"I am thrilled that I am finally positive"

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    Aug 19, 2009 12:32 PM GMT
    this makes me fucking sick to my stomach...


    http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=28537.new
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    Aug 19, 2009 1:38 PM GMT
    yeah um, that poster took the notion of positive thinking a wee bit too far. I guess he doesn't fully understand the implications to unprotected sex even while positive.

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    Aug 19, 2009 1:42 PM GMT
    its probably some idiot trying to be funny, at least i hope... contracting HIV at 19 would not be fun
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    Aug 19, 2009 2:07 PM GMT
    It's certainly disturbing.

    At this point, though, there's nothing to be gained by trying to convince the guy that he ought to be miserable. It's very likely that his joy will be short-lived (for lots of reasons), so let it last as long as it can last. I just hope the poster and his partner are both seeking medical treatment!

    IMO, the poz.com posters who essentially said "welcome to the forums... we'll be here when you need us" had the right idea.
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    Aug 19, 2009 2:13 PM GMT
    Disturbing.

    I thought initially it was being positive in his outlook, but the 'trying to catch it for a year' thing is absolutely stupid (and the rationale, since his partner could catch a separate strain and pass that on too, right?)
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    Aug 19, 2009 2:18 PM GMT
    Basically, it was an adolescent thing he did. Unfortunately, he will regret his actions as he mature into adulthood.

    Pretty sad and tragic, there has obviously been a lacking of a positive adult role model in his life. That bit of hope which seeds those long term hopes and dreams of a happy healthy life with that one special spouse/partner. He seems to think that the now is the only thing he has.

    Ah, to be nineteen and ignorant again.
  • jarhead5536

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    Aug 19, 2009 2:18 PM GMT
    Speechless here. Does this nitwit understand that he may never, and I mean NEVER, be able to find a LTR because of this? Those of us poz guys that have found a partner are the lucky ones...
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    Aug 19, 2009 2:20 PM GMT
    I'm sure he'll be real happy 'living his life' when he cant get medical coverage or pay for his bills.
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    Aug 19, 2009 2:38 PM GMT
    USArmyMutt saidI'm sure he'll be real happy 'living his life' when he cant get medical coverage or pay for his bills.

    Tough getting medical coverage when you have HIV as a preexisting medical condition. Even Social Security is reluctant to grant Medicare disability status to HIV now, and what would he have paid into SSI at 19?

    Yet an opportunistic disease could take him at any time. Yes, persons with HIV are living longer now, but as an average. You can catch something like PML (a brain virus) at any time, and it's 100% fatal and fairly quick. That's what took my late partner from me without warning, though he'd been doing great with his HIV until those last few months.

    Yeah, tell me how wonderful HIV is. And why I spend all my spare time and money fighting it, as my current partner does. I can only hope this is some sick joke.
  • Mikeylikesit

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    Aug 19, 2009 2:56 PM GMT
    Its the reality out there men....It a way to get everything for free....Best of health care, housing, disability check....ect...ect....I know guys that did it to live of the government!!
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  • HndsmKansan

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    Aug 19, 2009 3:04 PM GMT
    Its a pretty odd discussion there... the only comparison I have, and I know it sounds pathetic, is a woman trying to get pregnant...

    "he's been trying to get it for over a year now......".

    How very sad indeed. I wonder how he will feel at 30?
  • cowboyathlete

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    Aug 19, 2009 3:14 PM GMT
    redbull saidthis makes me fucking sick to my stomach...


    http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=28537.new
    Everyone else posting at that link seems to agree with you.
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    Aug 19, 2009 3:46 PM GMT
    tinymike saidits probably some idiot trying to be funny, at least i hope... contracting HIV at 19 would not be fun


    I doubt it's a joke. This sounds like the typical argument made by guys trying to catch HIV. Sad, but it happens.
  • jhill2456

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    Aug 19, 2009 4:08 PM GMT
    WOW...I knew this country had some nutjobs.... but DAMN!!!
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    Aug 19, 2009 4:13 PM GMT
    I eat right, exercise and take care of myself because I want to have abundant energy and peace of mind to pursue the things i want to do.

    I know guys who are unfortunately HIV poz. The medicines take a toll on their moods and energy levels. They need to constantly have blood tests and doctor visits to keep themselves healthy.

    The current HIV meds are relatively new. Nobody knows yet the damage to the body from these meds. .....on your liver, heart etc. Plus, they have to take more medicine to counteract the side affects of the HIV meds.......

