Racial and religious profiling

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    Aug 16, 2009 9:43 AM GMT
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    More than a billion people would recognize this face instantly. Apparently those who guard our borders are not amongst them. http://tinyurl.com/q8l552
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    Aug 16, 2009 2:59 PM GMT
    Maybe a billion in India, but only a handful in America. I don't see the point here.
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    Aug 16, 2009 3:05 PM GMT
    lol its all being taken too seriously. lots of people get detained for two hours, and i'd rather our airports be safer than sorry in any case, and they don't have much more to go on than racial profiling. when the terrorist camps start training western white folks who look like librarians to blow themselves up, it won't do much good, but it's all we have. and I'VE never heard of this dude- stars from other countries are like kids pretending to be stars when they grow up lol we can't keep track of them all or really be expected to know who any of them are in the first place. and i'm amused at how bruised it made his ego- i mean, what, because he does movies he's above suspicion or the detainments in american airports that all of us little people have to endure? lol
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    I think the significance of this thread is that Khan is an example of identifiable profiling. The database used by TSA defines the profile to be matched. This is rare form of profiling that can be stopped.

    I often travel with security and due to the nature of my business activities I am often in contact with law enforcement. These guys so often do not have a clear profile in mind when they are accused of profiling by what I will call unkindly: the rabble.

    Let me give you an example. One of my business units builds homes. (And few at the moment.) If we are to outlaw profiling based on skin color let's say, in all liklihood one of those colors we can no longer profile will be black. Perhaps tan. No big deal. We should not profile based on skin color. But there will be results from government intervention as we see in all things government touches.

    So a neighbor in this new subdivision sees a young black kid
    shimmying through a window of a home under construction.........she calls 911 to inform the operator she has seen someone entering a vacant home for some unknown purpose......in our world of ourlawed profiling......the operator must first inquire as to the race of the perpretrator......"mam, is the person entering the home black?" ......well, yes, in fact, he is....."I can't send the police mam, you're on your own." "We can't assume a black kid is committing a criminal act because he is black." "Perhaps the next criminal to remove a dishwasher from the home will be white." "I can send the polics then."
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    czarodziej saidlol its all being taken too seriously. lots of people get detained for two hours, and i'd rather our airports be safer than sorry in any case, and they don't have much more to go on than racial profiling. when the terrorist camps start training western white folks who look like librarians to blow themselves up, it won't do much good, but it's all we have. and I'VE never heard of this dude- stars from other countries are like kids pretending to be stars when they grow up lol we can't keep track of them all or really be expected to know who any of them are in the first place. and i'm amused at how bruised it made his ego- i mean, what, because he does movies he's above suspicion or the detainments in american airports that all of us little people have to endure? lol


    This is really fucking stupid. Ok, so here's what I want you to do, go to wikipedia and search "serial killers". You'll see that historically almost every serial killer to have been profiled has been of white/european descent. I don't know about you, but I a serial killer pops up in the United States at about the same rate as terrorist attacks/plots. So why is it that white people are not profiled as serial killers. I've been through a lot of airports in my time, and I've never once been asked if I'd cannibalized any corpses, dressed up as a clown and lured young boys to the crawl space of my house, stalked young women, or anything.

    So while not all white people are serial killers, some of them are, and often race is the only thing we have to go on. lots of people get detained for two hours, and i'd rather our airports be safer from white serial killers than sorry in any case, and they don't have much more to go on than racial profiling.When the serial killer camps (Detroit and Milwaukee) start training arab and south asian folks who look like librarians to blow themselves up, it won't do much good, but it's all we have.
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    Aug 16, 2009 3:28 PM GMT
    All of these bloody crybabies about profiling at airports really need to have some common sense.
    Let's look at the men whom brought down the WTC in america. When you saw the footage of them they were dressed and looked like anyone in today's airports. So unfortunately racial and religious profiling IS THE ONLY screening available now. (This is not the same trype of profiling that many face today by individual racist pigs.) This profiling is done for the whole of the country where the airports are.
    Either these people deal with it, or don't travel to any civilised societies. Simple as that.
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    NB- (By the way, I have no clue who this person is. (If he is such a HUGE star, then why bother flying commerical?))
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    Aug 16, 2009 3:32 PM GMT
    Right on, Fountains. I am officially a fan.

