Europe or USA??

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    Aug 05, 2009 6:14 PM GMT
    Given a choice, where would you prefer to live? And why??
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    Aug 05, 2009 6:46 PM GMT
    That is too much to generalize

    I'd rather be educated in a European system, It's less competitive, more personal and less money grubbing and educating people like they are on a conveyor belt
    I'd rather be treated under a European Health Care system for the same reasons
    I'd rather watch and read European media and exposed to European culture because it's more intellectual and encourages people to make an effort rather than seeing it's self as a source of cheap mind numbing entertainment


    I'd rather be a consumer in the USA, you have more choice, better service, more value and much better treatment
    I'd rather have friends, socialize or play/watch sports in the USA
    I'd rather date a guy or have a partner from the USA
    I'd rather the personal liberties and freedom the USA as opposed to the nanny state that is here

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    Aug 05, 2009 6:56 PM GMT
    Europe.
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    Aug 05, 2009 6:56 PM GMT
    You said -

    I'd rather be a consumer in the USA, you have more choice, better service, more value and much better treatment
    I'd rather have friends, socialize or play/watch sports in the USA
    I'd rather date a guy or have a partner from the USA
    I'd rather the personal liberties and freedom the USA as opposed to the nanny state that is here



    1) Don't you think that too much choice is corrupting?? And I think there is more Quality over Quantity in Europe whereas USA has a lot of quantity most of which you don't need anyway.

    2) Have american friends over european?? Again I find Americans very arrogant - i'd rather have european friends..but I do have some american friends too... not so many though and just find it very hard to relate to them.

    3) Ive been cheated and lied to a LOT more by americans than I have by europeans - in Europe they tell you to your face what they think - which is hurtful sometimes but better and my experience with American guys was they play games and bullshit a lot and can never really face reality. Americans are known to be all over the place... jumping from one relationship to another... one friend group to another.... and very individualistic society.

    4) Personal liberties ?? The only personal liberties and freedom I see that USA has over european countries - is the right to insult and abuse people and carry guns freely...everything else you get in western europe too.
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    Aug 05, 2009 7:10 PM GMT
    Having lived in both places

    It depends on the day I'm having

    USA ekes out the win
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    Aug 05, 2009 7:14 PM GMT
    I don't really understand the whole freedom idea in the US. What do we have here that countries in Europe don't?

    My lovely brother whos is all gung ho about America was like, "America is the best! Europe countries are nice to visit, but why live there?"

    Other than his complete ignorance, I don't see what makes them bad. I don't think Europeans wish they all could live in America.

    I don't think I could tell the difference if i lived in America and then lived in the UK or like Spain. Does anyone understand me? lol, can anyone help explain this to me.
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    Aug 05, 2009 7:16 PM GMT
    I have lived in Europe (Paris) and in the US and while I love almost everything there is to love about Europe, there's one thing that Europeans will just never match us on: fresh produce.
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    Aug 05, 2009 7:19 PM GMT
    PS - I could overcome said issue (almost) by sheer nature of the fact that Europeans don't collapse into a fit of the shits whenever a nipple is shown on TV and they don't collectively have a fascination with/repulsion of anything sexual in nature.
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    Aug 05, 2009 7:20 PM GMT
    jprichva saidI'm way too American to live in Europe.
    For that matter, I'm way too east coast to live west of the Mississippi.
    Actually, I should be in New York.
    Eh, South Florida is the sixth borough.


    Yes! A resounding yes vote for you should be in NYC
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    Aug 05, 2009 7:21 PM GMT
    Christian16 saidI don't really understand the whole freedom idea in the US. What do we have here that countries in Europe don't?

    My lovely brother whos is all gung ho about America was like, "America is the best! Europe countries are nice to visit, but why live there?"

    Other than his complete ignorance, I don't see what makes them bad. I don't think Europeans wish they all could live in America.

    I don't think I could tell the difference if i lived in America and then lived in the UK or like Spain. Does anyone understand me? lol, can anyone help explain this to me.


    We have the ability here to be hunt each other with guns.

    We have the ability here to be as uncivilzed as we want.
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    Aug 05, 2009 7:22 PM GMT
    Europe, because we can say the word toilet without having to substitute it for restroom, comfort station etc etc.
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    Aug 05, 2009 7:22 PM GMT
    Christian16 saidI don't really understand the whole freedom idea in the US. What do we have here that countries in Europe don't?

