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    Aug 12, 2009 6:48 AM GMT
    Why the hell to people feel the need to have mean-ass dogs like mastiffs? My dad was running our dog on the bike the other day when our dog stopped to poop. My dad got off to pick it up and momentarily let go of the leash so our dog decided to walk over to a mastiff which was sitting in a starbucks parking lot with its owners. The dogs sniffed eachother, ours turned away and while its back was turned the mastiff jumped on its back and locked on with its jaws. They wrapped around my dogs back, which is saying something because my dog is a big dog (a mut but we think he is husky german sheppard with some collie). The dog wouldn't let go so my dad preceeded to kick it in the face with little success. Unsurprisingly, the owners stood there dumb-founded, with zero control. Eventually it let go of my dog, which ran off. My dad went to chase him to make sure he was okay. When my dog got home he was bleeding from two punctures in his back and stomach. Luckily, when we took him to the vet they didn't think there to be an internal damage. We went looking for the owners but they ran off.

    Yeah, I know you're probably saying not all mastiffs are mean spirited, it's how you raise them. I believe it's in their genetics to behave like that. That's why pitbulls are outlawed in my city.

    Why do people feel it necessary to pay thousands of dollars on a pure bred, trouble prone breed when there are loads of dogs at the humane society? Yeah I know why... It's cause they are scared little dipshits who are trying to prove something by living through their bull shit dog. In this case, it was an Argentinian Mastiff. Maybe other breeds of mastiffs are different.
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    PS One of my family cats was killed by a pitbull. The owners watched it do it. I'm gonna go ahead and generalize and say that pitbull owners are ass holes too. At least those who seek them out.
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    Aug 12, 2009 6:55 AM GMT
    I'm sorry you dog was hurt, but I think your generalising a bit to much.

    It does really come down to how well a dog is raised..
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    Aug 12, 2009 11:17 AM GMT
    yea you gotta watch out for those pit bulls they are ALL man eaters!! haha

    I love mine...they have always been tried and true loyal and protective. Never harmful to anyone.

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    I really sympathize with your situation though. Everyone is protective over the people or things they love so dearly especially their pets. I would be upset also. Unfortunately it sounds like to me the owners of the other dog were a little irresponsible by hiding from you and maybe thats a sign of their irresponsibility of training their dog as well, who knows. I really hope your dog is ok, but try not to generalize so much, not all of the stereo typical breeds of dogs are bad.

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    Aug 12, 2009 11:33 AM GMT
    I'm so sorry about your dog. A very similar thing happened to my dog about three years ago, but it was a mutt that did it. April was hurt worse than your dog, probably because she's only 22 lbs and the other dog was huge. In our case, the other dog's owners paid for April's vet bills.

    But, it's taken a really long time for April to socialize with other dogs when she's on a leash.

    Anyway, it really comes down to a) training and socialization, and b) knowing your dog. It sounds like the Mastiff's owners are really irresponsible.

    And you should be pissed at this dog, and - more importantly - it's owners.

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    Aug 12, 2009 11:50 AM GMT
    hey trowel
    sorry about your dog -- you're lucky it wasn't worse. i lived in the east village where regular pit bull attacks are common, partly due to irresponsible owners, but also i think because the "bully" breeds (pits, mastiffs, bulls, etc) are fighting dogs by nature. even the nice ones can snap. my neighbor's pit bull killed my other neighbor's 3 chihuahas one day, like it was just normal behavior...
    i hate to upset all the pitbull lovers out there, but why does a pet need the jaws of a alligator anyway? sure, all dogs are capable of bad behavior, but some are far too good at it. icon_cry.gif
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    Aug 12, 2009 11:50 AM GMT
    I'm so sorry to read about your family's dog. I have four dogs, and love them to death. But i would never own a Mastiff, as because what they were breed for. So people may say it all depends on how they were raised. True to some point, but instinct can and is stronger.

    I now have two Border Terriers, and the older one, you can see how well he gets on with his cat, in my pics, and he was never raised to kill anything, and this shows in his love for the cat.

    But they was breed to chase Foxes. So one sunny morning at home and all is well, the front door was open, and me BT was inside being all behaved. That is until a Fox walked past his front door, of all things. Well my BT was off, and selective deafness set in, and so did instinct. I don't doubt he would of hurt that fox if he had of got hold of it, but I did not raise him to hurt anything.

