feeling fat

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    Dec 04, 2007 6:41 PM GMT
    If someone could glance at my photos and tell me how much cardio they reccomend for me to do weekly in order to shed the slight layer of flab from my stomatch and love handle area, it would mean a lot to me.

    I can feel a defined six pack underneath, and almost see part of it. I just need to lower my over all bodyfat percentage.

    Also, eating wise, what should I be doing to lower body fat and keep my muscle content?

    THANKS
  • EricLA

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    Dec 04, 2007 9:50 PM GMT
    Uhhhh, dude, are you kidding? You're effin' cut. You have that great "V" and everything. Yes, I suppose you could do more cardio or cut your caloric intake to 0 to make your abs pop, but you look phenomenal. I sure hope you don't have manorexia. I know men on this site (myself included) who would kill to have the body you do.
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    Dec 04, 2007 9:54 PM GMT
    I'm thinking you MIGHT have an eating disorder.

    You may wish to read up on it.

    You can read some of my other posts about intervals and such for bodyfat reduction, but, honestly, you're so underweight now, I really wouldn't advise to much weight management right now.

    Bring your calories UP. Hit the intervals every day for 20 minutes. Get your weight up. Eat, and then, eat some more. That should get you leaning out, once you get a bit of muscle on you.
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    Dec 04, 2007 9:55 PM GMT
    I'm sorry. Did you say you had fat on you? Do you have fun house mirrors? If you are any form of "fat" then I am morbidly obese. Um . . . leave the room.icon_wink.gif
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    Dec 04, 2007 9:58 PM GMT
    darling, you are not fat! NO NO NO! Chucky is right!

    Please, please consider some help.

    You need to GAIN some weight and put on some muscle, if you need to do anything.
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    Dec 04, 2007 11:16 PM GMT
    Yea, you don't have any fat to lose. Definitions the way to go so working your abs would be the obvious way

    I have a Pilates abs workout video with ana caban that's really good. If you can find it do that twice a week and feel the burn. Make sure you build up to doing the whole thing gradually.
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    Dec 04, 2007 11:53 PM GMT
    http://www.realjock.com/article/891/
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    Dec 05, 2007 12:38 AM GMT
    I agree with Chuckystud you need to fix your eating disorder. Then get into bodybuilding if that is what you really want to do. Bodybuilders are not worried by a few extra pounds. They know how to loose it as well as use it to there advantage. Your worried about body fat at 20 years old what are you going to do at 30 or 40?
    Good luck
    Joe
  • atxclimber

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    Dec 05, 2007 4:47 AM GMT
    I see what you're talking about. I have the same thing. And as much as, yeah, I think there's no way in hell you need to burn fat, I see where you're coming from. It's hard to see muscle definition in the lower abs towards the girdle and pelvis, and it's tempting to think that's because there's still a bit of fat there. It's really just that the rectus abdominis -- the multi-part muscle that makes the six-pack -- has more pronounced muscle bellies towards the ribcage than down lower.

    To get the look you want, you don't need to lose fat (it wouldn't work even if you could.) You need to build muscle. If you want more muscle definition there, do muscle work that builds the lower abdominals.
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    Dec 05, 2007 2:57 PM GMT
    As someone who sees A LOT of people with eating disorders... i'm gonna say... yeah... you just might have an eating disorder!
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    Dec 05, 2007 3:04 PM GMT
    Most guys would probably kill for a stomach like that. You don't need to worry about it.

    Also no one here is a DR. so please don't let them diagnose you with an eating disorder.

    Maybe a body image issue, but not an eating disorder. But alas, I am no pyschologist.
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    Dec 05, 2007 8:39 PM GMT
    And, ... even those that are doctors are often idiots....
  • EricLA

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    Dec 05, 2007 8:56 PM GMT
    Daniel,

    Thanks for your comments. I was worried about everyone stressing the eating disorder angle. I was hesitant about bringing it up in the light way I did, but by no means feel I have enough information. Obviously, Juishe works hard on his body and wants to get rid of one little imperfection as he sees it. We're all works-in-progress. But, maybe he can accomplish his goal with some targeted exercises. It doesn't look like he has a body fat issue or should be reducing his calories.

    Juishe, just also remember that not all bodies are genetically designed to look the way we want them to. You are blessed with what you do have, don't lose sight of that.
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    Dec 05, 2007 11:08 PM GMT
    Thanks, but seriously, I do NOT have an eating disorder. I eat A LOT!! I'm a snack-a-holic.

    "Feeling fat" was prob not the best title for this post. I do not think I am fat. I DO however, have fat on my sides that pops out over my pants (which you cannot see in the photos), and a grabbable amount of fat covering my stomatch.. The REST of me is pretty lean, and I don't want to get skinnier, I just want to shed the fat in those areas.

    I see guys skinnier than me and buffer than me with flat stomatchs. If you tried to pinch fat there on them you couldn't. But I can literally grab a chunck of fat on my stomatch. Underneath, I can not only feel that I have abs, but have a good sized six pack.

    I know I need to eat more carbs/protien and lift more weight to gain muscle (Which is what I want to do. I don't want to be a skinny little boy. My goal is something closer to that of an runway model. I know it is a lofty goal, but it is possible.)

