http://newsone.com/nation/video-police-body-slam-elderly-woman-at-wal-mart/

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    Aug 08, 2009 5:38 AM GMT
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    Aug 08, 2009 10:36 AM GMT
    I hate how there's advertisements everywhere to become a cop, like it's as easy as working at Wal-Mart. Police force in so many cities are full of average and sub-average people who are given too much power, then go on power trips...like slamming old people into the ground. I'm glad the ones I ran into weren't on power trips at the time. I would go ape shit if some authority used unnecessary physically abusive force on me.
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    Aug 08, 2009 11:29 AM GMT
    This is why we need to invent robocop! icon_cool.gif
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    Aug 08, 2009 11:38 AM GMT
    As far as I know, bitch deserved it.

    Why the fuck would you pull a knife on a cop?

    Did anyone else not notice how she was still trying to attack the officer when the officer was trying to restrain her?

    I would've done the exact same thing if anyone ever pulled a knife on me.

    The officer did the right thing, and no, this was not, in any way, abuse of power.
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    Aug 08, 2009 2:06 PM GMT
    Its quite a sight. But if you watch the video to the end, the woman with the loud guy, you can hear here explain how she was swinging the knife around (which is why the police were even called to the parking lot).

    There were probably other ways to restrain an elderly person, but a knife probably doesn't make an individual think of the age of the attacker. Its still a shock to see, and it probably would have been better if two officers stopped her without her having to be taken down. One to distract her, and one to remove the knife from the situation. Unless she's some old superhero with super human strength, i doubt her motor skills are superior to a younger officer's.

    I don't think it was an abuse of power, but I think it could've been handled in another way. Usually blades longer than 2 1/2 inches are an arrestable offense anyway. We'd probably hear it if the woman was restrained safely and arrested because of her age.

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    Aug 08, 2009 2:30 PM GMT
    The police were excessive. There was blood on the ground. She was obviously too old and frail to pose a serious threat. She may have been suffering from dementia.
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    Aug 08, 2009 2:45 PM GMT
    brucenitro saidI hate how there's advertisements everywhere to become a cop, like it's as easy as working at Wal-Mart. Police force in so many cities are full of average and sub-average people who are given too much power, then go on power trips...like slamming old people into the ground. I'm glad the ones I ran into weren't on power trips at the time. I would go ape shit if some authority used unnecessary physically abusive force on me.



    I agree with you - - - and so do friends of mine - some of whom are attorneys. The advice I've had is to avoid the police and have as little to do with them as possible. (I know there are a few good cops though, but not many). Avoid Wal--Mart as well, while you're at it. The poor old lady was obviously mentally ill. She needed to be restrained and taken to a hospital - - and that could have been done without roughing her up and taking her to the ground.
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    Aug 08, 2009 2:50 PM GMT
    freakofnature saidThe police were excessive. There was blood on the ground. She was obviously too old and frail to pose a serious threat. She may have been suffering from dementia.


    sooooo it's ok to walk up to ppl with a knife because someone has dementia, that makes it ok?

    you dont threaten a cop, they will bite back.

    they told her to step away, the cop did what she needed to do.
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    Aug 08, 2009 2:51 PM GMT
    i don't think it's our place to say whether or not they were excessive. my roommate's boyfriend is a police officer, and she works on an ambulance. most of you have zero idea what kind of crazy they have to put up with every day, and i am definitely not going to jump on the "police beat down a harmless old lady" bandwagon. she was swinging a KNIFE. and if they'd not immobilized her and hurt someone, then all of you would be bemoaning the fact that the police didn't stop her.

    i see a person with a knife, i see the police asking her to put it down, i hear people in the video making it a racial issue, but the bottom line is that no one was hurt except for the person who was causing the problem. 80 years old or not, she could have hurt someone else with that blade in her hand. and if she's so harmless, then why does it require multiple officers to get the blade away from her?
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    Aug 08, 2009 3:24 PM GMT

    It's peculiar to see people underestimate the elderly. They're not as incapable as you might think.

    and dancerjack put this really well,

    "she was swinging a KNIFE. and if they'd not immobilized her and she hurt someone, then all of you would be bemoaning the fact that the police didn't stop her."
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    Aug 08, 2009 3:40 PM GMT
    Looks like the police handled themselves just fine. The woman was walking through a Wal-mart parking lot swinging a knife. They had to restrain the woman before she hurt someone. You brandish a knife in public, especially at a policeman, and you're going to go down. Had it not been a frail old woman, they probably would have had to be even more forceful than they were. It seemed like the policewoman was actually trying her best to be gentle with the woman once she got her on the ground. This is yet another example of someone playing the race card to somehow excuse bad behavior. The old woman was in the wrong -- period. Had she been a young white male you would have seen the very same reaction from the police.
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    Aug 08, 2009 5:47 PM GMT
    brucenitro saidI hate how there's advertisements everywhere to become a cop, like it's as easy as working at Wal-Mart. Police force in so many cities are full of average and sub-average people who are given too much power, then go on power trips...like slamming old people into the ground. I'm glad the ones I ran into weren't on power trips at the time. I would go ape shit if some authority used unnecessary physically abusive force on me.


