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Getting fats mostly from cashews and peanut butter
makavelli Posts: 256
Aug 15, 2009 3:37 AM GMT
Apparently I'm only to have .4 of fats per pound of weight, which is about 66 grams.

Now I go sometimes much more considering how many nuts I go through in a day. Is that okay?

And I just got that nut thing.



My other question is that I heard I shouldn't mix fats with carbs too much when trying to lose weight. How credible is that?
calibro Posts: 1348
Aug 15, 2009 6:26 AM GMT
hmm... i have seen soy butter (peanut butter alternative), but I am not sure what the fat content in that is, or how it tastes, but I imagine it would be lower than peanut butter. Secondly, you might want to pull some of your fats elsewhere... flax seed oil and olive oil are very good for you
Aug 15, 2009 1:28 PM GMT
Peanut butter works well enough if you don't overdo it. For lunch every day I have 5 crackers with crunchy peanut butter along with a fruit/ whey protein smoothie. The pb provides the missing fat plus adds some necessary ballast.
jlly_rnchr Posts: 501
Aug 15, 2009 2:44 PM GMT
In general, the fats from nuts are poly and monounsaturated fats. Those are the good ones. Omega-3 and Omega-6s. Eat as much of those as you want.

Now, peanut butter has all that oil in it, sometimes containing trans fat. So that's bad. But there are far worst sources of fat.
makavelli Posts: 256
Aug 15, 2009 3:13 PM GMT
It's always gonna be natural organic peanut butter for me.

Thanks for the info, dudes!
Aug 15, 2009 3:26 PM GMT
makavelli saidIt's always gonna be natural organic peanut butter for me.

Thanks for the info, dudes!


Where on earth are you getting your nutritional guidance?

You need good healthy fats (as the other posters said) for fat loss and brain function and general health and wellness.

Peanuts are awful since they're not nuts, they're legumes with a very high bad fat content.

What is your actual goal?
makavelli Posts: 256
Aug 15, 2009 3:44 PM GMT
By peanut butter I have it like twice a day on some toast. I get more nuts from actual nuts.

My goal right now is to maintain weight, until I can get back into training.
KissingPro Posts: 981
Aug 15, 2009 4:08 PM GMT
Make sure your peanut butter has no "partially hydrogenated trans fats". Those fats can mess with your metabalism and cause you to eat more.

Raw almonds are a super food too.
calibro Posts: 1348
Aug 15, 2009 4:31 PM GMT
makavelli saidIt's always gonna be natural organic peanut butter for me.

Thanks for the info, dudes!


have you ever tried almond butter or cashew butter? they're delicious and better for you
Alpha13 Posts: 1079
Aug 15, 2009 4:35 PM GMT
Nutritional fat is not directly related to body fat..that was a myth of the 20th century ( which is why the us has become obese) If you remove processed sugar and carbs from your diet, eating fat will actually cause you to burn body fat.
adidas0783 Posts: 189
Aug 15, 2009 4:47 PM GMT
makavelli saidBy peanut butter I have it like twice a day on some toast. I get more nuts from actual nuts.

My goal right now is to maintain weight, until I can get back into training.


I second Calibro, Almond butter is great and i will slather 2 tablespoons of it on toasted oatmeal bread for breakfast with two eggs fried in olive oil.

I would highly recommend taking a daily enteric-coated fish oil supplement (between 1-2 grams daily). Just go to Vitamin Shoppe and look for a good brand (usually runs around $30 for a 2 month supply). I take it regularly and it is great to incorporate into your daily nutritional routine. I try to eat clean fish high in omega 3s whenever I can. However, this is not always the case if you have a budget. Getting an extra boost of this heart healthy fat on a daily basis will give you great looking skin, keep your cholesterol in check, help in muscle recovery and is great for your brain.

Also, continue to have a couple of handfuls of nuts (I can not say that with out cracking up! )....Almonds, Macadamia Nuts and Walnuts are great. Also, cook with olive oil and incorporate avocado in your diet.
makavelli Posts: 256
Aug 15, 2009 6:31 PM GMT
I have flaxseed oil capsules as well. I should use it as supplement right and not as a substitute for fats from real or whole foods?
RyanReBoRn Posts: 463
Aug 15, 2009 6:36 PM GMT
calibro said
makavelli saidIt's always gonna be natural organic peanut butter for me.