    I DO want to be bigger (in my muscles) I just want to know how to lower my body fat percentage to somewhere around 10% for now (ideally when I am bigger, I'd like to lower it to 6 or 7). Just because I don't have a lot of definition right now.

    Trust me, if you knew me and the way I eat, you would NEVER accuse me of an eating disorder (unless it is that I eat to much).
  • MSUBioNerd

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    Dec 06, 2007 12:37 AM GMT
    Well, we don't know you in person, but from the shots of your lower torso I can't imagine you've actually got grabbable fat on your stomach. Image 50237_115094.jpg looks pretty clear in your near-total lack of abdominal fat, so I'm thinking that some of what you're grabbing on your stomach isn't fat.

    Body images can last a lot longer than the actual body does. This works in all directions--there are out of shape people who still view themselves through the lens of their once fit shapes, there are thin people who still think of themselves as chunky, and there are buff guys who think of themselves as skinny, all due to what they were for a long time. If there are some guys you can trust to be brutally honest with you in person, try to get their view of your stomach, and see what happens then. You could possibly have some fat that none of us can see in these pictures, or it could be that your view of what you look like is inaccurate.
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    Dec 06, 2007 6:28 PM GMT
    MSUBioNerd wrote:Body images can last a lot longer than the actual body does. This works in all directions--there are out of shape people who still view themselves through the lens of their once fit shapes, there are thin people who still think of themselves as chunky, and there are buff guys who think of themselves as skinny, all due to what they were for a long time.


    Exactly...I know first hand.

    I'm currently down to about 165 lbs (I was about 175 lbs in my shirt-free photos), and my body-fat is also down quite a bit too (I don't know the % but I can see a LOT more definition in my mid-section). The other day I looked at myself in the mirror and realized for the first time in my life that I'm thin, lol. I need to put on some weight (muscle to be specific).

    HOWEVER, that being said, I still feel chunky sometimes. I know it's ridiculous, and I don't feel that way ALL of the time...just once in a while. Like MSU said above, sometimes I still see myself looking as I did when I was 240 lbs, even though that was 20 years ago.

  • DiverScience

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    Dec 06, 2007 6:50 PM GMT
    The rational worry is more body dysmorphia than it is an eating disorder(though A can lead to B). We know nothing about your eating habits, but we can say you aren't fat.

    If you really think you've got fat, get yourself dunked and find out. That'll give you a good scientific measure to say, "Ok I have a little more I can lose" or "Gee, if I lose any more fat, it'll have to be out of my brain."
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    Dec 06, 2007 8:14 PM GMT
    gey myself dunked? what is that?
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    Dec 06, 2007 8:35 PM GMT
    VO2 max and buoyancy fat computation

    I've had several studies done on me, and that's part of the drill.
  • EricLA

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    Dec 06, 2007 8:38 PM GMT
    He's talking about water displacement, considered the most accurate way of measuring body fat. Not so easy to find any more, unless you're a pro athlete. There used to be an RV that would drive around LA where you could have it done. At that time I had my body fat measured three different ways:
    * the caliper method, the easiest to do but the probably least reliable because it's not always done correctly (which had me at 13% body fat),
    * electronic resistance, I forget the exact name but basically the same way some home scales measure your body fat (which came out as 9% body fat)
    * water displacement, being fully submerged in water pushing out all the air in your lungs (which came in at 11%)
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    Dec 06, 2007 8:49 PM GMT
    Here's a little tip that can help your spirits and give you a nice little gay giggle. Whenever you feel fat, just take a nice long gander at my pictures. I have been a fatass my entire life. I'm finally starting to lose weight, but I still have big tits and an inner tube gut. If you think you look fat, then I want to look fat too! You'll also notice that I will never have any shirtless pictures because my body type is similar to that of Rosie O'Donnell's. I think this will be a great solution to help your body image.
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    Dec 06, 2007 8:55 PM GMT
    Galvanic measurement for electrical resistance.

    I show up at 40% fat on that sometimes. Nuts.

    BMI is a crock.

    Doing the dunk tank works, but, it's time intensive.

    Calipers, I think, across the seven points seem to be about the best for me.
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    Dec 06, 2007 9:20 PM GMT
    I think it's important to distinguish between an eating disorder and a body image disorder. Without knowing you, it's hard to say whether or not you have either. But I agree with the basic advice-- your abs look great, and if you want to improve on them, the best thing might be to add more muscle to your legs and chest, which will improve your proportions. And to do that, you definitely do not need to eat any less.

    To answer your question exactly-- "what should I be doing to lower body fat and keep my muscle content..." If you increase your muscle mass, you will reduce your body fat percentage, as long as you stay at the same weight or gain more muscle than fat. It's almost impossible to gain muscle mass without gaining weight, so you will need to eat more. Once you increase your muscle mass, especially in the large leg muscles, your resting matabolism will increase, which will allow you to eat more without gaining fat.
  • DiverScience

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    Dec 06, 2007 9:20 PM GMT
    My gym regularly does dunk tanks.

    I suggest that because the other methods are more use as comparisons to themselves (to measure progress) than they are for an absolute measurement. Calipers are probably second best, but vary in accuracy depending on skill of the measurer.
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    Dec 07, 2007 2:52 PM GMT
    If you are fat, I am obese. Seriously dude, look around in public, most guys have potbellies and rolls, not abs. You don't need to do anything.