**SEMENYA -Man or woman? I vote man - or at least not fully woman**. Person in green bottom and green and yellow top.

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    Aug 18, 2009 11:06 PM GMT
    18 year old South African athlete Caster Semenya competing in the World Athletics Championships in Berling yesterday.

    Officials are currently investigating whether Caster is fully female.
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    Aug 18, 2009 11:15 PM GMT
    I think I see an adam's apple!
  • jgymnast733

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    Aug 18, 2009 11:21 PM GMT
    Which one is the south african?
    they all look manly to me.......
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    Aug 18, 2009 11:23 PM GMT
    is it a trap?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-bqET22vEU
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    Aug 19, 2009 12:56 AM GMT
    jgymnast733 saidWhich one is the south african?
    they all look manly to me.......


    LOL oh you lie icon_biggrin.gif

    The runner in the green bottom and the green and yellow top
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    Aug 19, 2009 12:58 AM GMT
    Fable saidis it a trap?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-bqET22vEU


    Is what a trap? Did you listen to that voice?

    That is not a womanicon_exclaim.gif
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    Aug 19, 2009 12:59 AM GMT
    SWL2 saidThat's horrible... Judging men as looking like women was bad enough enough but, vise versa is just no morale whatsoever. Unless she or he is naked... God doesn't do plastiic surgery.


    It would be more horrible if it was a man competing with women don't you think? That would be quite immoral

    The person looks and sound like a manicon_exclaim.gif
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    Aug 19, 2009 1:14 AM GMT
    It could be possible that Caster Semenya is a hermaphrodite. Maybe she chosen be identified as a woman?(I'm not saying this to be funny)

    But I have to agree, she looks and sounds very manly.icon_question.gif
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    Aug 19, 2009 1:17 AM GMT
    WolfRain saidIt could be possible that Caster Semenya is a hermaphrodite. Maybe she chosen be identified as a woman?(I'm not saying this to be funny)

    But I have to agree, she looks and sounds very manly.icon_question.gif


    No, it's ok I understand.

    Well if she is, she can't compete. Per the rules only full 100% women can compete in women races.
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    Aug 19, 2009 1:20 AM GMT
    Yes maybe she is a hermaphrodite. Maybe a transexual. Point being, let's not judge her, she's a great athlete. So what if she has a few scars? We wouldn't be judging if they were investigating for a gay athlete, right?
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    Aug 19, 2009 1:43 AM GMT
    Blackguy4you said
    jgymnast733 saidWhich one is the south african?
    they all look manly to me.......


    LOL oh you lie icon_biggrin.gif

    The runner in the green bottom and the green and yellow top

    OHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
    Chii-l,,,,thats keshia lateesha alize hennessesha johnson..
    She lives on market street wit pookie nem...dats malik's half sista on ray rays side of the family.......
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    Aug 19, 2009 1:54 AM GMT
    inmate_6655321 saidYes maybe she is a hermaphrodite. Maybe a transexual. Point being, let's not judge her, she's a great athlete. So what if she has a few scars? We wouldn't be judging if they were investigating for a gay athlete, right?


    She has to be judged. Only a 100% woman can compete in women events! A hermaphrodite cannot!
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    Aug 19, 2009 1:54 AM GMT
    jgymnast733 said
    Blackguy4you said
    jgymnast733 saidWhich one is the south african?
    they all look manly to me.......


    LOL oh you lie icon_biggrin.gif

    The runner in the green bottom and the green and yellow top

    OHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
    Thats not a man, chii-l,,,,thats keshia lateesha alize hennessya johnson..


    LOL - You are crazy icon_biggrin.gificon_biggrin.gificon_biggrin.gif
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    Aug 19, 2009 2:39 AM GMT



    BUSTED!
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    Aug 19, 2009 2:48 AM GMT
    Sex is way more dynamic than people think. How would we even go about defining what a 100% woman is? Or in this case someone who is less than 100%? Would a participant be disqualified because biology had given her slightly longer legs? Of course not, but suddenly someone with slightly ambiguous genitalia needs to be bared from ever competing.

    That is pretty ridiculous.
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    Aug 19, 2009 3:13 AM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidSex is way more dynamic than people think. How would we even go about defining what a 100% woman is? Or in this case someone who is less than 100%? Would a participant be disqualified because biology had given her slightly longer legs? Of course not, but suddenly someone with slightly ambiguous genitalia needs to be bared from ever competing.

    That is pretty ridiculous.


    No it's not riduculous - men are genetically stronger, faster than a woman. It would not be a level playing field if allowed to compete with women.
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    Aug 19, 2009 12:15 PM GMT
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    MunchingZombie saidSex is way more dynamic than people think. How would we even go about defining what a 100% woman is? Or in this case someone who is less than 100%? Would a participant be disqualified because biology had given her slightly longer legs? Of course not, but suddenly someone with slightly ambiguous genitalia needs to be bared from ever competing.