Thanks for the info, dudes!


have you ever tried almond butter or cashew butter? they're delicious and better for you


Where would you get this almond and cashew butter? I love cashews and I'd switch to cashew butter if I knew where to get some.
chuckystud Posts: 4810
Aug 15, 2009 7:21 PM GMT
makavelli saidApparently I'm only to have .4 of fats per pound of weight, which is about 66 grams.

Now I go sometimes much more considering how many nuts I go through in a day. Is that okay?

And I just got that nut thing.



My other question is that I heard I shouldn't mix fats with carbs too much when trying to lose weight. How credible is that?


The nuts are fine, and good for you.

Understand that organic is simply a marketing thing. It has a higher carbon footprint, takes more water to grow, and uses older, more dangerous, pesticides and has food of lower quality. You're better off, safer, and more responsible to use peanut butter made from modern agriculture methods that has a lower carbon footprint, uses the safer, newer, synthetic, pesticides, has higher food quality, and requires less water to grow.

Fats with carbs are just fine. The culprit is high insulin levels. You want steady blood sugar levels, which result in steady insulin levels. Calories are key for keeping your metabolism stoked. Avoid fried foods, saturated foods, and high glycemic foods (except post workout to carb up).
adidas0783 Posts: 189
Aug 15, 2009 7:38 PM GMT
makavelli saidI have flaxseed oil capsules as well. I should use it as supplement right and not as a substitute for fats from real or whole foods?


Yes, you can incorporate a good flax oil supplement and enteric-coated fish oil supplement. But also get you intake of other heart healthy fats from a variety of nuts, avocados, olive oil and clean fish (ie. wild salmon, trout)
Aug 15, 2009 8:15 PM GMT
jlly_rnchr saidIn general, the fats from nuts are poly and monounsaturated fats. Those are the good ones. Omega-3 and Omega-6s. Eat as much of those as you want.

Now, peanut butter has all that oil in it, sometimes containing trans fat. So that's bad. But there are far worst sources of fat.



This only happens if the peanut butter is hydrogenated. This is a processing technique which changes the fat so that the oil stays mixed with the creamy part of the peanut butter. If you buy natural peanut butter you won't have this problem.

I personally would avoid peanut butter. It's rubbish compared to cashew butter or almond butter.
RyanReBoRn Posts: 463
Aug 15, 2009 8:50 PM GMT
muchmorethanmuscle said
jlly_rnchr saidIn general, the fats from nuts are poly and monounsaturated fats. Those are the good ones. Omega-3 and Omega-6s. Eat as much of those as you want.

Now, peanut butter has all that oil in it, sometimes containing trans fat. So that's bad. But there are far worst sources of fat.



This only happens if the peanut butter is hydrogenated. This is a processing technique which changes the fat so that the oil stays mixed with the creamy part of the peanut butter. If you buy natural peanut butter you won't have this problem.

I personally would avoid peanut butter. It's rubbish compared to cashew butter or almond butter.


Do you order the cashew/almond butter online or do you go to a specialty store for it?
Aug 15, 2009 9:38 PM GMT
RyanReBoRn said
muchmorethanmuscle said
jlly_rnchr saidIn general, the fats from nuts are poly and monounsaturated fats. Those are the good ones. Omega-3 and Omega-6s. Eat as much of those as you want.

Now, peanut butter has all that oil in it, sometimes containing trans fat. So that's bad. But there are far worst sources of fat.



This only happens if the peanut butter is hydrogenated. This is a processing technique which changes the fat so that the oil stays mixed with the creamy part of the peanut butter. If you buy natural peanut butter you won't have this problem.

I personally would avoid peanut butter. It's rubbish compared to cashew butter or almond butter.


Do you order the cashew/almond butter online or do you go to a specialty store for it?


You can pick up almond butter at your local natural foods store. Not sure if I've seen cashew butter at the trader joes which is normally where I shop for stuff like that.
calibro Posts: 1348
Aug 15, 2009 10:42 PM GMT
RyanReBoRn said
muchmorethanmuscle said
jlly_rnchr saidIn general, the fats from nuts are poly and monounsaturated fats. Those are the good ones. Omega-3 and Omega-6s. Eat as much of those as you want.

Now, peanut butter has all that oil in it, sometimes containing trans fat. So that's bad. But there are far worst sources of fat.



This only happens if the peanut butter is hydrogenated. This is a processing technique which changes the fat so that the oil stays mixed with the creamy part of the peanut butter. If you buy natural peanut butter you won't have this problem.

I personally would avoid peanut butter. It's rubbish compared to cashew butter or almond butter.