    My lovely brother whos is all gung ho about America was like, "America is the best! Europe countries are nice to visit, but why live there?"

    Other than his complete ignorance, I don't see what makes them bad. I don't think Europeans wish they all could live in America.

    I don't think I could tell the difference if i lived in America and then lived in the UK or like Spain. Does anyone understand me? lol, can anyone help explain this to me.


    What are you talking bout! Of course all Europeans wish that they can live in the USA. And anyone who says differently just lying!icon_razz.gif
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    Aug 05, 2009 7:23 PM GMT
    redheadguy saidEurope, because we can say the word toilet without having to substitute it for restroom, comfort station etc etc.



    The man is a genius
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    Aug 05, 2009 7:29 PM GMT
    Europe. I have lived in the USA, Latin America and 4 European countries and am actually about to relocate and change careers so this has actually been a very real question.

    Against the USA
    (1) Access to health care is broken, it´s FAR more expensive than it needs to be and Obama´s "socialist" solution is VASTLY more right wing than is needed. USA needs health care reform, not just health care insurance reform.
    (2) Gay rights, in most states and at federal level are terribly backwards.

    Against Europe
    (1) Some countries have a doctrinaire left wingism in the way that the USA has a doctrinaire right wing: insensitive to the actual effects of their policies and wishing only to repeat the mantra
    (2) Health care, though much better than the USA, is still in need of some fixing (but more the running rather than the ideology and running as in the USA).
    (3) Customer service CAN be bad (but hell, it can be bad in the USA too, it just is so less).

    THe "freedom" thing in the USA is largely rhetoric and illusory. Americans don´t make better friends than Europeans, USA media is largely brain dead (as it the european media). Fresh produce is equally good/bad in both regions.

    In the end the healthcare and equality issues have put the USA off the list of places I would want to live. Canada is still on it though.

    I think I may be moving to Holland in January (or France, Spain fell through)
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    Aug 05, 2009 7:35 PM GMT
    Okay...it's safe to say you have a strong opinion already

    1.In europe I have to travel pretty far and sometimes go to several stores to find something specific and often end up compromising, where as the US they have large everything-under-one-roof mentality particularly when it comes to sporting goods, electronics where retail space doesn't cost as much so it's economical to meet my needs exactly as opposed to only carrying the most popular products etc

    For the same reason in europe you have to drive around forever to find a gas station where in the US there's often 2 or 3 competing at the same intersection

    Clothing retailers have policies of carrying all sizes and styles they have for the season and just getting rid of whats left at the end of the season, where as European ones have a run out and buy it now if you want it because it'll be gone otherwise

    I can buy in bulk at cost-co etc I eat a lot of particular foods milk, eggs, chicken. In europe you can only buy skim milk in 1 litre containers in the US you can buy 2 gallon packs. I often end up cleaning out the dairy shelf

    2 +3 . I just find American guys are that much easier, friendlier, they are more athletic, more passionate and excited in various pursuits, more willing to open up and try new experiences, they're more masculine and competitive, more willing to have a laugh and don't take themselves too seriously.

    4. Yes I find the US more liberating. I don't know why but there seems to be less judgment by society, less trying to reign people in to the way they 'should' behave...Where as in europe they always seem to be passing new laws or regulations to limit anything which might be alternative or against popular opinion...
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    Aug 05, 2009 7:36 PM GMT
    USA. No question...
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    Aug 05, 2009 7:39 PM GMT
    I chose the USA after getting out of the army. Glad I did or I wouldn't have met my boyfriend Kevin.icon_biggrin.gif
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    Aug 05, 2009 7:40 PM GMT
    I'd prefer Mars.
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    Aug 05, 2009 7:41 PM GMT
    USA all the way.

    Why? Because it's the USA.
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    Aug 05, 2009 7:43 PM GMT
    Probably the US, though I'm not making an educated choice. I've only ever been to England, so I haven't seen the majority of Europe. I liked visiting England, but I don't think I'd want to live there. There's still a lot of the US I haven't seen that I'd like to.
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    Aug 05, 2009 7:45 PM GMT
    Europe for me, there more layed back there over here everyone is go go go, work work work, always in a hurry. In europe they enjoy there days.
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    Aug 05, 2009 7:46 PM GMT
    USA, hands down. There's no place like home. And for the ones who don't like it here or have nothing but critisisms for this country, there's only one solution for you--LEAVE! Is that harsh?