    But boofheads seem to also be attracted to pitbulls, and the like of such, and they have givern the dogs a bad name.

    But I'm amazed at how the owner just stood there. I could not do that.
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    Aug 12, 2009 11:59 AM GMT
    Sorry to hear all of the terrible experiences. It's like seeing a member of your family being overtaken by some criminal. I don't necessarily blame the dogs, it's the owners responsibility to keep their animal under control - Not only for the safty of other people and animals but for their own animals protection.
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    Aug 12, 2009 12:05 PM GMT
    JWTX saidSorry to hear all of the terrible experiences. It's like seeing a member of your family being overtaken by some criminal. I don't necessarily blame the dogs, it's the owners responsibility to keep their animal under control - Not only for the safty of other people and animals but for their own animals protection.


    JWTX: Well said.
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    Aug 12, 2009 12:15 PM GMT
    I love dogs, but I completely agree with your post. Certain breeds should be banned from residential neighborhoods.

    The problem with Pitbulls, Amstaffs, etc. is mainly anatomical. They have powerful jaws that lock and therefore, cause a lot more damage than a normal dog ever could. I've always wondered why people would choose these dangerous breeds, when there are so many friendly, good natured breeds to choose from. It doesn't make any sense.

    Then again, neither does planting cactus plants as a hedge, but people do that too.
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    Aug 12, 2009 12:25 PM GMT
    Wow, I am really sorry to hear about what happened. That is awful and had to have been very hard for your father as well. I hope everything turned out ok in the end.

    Obviously, based on my screen name, I have quite a love for the pit bull breed. I also understand people’s trepidation with the breed because of the media’s inundation of attacks and issues. I think many of the posters sum it up well – regardless of the breed, owners need to be responsible and that is ultimately what it comes down to.

    I own two pit bull mixes, both are rescue dogs (I completely agree with your assessment of buying versus rescue) and one is mixed with Mastiff. Although he is very intimidating looking, everyone who has interacted with him will agree that he is one of the most loving, respectful dogs you will ever meet – both with people and other dogs. He has never once shown aggression towards either people or other dogs. I have also invested much time and money in training for both of my dogs as well.

    Unfortunately, there is a gross misconception that pit bulls and other bully breeds are “instinctively” or “hardwired” to be aggressive, which is just not the case. Any breed can have a dog that is born aggressive, just as some people are inherently born that way, but 99.9% of the time it has to do with the environment in which they are raised.

    Pit bulls are truly victims in all of this. The reason why pit bulls are used for fighting is that they are very smart dogs and loyal to the owner (because they are smart, they want to do everything possible to please the ‘hand that feeds them’). Because of that, they are easy to train for fighting and they are one of the few breeds in fighting that will not bite an owner if pulled from “the pit”. Therefore, many owners will either train them for fighting or train them to be aggressive for protection.

    It really comes down to being a responsible owner – regardless of the breed. Many dogs, for example, are not aggressive off leash but are very aggressive on a leash with an owner. I no longer bring my dogs to the dog park – not because of the other dogs, but because of the irresponsible owners who do not closer watch the interaction of their dogs with my dogs. Not once have either one of my dogs initiated a fight with another dog or attempted to “mount” another dog (which will many times start a fight). However, there have been several occasions where another dog began to become aggressive with my dogs at the park, the owner was nowhere to be found or was not paying attention, and I was the one who had to run in and stop the escalation. I just don’t even bring them anymore.

    Also, God forbid someone was to break into my house. My dogs would likely help them with all my belongings out the door. They are not trained to be protective, as that is not the reason they are a part of my family and not the reason I rescued them. That is what my alarm system is for.
    Just my experience. I really hope everything turns out well.