Do you order the cashew/almond butter online or do you go to a specialty store for it?


Many supermarkets carry it. I know wholefoods often sells it in bulk. Wholefoods also had it's own nut grinder for butters so all you have to do is put in the nuts you want and it will grind it up for you to avoid all the extra fat
Celticmusl Posts: 981
Aug 15, 2009 11:12 PM GMT
peanuts are a great source of resveratrol, it will keep you young and ornery.
Aug 16, 2009 12:51 AM GMT
The FDA recommends eating 1.5 ounces of nuts a day. This equals one handful. Nuts are heart healthy because they contain omega-3 fatty acids and not saturated fats like meat and diary products. There are 60 some calories in one ounce of chestnuts and a little over 200 calories in an ounce of macadamia nuts. The other nuts like almonds, walnuts and pecans fall between these two extremes. Dietitians warn about nuts being high in calories. Peanuts are a legume like beans, but are heart healthy. Coconuts are technically a fruit. Coconuts are not considered heart healthy by cardiologists because the fat is saturated rather than unsaturated. Nuts are a good source of fiber, vitamin E, and L-arginine. Peanuts also contain resveratrol as pointed out by an earlier by Celticmusl.
Aug 16, 2009 2:06 AM GMT
RyanReBoRn said
muchmorethanmuscle said
jlly_rnchr saidIn general, the fats from nuts are poly and monounsaturated fats. Those are the good ones. Omega-3 and Omega-6s. Eat as much of those as you want.

Now, peanut butter has all that oil in it, sometimes containing trans fat. So that's bad. But there are far worst sources of fat.



This only happens if the peanut butter is hydrogenated. This is a processing technique which changes the fat so that the oil stays mixed with the creamy part of the peanut butter. If you buy natural peanut butter you won't have this problem.

I personally would avoid peanut butter. It's rubbish compared to cashew butter or almond butter.


Do you order the cashew/almond butter online or do you go to a specialty store for it?


I usually go to Trader Joe's for nut butters. You can even buy Smuckers Natural Peanut Butter at most grocery stores. Just look at the ingredients. It will say peanuts and salt and nothing more for ingredients. And the oil is floating on top inside the jar.
Aug 16, 2009 2:10 AM GMT
Celticmusl saidpeanuts are a great source of resveratrol, it will keep you young and ornery.


There are studies that indicate this is the case for insects (namely fruit flies) but not in mice and in humans the debate is not yet in.
Celticmusl Posts: 981
Aug 16, 2009 2:21 AM GMT
muchmorethanmuscle said
Celticmusl saidpeanuts are a great source of resveratrol, it will keep you young and ornery.


There are studies that indicate this is the case for insects (namely fruit flies) but not in mice and in humans the debate is not yet in.



Also, peanuts are an excellent source of arginine. As many of us know arginine seems to help with nitric oxide blood levels and can possibly help increase growth hormone levels.

Don't get me wrong, I don't eat peanuts just because they might be good for me, pending scientific research. I eat them because they taste good. Considering they seem to have a lot of great nutrients for you(I haven't even mentioned ZINC) it just makes me want to eat them more!


Aug 16, 2009 11:32 AM GMT
Avocados have this nutrient as well.

Avocados have vitamin K and are very good for you.

You can get zinc from other nuts too that have an overall healthier profile than peanuts do.

If I'm not wrong brazil nuts have zinc.


Peanuts aren't even technically a nut. They grow underground. They're like potatoes.
Aug 16, 2009 12:14 PM GMT
The oils in tree nuts, as others have said, are very good for you. Peanuts, while not tree nuts, also contain monounsaturated oils which are pretty good for you. Some commercial peanut butters contain added hydrogenated oils for enhanced smoothness, so try to avoid these at all costs.

I think it's good that you eat organic nut-butters, however you might want to try and eat a little less organic peanut butter. Though this is still not proven (at least I can't find any studies on it) it is thought that since they are not treated with man-made pesticides (contrary to Chucky's statement) the peanuts used for organic peanut butter are more susceptible to contamination with the fungus Aspergillus flavus which produces aflatoxin, a known carcinogen. Aflatoxin is known to be found in minute quantities in many nut products, but in levels that are acceptable to the FDA. Though it is being consumed in small quantities, aflatoxin can contribute to cellular and genetic damage over time, increasing the body's rate of aging and potentially increasing cancer risk. In lieu of organic peanut butter you may want to try cashew butter as cashews are less prone to contamination by aspergillus, I think this may be due to the manner in which they are processed. Unfortunately almonds, as much as I love them, also seem to be contaminated quite frequently. I definitely don't think you should stop eating peanut and almond butter altogether, but this is just something to keep in mind.