    I am in T-Total agreement wit u...obviously da peeps who did not view all 7 mins of da video tape, didnt realize when da female cop tackled da 87 yr old woman, she put a hole in da back of her head...unnecessary force at best, simply walk up to her, and take da knife away, if da female cop was afraid, then get a male cop to do it, if he's scared, then both cops are in da wrong profession.icon_twisted.gif I hope this lady is ok.
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    Aug 08, 2009 6:34 PM GMT
    Initially I thought that the officer was tackling the woman because of her cane, and I was pissed. Then I saw there was a shiny object in her right hand and she was resisting the officer. I think the body slam was excessive too, I hope it was just because of adrenaline and she didn't realize the amount of force she was putting in.

    Don't take knives to Wally World.
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    Aug 08, 2009 6:35 PM GMT
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    "she was swinging a KNIFE. and if they'd not immobilized her and she hurt someone, then all of you would be bemoaning the fact that the police didn't stop her."


    Oh so throwing her to the ground is the obvious answer right? Not kicking the knife out of her hand? It's just best to throw the WHOLE lady to the ground? That's like saying there's a murderer inside the house so let's bomb the whole neighborhood to be safe.
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    Aug 08, 2009 6:36 PM GMT
    The cop tries to grab the wrist with the knife as the guy filming is moving up and you can't see where the officer tries to grab the ladies wrist that she has the knife in. Then takes her to the ground. Absolutely nothing I see wrong here. The officer did show restraint, and could have Tased her and had it been someone who the officer took as a more serious threat she could have shot her.

    It sucks that the lady was hurt, but the officer didn't get cut trying to get it away from the lady and no one else got hurt in the parking lot. So they can get her to the hospital for the medical and mental health help she needs.

    And yes, listen to the last 10 seconds of the video where the guy is going off about how the cops slammed an 80 year old woman and the female says "No they didn't, she was in the parking lot waiving a knife around".

    If there wasn't a problem to begin with, why was this guy filming the whole thing?
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    Aug 08, 2009 6:38 PM GMT
    brucenitro said
    meninlove said
    "she was swinging a KNIFE. and if they'd not immobilized her and she hurt someone, then all of you would be bemoaning the fact that the police didn't stop her."


    Oh so throwing her to the ground is the obvious answer right? Not kicking the knife out of her hand? It's just best to throw the WHOLE lady to the ground? That's like saying there's a murderer inside the house so let's bomb the whole neighborhood to be safe.


    Lmfao...if it were his grandmother, i am sure da tables would turn, i believe some people come online to purposely TRY n irritate others.icon_eek.gif
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    meninlove said
    "she was swinging a KNIFE. and if they'd not immobilized her and she hurt someone, then all of you would be bemoaning the fact that the police didn't stop her."


    Oh so throwing her to the ground is the obvious answer right? Not kicking the knife out of her hand? It's just best to throw the WHOLE lady to the ground? That's like saying there's a murderer inside the house so let's bomb the whole neighborhood to be safe.


    Kicking the knife out of her hand? So you would have rather seen a video of the officer walking up and kicking the old lady? please.

    The lady was a threat with a knife. What the officer did was stupid in my book because she shouldn't have put hands on the lady and put herself in danger of being stabbed. But the lady was walking towards the cop and refused to put the knife down. So she gets taken to the ground. The officer was doing a normal take down move, she didn't "Body slam" her...
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    Aug 08, 2009 6:48 PM GMT
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    brucenitro said
    meninlove said
    "she was swinging a KNIFE. and if they'd not immobilized her and she hurt someone, then all of you would be bemoaning the fact that the police didn't stop her."


    Oh so throwing her to the ground is the obvious answer right? Not kicking the knife out of her hand? It's just best to throw the WHOLE lady to the ground? That's like saying there's a murderer inside the house so let's bomb the whole neighborhood to be safe.


    Kicking the knife out of her hand? So you would have rather seen a video of the officer walking up and kicking the old lady? please.