    A great site for information on pit bulls is :
    http://www.dontbullymybreed.com/
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    Aug 12, 2009 12:27 PM GMT
    sorry but you are generalizing way to much kid. I sympathize for your position but you are a wrong on this one. Mastiffs are often considered gentle giants. My uncle had a mastiff and it would never have hurt a fly, just like every other mastiff I have ever met. also knew some pretty sweet rotties
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    Aug 12, 2009 12:37 PM GMT
    I'm sure someone has said this already but it comes down to dumb ass people who don't train their dogs, they get these big dogs as they what to look cool but don't take responsibility to train them a well train or even a semi trained dog should never do what happen to yours i have been around dogs all my live they have all been loved and trained we have never had any problem

    i do hope your dog is good make sure your dad is OK to he might be angry and might reacted bad next time something happens
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    Aug 12, 2009 12:37 PM GMT
    You should have not let the owners get away. That's you're own fault, though I'm sure you learned a lesson. Keep an eye open for them, and be sure to get their contact information. If they won't give it, take a picture of them with your phone's camera, or call the cops on the spot. You did report it to the local authorities at the time, didn't you? Ahh, of course you did. Only a fool wouldn't have.

    And it's not the dog, it's the owner. I know plenty of pit bulls that are as gentle as lambs.
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    Aug 12, 2009 12:45 PM GMT
    If the owners had a dog off its leash in the city, its a violation... and certainly a larger breed known to be aggressive.

    I've walked my beagles through my neighborhood on their leashes and once had a larger doberman run out and ended up biting Buddy on the ear. The owners came running after the doberman. I was so mad I called the police
    and filed a report (I knew where the people lived). They got a citation.

    I think it probably was more important that your Dad keep control of the leash than pick up the poop, but your dog might have been biten anyway.
    The problem is, if the owners of the other dog had been cited, they could have asserted that your dog wasn't under control either.

    Sorry to hear your dog got hurt. I hope he is in good order.
    By the way, Buddy was fine too after getting his ear clamped on.
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    Aug 12, 2009 1:00 PM GMT
    It seems like most of the owners of dogs that attack viciously say the same thing: "He never did that before! He's always been a gentle dog!" and similar things.

    Yeah, they're gentle until they aren't gentle, and then they become a menace to people and other animals. And owners feign surprise & shock. If you own a breed with an aggressive & dangerous history, guess what? You own an aggressive & dangerous dog!

    I don't care what he does at home with you, you're harboring a ticking time bomb. We see these cases all the time down here in South Florida, and then the dogs are hauled off to be euthanized, or the police shoot them on the spot. But not until they've killed or mauled, either other pets or humans, and so sadly, often little children. Get a safe dog -- you do have options.
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    Aug 12, 2009 1:06 PM GMT
    Tapper saidYou should have not let the owners get away. That's you're own fault, though I'm sure you learned a lesson. Keep an eye open for them, and be sure to get their contact information. If they won't give it, take a picture of them with your phone's camera, or call the cops on the spot. You did report it to the local authorities at the time, didn't you? Ahh, of course you did. Only a fool wouldn't have.

    And it's not the dog, it's the owner. I know plenty of pit bulls that are as gentle as lambs.




    I was not there when it happened and my dad ran after our dog to make sure he was okay. He went looking for them right after. Yeah we reported them.

    I'm sure pitbulls can be raised to be perfectly loving dogs. The things is they are still much stronger than other breeds and designed for fighting. They may be no more naturally agressive than other dogs but they can sure as hell inflict more damage IF they are agressive.

    Don't read too deeply into this if you are offended. I am not an asshole or an idiot. I'm just a young angry person suffering from some gay rage.
  • cbrett

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    Aug 12, 2009 1:13 PM GMT
    its good to get angry mate
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    Aug 12, 2009 1:31 PM GMT
    I raised pit bulls. I bred American Bull dogs and have had Mastiffs and assure you that it all comes down to how they are raised.

    I think its disgusting when people like you try to generalize a breed. Thats what truly comes down to a breed being banned because can't accept responsibility for their own failures and try to ban the pets instead.

    Just like guns because guns are just evil, never mind the guy who loads it and goes out and kills someone right?

    Right now in michigan almost every suburb has banned pitt bulls. And if they haven't banned them, then most landlords won't let you have them.

    People still get them any way because we all know that its the way you raise a pet.

    My most friendliest pets were always my mastiffs and bull breeds. The most vicious pet I've ever had was a pomeranian mix. Which we got from the pound so that kind of negates your whole theory right there.

    I say stop being bitter and get over it. I would like to response to your tragedy with sympathy, but the fact that you can hate an entire breed over one dogs mistake, makes me afraid that you may not be too fond of minorities either.