    I don't have anything against Europe. It's beautiful countryside. But I get aggrovated when somebody isn't speaking English. Can you imagine hearing a mix of German, French, English, Polish, Spanish, and Arabic all day long? Now I'm speaking out of complete ignorance because I've never been to Europe, but I'd imagine there is not unity as far as "yay, we're EUROPE!" But more of "I'm from France" or "I'm from Germany" and so on. There are people all over the globe who have risked everything, including their lives, to get to the United States. Do people risk that much to get to Luxemburg or Spain? I'm proud to be American. No, we're not perfect. And yes we have things to work on here. But in the words of Bill Clinton, "there is nothing wrong with America that can't be fixed with what is right with America."

    And if the above isn't reason enough, the grass is ALWAYS greener on the other side isn't it?
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    Aug 05, 2009 7:55 PM GMT
    London, UK. But then again theres no place like home, so I'd say Metairie, LA. (Greater New Orleans). icon_smile.gificon_smile.gificon_smile.gif
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    Aug 05, 2009 7:56 PM GMT
    If you don't like the country you live in then move somewhere else. You sound really anti-american travelstud and that really makes me not so happy.

    Nowhere is going to be perfect, but I would definitely choose America. The way you make these stereotypical generalizations makes me embarrassed to know you live in America.

    3) Ive been cheated and lied to a LOT more by americans than I have by europeans - in Europe they tell you to your face what they think - which is hurtful sometimes but better and my experience with American guys was they play games and bullshit a lot and can never really face reality. Americans are known to be all over the place... jumping from one relationship to another... one friend group to another.... and very individualistic society.

    So clearly -- All Americans are Liars and Cheaters! Clearly

    4) Personal liberties ?? The only personal liberties and freedom I see that USA has over european countries - is the right to insult and abuse people and carry guns freely...everything else you get in western europe too.

    Check you facts -- If it wasn't for The United States most of the western countries wouldn't have those freedoms. We started that little trend.
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    Aug 05, 2009 7:57 PM GMT
    gayblaketx saidUSA, hands down. There's no place like home. And for the ones who don't like it here or have nothing but critisisms for this country, there's only one solution for you--LEAVE! Is that harsh?

    I don't have anything against Europe. It's beautiful countryside. But I get aggrovated when somebody isn't speaking English. Can you imagine hearing a mix of German, French, English, Polish, Spanish, and Arabic all day long? Now I'm speaking out of complete ignorance because I've never been to Europe, but I'd imagine there is not unity as far as "yay, we're EUROPE!" But more of "I'm from France" or "I'm from Germany" and so on. There are people all over the globe who have risked everything, including their lives, to get to the United States. Do people risk that much to get to Luxemburg or Spain? I'm proud to be American. No, we're not perfect. And yes we have things to work on here. But in the words of Bill Clinton, "there is nothing wrong with America that can't be fixed with what is right with America."

    And if the above isn't reason enough, the grass is ALWAYS greener on the other side isn't it?



    Wow.. this is exactly the reason why Europeans do not like americans. The blinding ignorance, over the top arrogance and all this - "if u dont like it here get out" attitude... LOL. Rather than address the problems and talk about it so they can be fixed - Americans display all this arrogant attitude and avoid facing reality. And if you've never been to Luxembourg - then don't talk about it - yes a lot of people do desperately want to move there - a lot of very WEALTHY people. It's one of the prettiest, safest and cleanest countries in the world - and the richest... and they are NOT open to economic immigrants like USA is... see this is the problem - USA wants to be the biggest and the best.. then boast about it. European countries are very happy being tiny and rich... they believe more in having a balanced life.. most people in Europe only work 30 hours a week and get 6-8 weeks of vacation. Americans dont travel out of the US ... only about 15% of Americans even have a passport. The ones who do travel (as they have posted on here) don't ever wish to return back to the US...lol.

    BTW - european media is anytime far better than US media... its not perfect but still much much better.

    "Can you imagine hearing a mix of German, French, English, Polish, Spanish, and Arabic all day long?" ----- that was CLASSIC...lol.