    The lady was a threat with a knife. What the officer did was stupid in my book because she shouldn't have put hands on the lady and put herself in danger of being stabbed. But the lady was walking towards the cop and refused to put the knife down. So she gets taken to the ground. The officer was doing a normal take down move, she didn't "Body slam" her...


    Take Down Stufficon_question.gif U cant be serious broicon_question.gif When u get *87* i'll have overweight thirty yr. old TAKE U DOWN, on cement, and put a HOLE in ur head, only then u may commenticon_lol.gif
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    Aug 08, 2009 7:01 PM GMT
    The PO-leese had to take her down,they couldn't wait for Obama to do her in by taking away her medicare.
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    Aug 08, 2009 7:02 PM GMT
    It is pretty easy to sit back and criticize the police here, but how many of you have had a person threatening you with a knife. Regardless of her age, she was a threat and she was dealt with accordingly.

    Whitehall Officers Subdue Elderly Woman With Knife

    WHITEHALL, Ohio—An elderly woman with a weapon was taken to the ground by a Whitehall officer, and witnesses questioned the force used.

    NBC 4’s Mike Bowersock got right to the point with a balanced report.

    Virginia Dotson was wandering the Walmart parking lot at 3657 E. Main St. Saturday evening with a steak knife. She was telling strangers she would cut them and already had cut herself.

    Whitehall officers were called to the scene, but some witnesses said officers used too much force in subduing the woman.

    Dotson’s daughter said Dotson found a steak knife in the vehicle, cut herself out of her seat belt and took the knife with her while searching for her daughter.

    “There was some kids out there talking to this old lady, and they said something about the old lady hitting them or something,” Stan Brown said.

    Brown shot the incident on his cell phone.

    Another witness called 911.

    Whitehall officer Tammy Scott was the first out of the cruiser.

    “She didn’t even ask her to drop the knife. The woman told her when the cop came charging at her. She said, ‘I’m not going to cut you. I’m not going to cut you. She was just calling her daughter’s name out,’ ” witness Tomya Beatty said.

    The video told a different story, though: “Ma’am: Can you put the knife down? Put the knife down for me,” Scott said.

    A crowd started to gather, and the two officers called for backup.

    “There was about to be a riot in front of Walmart yesterday,” Beatty said.

    “I believe it could have been taken care of a lot easier than that. I kind of think that was too much force with her being that old,“ Brown said.

    “It’s not pretty, but when we’re looking at what could ultimately happen in that situation, the age can’t really be a big factor. It’s a public relations nightmare in some ways, but the officer did what she had to do,” Dr. Richard Weinblatt said.

    Weinblatt is the director of the Institute for Public Safety at the Central Ohio Technical College in Licking County and often is quoted on police-force affairs.

    He said with what the officers knew at that second, they had to do something.

    Dotson, who is believed to be 84 years old, was treated and released from Mount Carmel Medical Center for the head injuries she received when she was taken to the ground.

    Dotson’s daughter said her mother needed stitches to close the wounds and her hand may have been broken.

    Dotson’s daughter said she left her mother in the vehicle while she ran into Walmart for a purchase necessary in the move she was making with her mother. She said she was not concerned because she wouldn’t be gone long and her mother doesn’t know how to open seat belts.

    Dotson has not been charged with any crime.
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    Aug 08, 2009 7:21 PM GMT
    As someone who has some small experience with martial arts, and a fair amount of experience with cops, I can tell you right now that those cops were cowards in treating that woman as they did. First, they barely even tried to control the situation with words, and it very likely COULD have been diffused without resorting to such violence on a person who, knife or no, would NOT have been able to put up any real battle. It would have been very easy to simply remove the knife from her hand with a simple pain-compliance hold, or even simpler, a hard grip just above her wrist would have caused her hand to relax. At worst, they could have simply taken one of their tonfas and just quickly knocked the knife out of her hand without brutalizing her.

    These cops today are WAY too happy to assault people with excessive force just to prove their "authority." They were cowards and are guilty of gross brutality.

    It astonishes me how many people on this site are apologists for such poisonous right-wing, totalitarian thinking.

    Shame on any of you who would take the side of such under-trained, chickenshit cops as those on the video.
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    Aug 08, 2009 7:26 PM GMT
    zeebyaboi saidAs someone who has some small experience with martial arts, and a fair amount of experience with cops, I can tell you right now that those cops were cowards in treating that woman as they did. First, they barely even tried to control the situation with words, and it very likely COULD have been diffused without resorting to such violence on a person who, knife or no, would NOT have been able to put up any real battle. It would have been very easy to simply remove the knife from her hand with a simple pain-compliance hold, or even simpler, a hard grip just above her wrist would have caused her hand to relax. At worst, they could have simply taken one of their tonfas and just quickly knocked the knife out of her hand without brutalizing her.