    That is pretty ridiculous.


    No it's not riduculous - men are genetically stronger, faster than a woman. It would not be a level playing field if allowed to compete with women.


    Which is why men and women don't generally compete in the same events. But you are saying that only 100% females are allowed to compete with each other. What does that even mean? Sex isn't an either or situation, like sexuality and gender and most things in the world it exists on a continuum. At what arbitrary point do we begin segregating people?

    That is the ridiculous part.
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    Aug 19, 2009 12:23 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie said
    Blackguy4you said
    MunchingZombie saidSex is way more dynamic than people think. How would we even go about defining what a 100% woman is? Or in this case someone who is less than 100%? Would a participant be disqualified because biology had given her slightly longer legs? Of course not, but suddenly someone with slightly ambiguous genitalia needs to be bared from ever competing.

    That is pretty ridiculous.


    No it's not riduculous - men are genetically stronger, faster than a woman. It would not be a level playing field if allowed to compete with women.


    Which is why men and women don't generally compete in the same events. But you are saying that only 100% females are allowed to compete with each other. What does that even mean? Sex isn't an either or situation, like sexuality and gender and most things in the world it exists on a continuum. At what arbitrary point do we begin segregating people?

    That is the ridiculous part.


    When dna tests show that the person isn't, gentically, 100% female/male?
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    Aug 19, 2009 12:31 PM GMT
    Yes, but what does that look like? Why?

    If we go from the assumption that she was born a female and has not had any surgical or chemical alteration why shouldn't she compete as a female? If we say that she can't we are putting an arbitrary prohibition on certain natural characteristics and not others. Above I mentioned longer legs as an acceptable biological difference. It gives someone a much bigger stride and therefor an advantage over their opponents. But a little extra testosterone, which can occur naturally, is not acceptable somehow?
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    Aug 19, 2009 3:23 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidYes, but what does that look like? Why?

    If we go from the assumption that she was born a female and has not had any surgical or chemical alteration why shouldn't she compete as a female? If we say that she can't we are putting an arbitrary prohibition on certain natural characteristics and not others. Above I mentioned longer legs as an acceptable biological difference. It gives someone a much bigger stride and therefor an advantage over their opponents. But a little extra testosterone, which can occur naturally, is not acceptable somehow?



    If she was born a female, then she has every right to compete.

    I think it has something to do with the xx/xy combination of chromosones.

    I doubt they'd disqualify her for having extra testosterone in her system, unless it was from steroid abuse.

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    Aug 19, 2009 3:50 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidSex is way more dynamic than people think. How would we even go about defining what a 100% woman is? Or in this case someone who is less than 100%? Would a participant be disqualified because biology had given her slightly longer legs? Of course not, but suddenly someone with slightly ambiguous genitalia needs to be bared from ever competing.

    That is pretty ridiculous.


    The rules are that if you're not fully a woman, you have the right to compete in men's events! Nobody is barred from "ever competing" for a genetic reason. This rule is about fairness, it has nothing to do with sexuality or traditional gender roles.
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    Aug 19, 2009 4:16 PM GMT
    MtndudeSF saidThe rules are that if you're not fully a woman, you have the right to compete in men's events! Nobody is barred from "ever competing" for a genetic reason. This rule is about fairness, it has nothing to do with sexuality or traditional gender roles.


    No, it doesn't. But we don't even know what is up with this woman. If she has a working cock, then she shouldn't be in this event. But what if she just produces a little more testosterone?

    Again, how are we defining 100% woman? And again, the game is already unfair as certain people are born with traits that make them superior in a particular sport. How is my hypothetical any different?

    *edit*

    From what I have read in the news she has had examinations by officials in the games. She has all her lady bits. She does, however, have a little facial hair and a deeper voice. A full test will have results in a few weeks, but she is competing in the finals of the game.
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    Aug 19, 2009 4:44 PM GMT
    It's possible that her hormone levels have been radically decreased due to long periods of training and not having enough bodyfat.

    It's also possible she's an XY female.
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    Jul 06, 2010 3:13 PM GMT
    This topic irked me....and now here are the results.


    http://www.vancouversun.com/health/Semenya+cleared+return+IAAF/3241169/story.html


    "LAUSANNE, Switzerland - South African world 800 metres champion Caster Semenya has been cleared to compete as a female, the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) said on Tuesday.

    Semenya, 19, has not run competitively since undergoing gender tests at the Berlin world championships last August.

    "The IAAF accepts the conclusion of a panel of medical experts that she can compete with immediate effect," the IAAF said in a statement."

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    Jul 06, 2010 3:21 PM GMT
    Could you imagine how terrible she must feel? the whole world questioning her. Public humiliation and it would be just as bad hearing the results. "contrary to popular belief, it is a woman. Were just as surprised as you are."