    This is what pisses so many minorities off. Each racial group has their own part that has and does do fucked up shit. But it seems like the minorities are the ones that are always profiled. Should I get nervous every time that I see a middle-aged white man walk into a building (L.A. Fitness, the Post Office, the building where I work)? According to one poster's logic, I should. It would be better safe than sorry.
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    Aug 16, 2009 3:32 PM GMT
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    Either these people deal with it, or don't travel to any civilised societies.


    What do you mean by "civilized" societies? What a joke....
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    Either these people deal with it, or don't travel to any civilised societies.


    What do you mean by "civilized" societies? What a joke....


    Hmmm....too difficult for you? icon_eek.gif
    Use that lump three feet above your arse to figure out what I meant by civilised. I am quite sure that even you can come with something.
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    Musclequest saidAll of these bloody crybabies about profiling at airports really need to have some common sense.
    Let's look at the men whom brought down the WTC in america. When you saw the footage of them they were dressed and looked like anyone in today's airports. So unfortunately racial and religious profiling IS THE ONLY screening available now. (This is not the same trype of profiling that many face today by individual racist pigs.) This profiling is done for the whole of the country where the airports are.
    Either these people deal with it, or don't travel to any civilised societies. Simple as that.
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    NB- (By the way, I have no clue who this person is. (If he is such a HUGE star, then why bother flying commerical?))


    1) It's impossible to make an airplane completely safe, too many people have access to it.

    2) Civilized societies? Maybe you should look into a guy named Edward Said.

    3) No matter who you profile, that's not the fucking point because it ignores WHY people feel the need to commit acts of terror to begin with. This logic falls in with the same crowd that think Mustafa and Mohammed hate you because you have freedom and they don't. What a joke. If the united states was really interested in the prevention and elimination of terrorism in the united states, then they should STOP PARTICIPATING IN IT by committing terrorist acts world wide, breaking democracies, and installing fascist authoritarian regimes world wide.
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    world5524 said
    Musclequest said
    Either these people deal with it, or don't travel to any civilised societies.


    What do you mean by "civilized" societies? What a joke....


    Hmmm....too difficult for you? icon_eek.gif
    Use that lump three feet above your arse to figure out what I meant by civilised. I am quite sure that even you can come with something.
    -Cheers,
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    icon_lol.gif I'm not even going to respond to that. Come on man, grow up.
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    Musclequest saidAll of these bloody crybabies about profiling at airports really need to have some common sense.
    Let's look at the men whom brought down the WTC in america. When you saw the footage of them they were dressed and looked like anyone in today's airports. So unfortunately racial and religious profiling IS THE ONLY screening available now. (This is not the same trype of profiling that many face today by individual racist pigs.) This profiling is done for the whole of the country where the airports are.
    Either these people deal with it, or don't travel to any civilised societies. Simple as that.
    Cheers,
    Keith
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    NB- (By the way, I have no clue who this person is. (If he is such a HUGE star, then why bother flying commerical?))


    1) It's impossible to make an airplane completely safe, too many people have access to it.

    2) Civilized societies? Maybe you should look into a guy named Edward Said.

    3) No matter who you profile, that's not the fucking point because it ignores WHY people feel the need to commit acts of terror to begin with. This logic falls in with the same crowd that think Mustafa and Mohammed hate you because you have freedom and they don't. What a joke. If the united states was really interested in the prevention and elimination of terrorism in the united states, then they should STOP PARTICIPATING IN IT by committing terrorist acts world wide, breaking democracies, and installing fascist authoritarian regimes world wide.


    I agree with your point #1. And for the most part your #3. I am no fan of the u.s. policy period.
    Why people "feel the need to commit acts of terror" should be ignored. It's not logical. The more of the cowardice acts of terror they commit, the more profiling and aggressive stances are put into place. It can be a never eneding cycle.
    However......profiling IS THE ONLY means at airports we have. So most everyone needs to pull up their bloody big boy pants, dry their eyes and get on with it.
    -Cheers,
    Keith
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    NB- Not a fan of Said. Found his writing as if he had an axe to grind. (On a personal note, not a huge fan of many Asian cultures for the way they treat animals.)
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    world5524 said
    Musclequest said
    world5524 said
    Musclequest said
    Either these people deal with it, or don't travel to any civilised societies.