    These cops today are WAY too happy to assault people with excessive force just to prove their "authority." They were cowards and are guilty of gross brutality.

    It astonishes me how many people on this site are apologists for such poisonous right-wing, totalitarian thinking.

    Shame on any of you who would take the side of such under-trained, chickenshit cops as those on the video.


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    Aug 08, 2009 7:27 PM GMT
    I wonder why the officer didn't use a taser on the women instead of throwing her down. Eventhough the lady was 80 years old having physical contact with the knife weliding old lady put the offical at risk. Also, using the taser would had caused less injury to the old lady. I feel bad for the the old lady because she might of been mentally ill. I often take issue when cops use force for no other reason then when their ego is being threated. In this case though the cop had a duty to disarm her.
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    Aug 08, 2009 7:29 PM GMT
    jmals23 saidIt is pretty easy to sit back and criticize the police here, but how many of you have had a person threatening you with a knife. Regardless of her age, she was a threat and she was dealt with accordingly.

    Whitehall Officers Subdue Elderly Woman With Knife

    WHITEHALL, Ohio—An elderly woman with a weapon was taken to the ground by a Whitehall officer, and witnesses questioned the force used.

    NBC 4’s Mike Bowersock got right to the point with a balanced report.

    Virginia Dotson was wandering the Walmart parking lot at 3657 E. Main St. Saturday evening with a steak knife. She was telling strangers she would cut them and already had cut herself.

    Whitehall officers were called to the scene, but some witnesses said officers used too much force in subduing the woman.

    Dotson’s daughter said Dotson found a steak knife in the vehicle, cut herself out of her seat belt and took the knife with her while searching for her daughter.

    “There was some kids out there talking to this old lady, and they said something about the old lady hitting them or something,” Stan Brown said.

    Brown shot the incident on his cell phone.

    Another witness called 911.

    Whitehall officer Tammy Scott was the first out of the cruiser.

    “She didn’t even ask her to drop the knife. The woman told her when the cop came charging at her. She said, ‘I’m not going to cut you. I’m not going to cut you. She was just calling her daughter’s name out,’ ” witness Tomya Beatty said.

    The video told a different story, though: “Ma’am: Can you put the knife down? Put the knife down for me,” Scott said.

    A crowd started to gather, and the two officers called for backup.

    “There was about to be a riot in front of Walmart yesterday,” Beatty said.

    “I believe it could have been taken care of a lot easier than that. I kind of think that was too much force with her being that old,“ Brown said.

    “It’s not pretty, but when we’re looking at what could ultimately happen in that situation, the age can’t really be a big factor. It’s a public relations nightmare in some ways, but the officer did what she had to do,” Dr. Richard Weinblatt said.

    Weinblatt is the director of the Institute for Public Safety at the Central Ohio Technical College in Licking County and often is quoted on police-force affairs.

    He said with what the officers knew at that second, they had to do something.

    Dotson, who is believed to be 84 years old, was treated and released from Mount Carmel Medical Center for the head injuries she received when she was taken to the ground.

    Dotson’s daughter said her mother needed stitches to close the wounds and her hand may have been broken.

    Dotson’s daughter said she left her mother in the vehicle while she ran into Walmart for a purchase necessary in the move she was making with her mother. She said she was not concerned because she wouldn’t be gone long and her mother doesn’t know how to open seat belts.

    Dotson has not been charged with any crime.


    No need 4 da story bro...GOT IT ALL ON VIDEO *LIVE n DIRECT* ur 1st post and u FAILED miserablyicon_lol.gif
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    Aug 08, 2009 7:35 PM GMT
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    meninlove said
    "she was swinging a KNIFE. and if they'd not immobilized her and she hurt someone, then all of you would be bemoaning the fact that the police didn't stop her."


    Oh so throwing her to the ground is the obvious answer right? Not kicking the knife out of her hand? It's just best to throw the WHOLE lady to the ground? That's like saying there's a murderer inside the house so let's bomb the whole neighborhood to be safe.


    Nice try. If there is a murderer in your house the correct response is to take out the person presenting the threat: The murderer.
    Your analogy would suggest that the cops starting attacking random people in the area because the lady presented a threat.
    Some people just don't understand logic icon_rolleyes.gif