    Pitts and mastiffs are a beautiful breed. What happened to your pet could've been done by any breed. Trust me. And don't be so quick to generalize owners either. Many of us just think that they are a beautiful breed. I couldn't possibly care any less about an image or stigma.
  • dh__

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    Aug 12, 2009 1:47 PM GMT
    sry man that's horrible.
    But it's not the dog's fault entirely, my dog is half lab half boxer so i know she doesn't exactly like other dogs, but I've more than anything trained her to calm down.
    To me it's the owner. They have to learn to teach the animal despite natural inclinations. If they can't take care of the animal then they really should have something like that they can't control.
    hope everything works out with you man
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    Aug 12, 2009 1:54 PM GMT
    One of the nicest dogs I've ever known was a mastiff. The only pitbull I ever knew was gentle to the point of being needy. Neither had ever hurt or attacked another dog.

    A dog, regardless of it's size is trained to be vicious by intent or through ignorance or neglect. Your argument would quickly devolve to making any large dog, which is capable of hurting a smaller dog illegal to reside in an area. In all of these cases, the owners should be held responsible to the level of criminal intent. Ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking the law and that should carry through with equal weight to pet ownership.

    One of my dogs would be frightened of children so I would keep her away from them. She never attacked one, but her fear was evident and it was my responsibility to keep curious children away from her because a dog who is fearful can be unpredictable. Granted, she's now old and unlikely to do anything of the sort, but it's my responsibility not her's.

    None of my dogs have bitten anyone, except me or my ex when having to deal with the occasional unpleasantries of healthy maintenance like nail clipping or cutting a piece of matted hair on a snout.
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    Aug 12, 2009 1:54 PM GMT
    Here is a generality. Many people that have pets are the wrong people. I watch many people that have pets do nothing but yell at the pets. They dont know how to train them nor do they try. For this reason I think it is the pet owners that need to be licensed not the pets. And when the pet does something of that nature take the pet and the owners license to have pets.
  • gr8hands4you

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    Aug 12, 2009 2:01 PM GMT
    If you charge people $100.00 a year to license themselves to have pets, maybe some would rethink Having them. And you know they spend a lot more than that on just food for them. So anybody that has a pet can afford it anyway.
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    Aug 12, 2009 2:07 PM GMT
    Those who says you can't make generalized statements about breeds are wrong. Like all generalizations, there are exceptions. But some breeds are bred to be aggressive, and yes, made moreso by the way they're raised.

    I love dogs, but if you doubt my qualifications on this one, I'll share this fact: I and my 2 dogs were attacked by 2 mastiffs. They raced into my front yard where we were hanging out. I spent 3 days in the hospital and among other issues, had a finger partially amputated.

    Trust me, I now know a lot more about mastiffs.
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    Aug 12, 2009 2:16 PM GMT
    SCAthlete saidThose who says you can't make generalized statements about breeds are wrong. Like all generalizations, there are exceptions. But some breeds are bred to be aggressive, and yes, made moreso by the way they're raised.

    I love dogs, but if you doubt my qualifications on this one, I'll share this fact: I and my 2 dogs were attacked by 2 mastiffs. They raced into my front yard where we were hanging out. I spent 3 days in the hospital and among other issues, had a finger partially amputated.

    Trust me, I now know a lot more about mastiffs.


    I'm sorry, but I cannot agree with this philosophy. Dogs aren't like cats. They are easily trained and easily influenced by their owners/handlers. If the dogs are bad, it's likely because of the ignorance or poor nature of their owners/handlers. It's that simple.

    I was raised with a mastiff during the first five years of my life. I don't remember much about him, but I do know he never hurt anyone.

    My current neighbors have two bull mastiffs, and they're as kind as can be. They've never hurt a fly. They're both from two different litters, but approx. the same ages; 7 and 8 years of age.

    A good friend has two bull mastiffs, both from the same litter. Both are 6 years of age and haven't bit a single person.

    An old friend in Ohio has had mastiffs all of her life. She currently has one, but has lived with a grand total of seven. I emailed her, and she was quick to respond. Nope, not a single case of an attack. Not one.

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    Aug 12, 2009 2:17 PM GMT



    I once got beat up by two white people.


    Thus, white people are violent by nature and should be stopped.




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