    What do you mean by "civilized" societies? What a joke....


    Hmmm....too difficult for you? icon_eek.gif
    Use that lump three feet above your arse to figure out what I meant by civilised. I am quite sure that even you can come with something.
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    icon_lol.gif I'm not even going to respond to that. Come on man, grow up.


    You are right.....referring to someone's post as "What a joke" was quite mature. Touche'
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    Aug 16, 2009 4:07 PM GMT
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    (On a personal note, not a huge fan of many Asian cultures for the way they treat animals.)


    On another personal note, I'm not a fan of "Westernized" cultures for the way they treat and exploit humans.
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    So why is it that white people are not profiled as serial killers.


    They are profiled as serial killers. Lol. As the complexity of crime increases the psychological profile of the target perpetrator is almost always that of a white male.

    Now thug crime, that's anorther story.
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    Aug 16, 2009 4:16 PM GMT
    So people are complaining because this guy was detained for an hour when he he was trying to enter through customs and his name showed up on a terrorist watch list?

    Frankly I am fine with them holding him up until they ensure that he isn't the one on the list.

    There are also American names on the list like John Smith who get held up at airports too because they are on the watch list.

    And no sure what the OP's point was about recognizing this guy... I had no idea who it was from the picture.
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    (On a personal note, not a huge fan of many Asian cultures for the way they treat animals.)


    On another personal note, I'm not a fan of "Westernized" cultures for the way they treat and exploit humans.


    Human treatment, compared to animal treament, for me is not even on the same field. Humans put themselves in their own peril. Animals are put there by humans.
    However Western civilised countries treat people far more "humanely" then other less properly cultured societies on this planet do. Their intent is just, their execution of this intent does not always have the desired result.
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    Aug 16, 2009 4:26 PM GMT
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    So why is it that white people are not profiled as serial killers.


    They are profiled as serial killers. Lol. As the complexity of crime increases the psychological profile of the target perpetrator is almost always that of a white male.

    Now thug crime, that's anorther story.


    You're comparing apples and oranges. When a serial killer pops up, and they're actively profiling a serial killer that's one thing (which in and of itself has problems).

    However, when I drive down to the US, no border guard actively questions me on the possibility that I might be a serial killer. LULZ ROFL. However, when my friend crosses the border and they see visa stamps from the middle east and india, they immediately question him as though he's plotting something sinister. LULZ ROFL.

    I feel as though this is an unsuitable band-aid solution to stopping terrorism.



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    Aug 16, 2009 4:27 PM GMT
    For a time earlier this decade the US Veterans Administration (VA) was flying me to different hospitals that specialized in some medical issues I had. Because my stay would be open-ended, they'd only buy me a 1-way ticket there, and then another one coming back home when I was done. And they wouldn't get either ticket until almost the day before the flight, which at least I could understand for my return, when my release would be unknown until it happened.

    Well, there's a profile they check right there: 1-way ticket bought on short notice. I just got used to being pulled out of the security check point for a separate search and interrogation. I was always released, but it was a hassle.

    My ticket was a flag, because their profiling criteria didn't consider that it was the US FEDERAL GOVERNMENT who had bought my ticket! Short notice 1-way ticket was all they were checking, not who bought it.

    On one of these trips we were all getting our shoes checked for explosives at security. Mine came up positive, and I got quickly hustled into a secure room guarded by a camouflaged soldier with an M-16 rifle. They were about to strip-search me when a security guard came over from the X-ray machine, where my pocket contents were still in a grey plastic tub. He was carrying my nitro bottle for my heart, and suddenly everyone relaxed, after they confirmed my name on the prescription.

    Seems when I put a new nitro bottle into my pocket as I left my house that morning, and then put my shoes on, nitro from the unopened bottle got onto my fingers and then onto my shoes. And medical nitro alerts the airport detectors just like explosive nitro does.