So yeah, keep eating nuts, tone down the peanuts, try some cashew butter. It's good for you (and I think it tastes better).
Aug 16, 2009 12:17 PM GMT
Another benefit of eating cashews (and mangoes): it is thought to reduce the severity of the allergic response to poison ivy/poison oak, because some oils in both of those are very similar to urushiol, the oil which is responsible for the nasty itching/burning/grossness.
Latenight30 Posts: 340
Aug 16, 2009 12:37 PM GMT
I'd love to keep nuts at the office but there is some poor unfortunate soul has a nut allergy. GRR i couldn't live without peanut butter. but nuts are healthy.
RPMSoccer Posts: 475
Aug 16, 2009 12:43 PM GMT
this has inspired me to grab my soy nutter and some whole wheat and fiber crackers that were given to me earlier this week
chuckystud Posts: 4810
Aug 16, 2009 1:18 PM GMT
skifan08 saidblah blah blah
There is NO such thing as pesticide-less farming. There's little doubt that synthetic pesticides are vastly safer. Do your homework.
Celticmusl Posts: 981
Aug 16, 2009 1:30 PM GMT
RPMSoccer saidthis has inspired me to grab my soy nutter and some whole wheat and fiber crackers that were given to me earlier this week


I'm sorry but Soy is from beans and I guess beans are evil or something? Honestly who doesn't know that peanuts are legumes and not nuts? I know Mr. Peanut and you sir are no nut!

The idea of not eating peanuts because they are not treated with pesticides does not SEEM counterintuitive, it is counterintuitive!

You can eat peanuts and you can eat nuts in moderation, just like everything else. Also, avocados is a great way to get some healthy fats in your diet as someone else has already pointed out. Avocados have a great nutrient profile as well.

Did anyone mention sesame butter? Sesame is not a nut it's a seed! But it also is a great way to get some fat, protein, zinc and other minerals in your diet.

Why do RJ men seem to be obsessed with nuts? .......ummm....nevermind lol
Aug 16, 2009 1:41 PM GMT
chuckystud said
skifan08 saidblah blah blah
There is NO such thing as pesticide-less farming. There's little doubt that synthetic pesticides are vastly safer. Do your homework.


Ever visited an organic farm, Chucky? I have - in fact my parents and I actually grow everything in our home garden organically. There are plenty of natural pesticides you can use such as neem and clove oils, ladybugs and even parasitic insects and funguses. I honestly don't know where you can find information that says synthetic pesticides are safer. Do your homework (and try and be a little less condescending in your posts. It doesn't suit you well).

Celticmusl Posts: 981
Aug 16, 2009 1:49 PM GMT
skifan08 said
chuckystud said
skifan08 saidblah blah blah
There is NO such thing as pesticide-less farming. There's little doubt that synthetic pesticides are vastly safer. Do your homework.


Ever visited an organic farm, Chucky? I have - in fact my parents and I actually grow everything in our home garden organically. There are plenty of natural pesticides you can use such as neem and clove oils, ladybugs and even parasitic insects and funguses. I honestly don't know where you can find information that says synthetic pesticides are safer. Do your homework (and try and be a little less condescending in your posts. It doesn't suit you well).



My mother grew up on a farm in the early part of this century so she knew a lot about gardening. She would surround our vegetable garden with marigolds and geraniums because it keeps the insects and rabbits away. We never used anything synthetic.
Aug 16, 2009 1:51 PM GMT
Celticmusl said
My mother grew up on a farm in the early part of this century so she knew a lot about gardening. She would surround our vegetable garden with marigolds and geraniums because it keeps the insects and rabbits away. We never used anything synthetic.


We tried marigolds to keep the rabbits away, but the deer ate the marigolds
Celticmusl Posts: 981
Aug 16, 2009 2:02 PM GMT
skifan08 said
Celticmusl said
My mother grew up on a farm in the early part of this century so she knew a lot about gardening. She would surround our vegetable garden with marigolds and geraniums because it keeps the insects and rabbits away. We never used anything synthetic.


We tried marigolds to keep the rabbits away, but the deer ate the marigolds



Lol, well a bear will keep the deer away. So that's the answer, bears and marigolds and your problem is solved.