    All that stuff going into your system is probably like driving a car with the emergency break on.......not exactly what a "real jock" wants.

    But intentionally getting HIV is a concept I simply cannot fathom.
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    Aug 19, 2009 4:14 PM GMT
    that posting made me sick to my stomach... jesus...
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    Aug 19, 2009 4:24 PM GMT
    Chasers.... icon_rolleyes.gif
  • lostlogic

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    Aug 19, 2009 5:31 PM GMT
    Yes, I've heard even around here there are parties where HIV+ guys will meet HIV- guys at clubs who want to get infected, and has an orgy in attempt to get it. It's really disgusting and terrifying.
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    Aug 19, 2009 5:35 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidIts a pretty odd discussion there... the only comparison I have, and I know it sounds pathetic, is a woman trying to get pregnant...

    "he's been trying to get it for over a year now......".

    How very sad indeed. I wonder how he will feel at 30?


    My god... what an idiot. This guy's got the right idea, sounds like a desperate attempt to hold on to his bf. When his bf realizes what a nut job he is and leaves him he will definitely regret it. Being poz doesn't mean you can have all the unprotected sex you want with no other consequences. HIV is not the only STD. I didn't know that "chasers" actually existed.
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    Aug 19, 2009 7:50 PM GMT
    It isn't anything new sadly. There is a LARGE community of bug chasers both gay and straight; both male and female. These people take perversion to a sadistic level that allows all ends (pleasure only) to be justified by the means and it is a very, VERY large insult to every person involved in any way to helping those with HIV/AIDS.
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    Aug 19, 2009 8:02 PM GMT
    Well the damn thing for me is that my partner & I exert a great deal of our effort, and quite frankly money, to PREVENT the spread of HIV. We are both AIDS widowers, and this story, if true, is a big slap in the face for us.

    It defies what we are trying to do: to keep anyone from contracting HIV, and to help extend the lives, and the quality of life, of those who have HIV, along with their families. We both do this every day, and I can't express here my disgust that anyone would ever do this, or even suggest it.

    When you have your partner literally die in your arms of AIDS, as mine did, then you will understand my revulsion at this concept. I'm sorry, but I'm very disturbed by this.
  • styrgan

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    Aug 19, 2009 8:03 PM GMT
    Pinny saidIt isn't anything new sadly. There is a LARGE community of bug chasers both gay and straight; both male and female. These people take perversion to a sadistic level that allows all ends (pleasure only) to be justified by the means and it is a very, VERY large insult to every person involved in any way to helping those with HIV/AIDS.


    I don't think the motivation for bug chasing is sadism. It seems to be more about reaching a new level of sexual freedom - where there is no longer any anxiety about the consequences of sexual decisions.
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    Aug 19, 2009 10:35 PM GMT
    What bothers me about it is that he thinks he can now have sex with others ( i am assuming are HIV+) without worries of being safe. Even if the other half is poz, one has to be careful not to inflect oneself or others with a different strain, raise your viral count, become resistant to medication options, or have your strain mutate into what the news calls the 'supervirus".

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    Aug 19, 2009 11:03 PM GMT
    styrgan said
    Pinny saidIt isn't anything new sadly. There is a LARGE community of bug chasers both gay and straight; both male and female. These people take perversion to a sadistic level that allows all ends (pleasure only) to be justified by the means and it is a very, VERY large insult to every person involved in any way to helping those with HIV/AIDS.


    I don't think the motivation for bug chasing is sadism. It seems to be more about reaching a new level of sexual freedom - where there is no longer any anxiety about the consequences of sexual decisions.


    For this kid(a name I hate to be called, but he seems to fit it nicely) it seems like a combination of those factors plus the attraction of having a "little bit of hector" living in him. I call that a delusion.
  • MikemikeMike

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    Aug 20, 2009 3:02 PM GMT
    We had another topic on this about young men going to "bug parties" for the sole purpose of getting infected. I some starnge way they think this way they can forget about condoms and have sex with strangers. How truly sad!! This gives the rest of society reasons NOT to donate toward HIV and AIDS research and also makes the prop8 folks feel with this menality in the gay community they should never be given the same rights as hetero couples. Talk about setting things back 20 yrs!!

    Not to mention it is a virus and super strains will develop that we will have no meds for!! Again this is so truly sad. Should we begin quilting again!!???