    I was glad to know their machines are that incredibly sensitive, but it sure was harrowing for a few minutes, because when they think you're carrying explosives you are NOT treated gently or respectfully. You think profiling is bad? You should experience the "bum's rush" (to use an old expression) you get when you alert for a bomb. LOL!
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    Aug 16, 2009 4:28 PM GMT
    I often wonder where the profiling "crybabies" come from. So tell us, enlighten us, how many of you RJ'ers are convicted felons?

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    (On a personal note, not a huge fan of many Asian cultures for the way they treat animals.)


    On another personal note, I'm not a fan of "Westernized" cultures for the way they treat and exploit humans.


    Human treatment, compared to animal treament, for me is not even on the same field. Humans put themselves in their own peril. Animals are put there by humans.
    However Western civilised countries treat people far more "humanely" then other less properly cultured societies on this planet do. Their intent is just, their execution of this intent does not always have the desired result.
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    I'm not even sure even if you believe that last two sentences of your answer. Their intent is just, tell that to the millions who are dying in Bolivian and Peruvian mines so that we, the "civilized", can lead “happy”, consuming lives.

    But you are right, humans do put themselves in their own peril. I’m sorry that I was just born in the wrong place at the wrong time! Please, some are born into a life that will forever chain them. You live in a bubble where American policy would apply elsewhere. The reality is that someone is living a dreadful life so that we can enjoy the bearings of the fruitful tree. In the modern world, justice is only promoted, not even executed correctly, within your own border. Everyone else is free game.
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    twomack saidI often wonder where the profiling "crybabies" come from. So tell us, enlighten us, how many of you RJ'ers are convicted felons?

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    I thought you are supposed to be a pilot. Aren't pilots supposed to be intelligent?

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    Aug 16, 2009 5:16 PM GMT
    As for the profiling, there is a need to profile for many different reasons, all of which promote safety in our country from terrorism. I would be a bit agrivated if it happened to me, but more so I would be grateful that they aren't just letting everyone in. Megastar or not, being held for an hour isn't like being put in prison without due process and it isn't just Middle Eastern appearing people who are being held.

    As for the animal treatment in Asia thing, someone please enlighten me. How are they less humane than Americans?
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    Aug 16, 2009 5:34 PM GMT
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    czarodziej saidlol its all being taken too seriously. lots of people get detained for two hours, and i'd rather our airports be safer than sorry in any case, and they don't have much more to go on than racial profiling. when the terrorist camps start training western white folks who look like librarians to blow themselves up, it won't do much good, but it's all we have. and I'VE never heard of this dude- stars from other countries are like kids pretending to be stars when they grow up lol we can't keep track of them all or really be expected to know who any of them are in the first place. and i'm amused at how bruised it made his ego- i mean, what, because he does movies he's above suspicion or the detainments in american airports that all of us little people have to endure? lol


    This is really fucking stupid. Ok, so here's what I want you to do, go to wikipedia and search "serial killers". You'll see that historically almost every serial killer to have been profiled has been of white/european descent. I don't know about you, but I a serial killer pops up in the United States at about the same rate as terrorist attacks/plots. So why is it that white people are not profiled as serial killers. I've been through a lot of airports in my time, and I've never once been asked if I'd cannibalized any corpses, dressed up as a clown and lured young boys to the crawl space of my house, stalked young women, or anything.

    So while not all white people are serial killers, some of them are, and often race is the only thing we have to go on. lots of people get detained for two hours, and i'd rather our airports be safer from white serial killers than sorry in any case, and they don't have much more to go on than racial profiling.When the serial killer camps (Detroit and Milwaukee) start training arab and south asian folks who look like librarians to blow themselves up, it won't do much good, but it's all we have.


    how about the fact that serial killers kill people in seclusion, where it is generally just them and their victim, other than the sniper. Serial killers don't hijack planes well unless you want to say osama bin laden is a serial killer and then well yea they do but he was middle eastern so the only profile of a plane hijacking serial killer we have would be a middle easterner. hmmm interesting.
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    Aug 16, 2009 5:37 PM GMT
    world5524 said
    Musclequest said

    (On a personal note, not a huge fan of many Asian cultures for the way they treat animals.)


    On another personal note, I'm not a fan of "Westernized" cultures for the way they treat and exploit humans.


    if you are so opposed maybe you should stop living in one. just a suggestion