have even arrested the 2 women in the first place, much less tried, convicted, and imprisoned them. And to argue that Bush wouldn't have done everything possible to free the women is ridiculous.


    Exactly.



    Who's to say the women still would have been arrested under Bush?? Umm...common sense and reason. lol Considering how deeply the world hated us under Bush & Co., I wouldn't have been surprised if the women were tortured under him--let alone not set free.

    Why is it the fringe conservatives fail to accept the reality that virtually the entire world HATED us under Bush--and rightly so? As Bill Maher said, Bush thought God gave America the biggest dick just so it could piss on every one else, and they noticed.

    I've been to Europe twice since Obama was elected and it's simply astonishing how quickly the world's view of America has turned around. As my friend in London said, the UK and most of Europe were actually starting to wonder about the average voter in America, with a radical dumb-ass like Bush elected to two terms. They were not only *incredibly* relieved that Obama won, but astonished that another unqualified right-wing freak like McCain even had a shot at all.
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    Aug 06, 2009 12:44 PM GMT
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    Tapper saidThese women aren't innocent. They should have been left to languish in prison. They deliberately disobeyed the law of the land, placing the US in an even more precarious position. They deserve nothing but a good lube-free anal raping for what they did, but CNN and the rest of the media monkeys will paint them as heroes. Way to go, you stupid bitches. Fucking women ... I swear.


    Tapper,

    1. What crime did these women commit?
    2. How do you know they did it deliberately?
    3. What is/are your source(s)?

    I am not asking this to pick a fight with you; I genuinely want to know. I've Googled this topic, and so far, all that seems definite is that they were captured on the border of China and North Korea, and found guilty by NK of unspecified crimes. I can find no other clear, unambiguous details, but perhaps you can point me in the right direction. Thank you.


    The women were arrested by North Korean border guards after filming on the Tumen River, which marks the northeast frontier between China and North Korea. I'm seeing no conflicting reports in the media. The only questionable report I'm seeing is that they had no intention of "knowingly crossing the border," which is bullshit, IMO. All of the historical headlines I'm reading state something along the lines of "Two US journalists arrested in North Korea." To assume that North Korean soldiers crossed over into China to nab these two women is ludicrous.
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    Aug 06, 2009 1:21 PM GMT
    They were accused of spying. I doubt they were spies.
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    Aug 06, 2009 1:25 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidThey were accused of spying. I doubt they were spies.


    Of course they weren't spies.

    Quoting the documentation:

    "In June, they were sentenced to 12 years of hard labor on charges of entering the country illegally to conduct a smear campaign."