Police abuse

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    Aug 23, 2009 4:30 AM GMT
    Ever wonder how cops act when they don't realize they are being taped? Watch this video.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_wjrnUn_nY&feature=related

    I'll like to see someone try to justify the actions/threats of this cop.
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    Aug 23, 2009 5:46 AM GMT
    I'd like to see the raw footage.
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    Aug 23, 2009 2:04 PM GMT
    There are many good police officers out there; however, it seems that a few power crazed megalomaniacal jerks are attracted to the job as well.
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    Aug 23, 2009 2:15 PM GMT
    Pianist saidThere are many good police officers out there; however, it seems that a few power crazed megalomaniacal jerks are attracted to the job as well.

    The police, and indeed many emergency responders like firefighters and EMTs, are heroes in my book. They risk their lives for us, and the physical & emotional stresses on them are enormous. I was indirectly involved with civilian law enforcement with the US Army Military Police for 21 years, so I have a predisposition for admiration & respect.

    At the same, that admiration quickly turns to disgust for those who violate their trust. Such a betrayal undermines every person in law enforcement, though I understand how the initial reaction is to protect your own when questions arise about conduct & performance. I tend to give the police officer the benefit of the doubt at first, as the facts are checked.

    But gawd help the one who is clearly over the line. Police are rightfully given great authority; with it comes great responsibility.
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    Aug 23, 2009 3:01 PM GMT
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqogMvEdnRE&feature=related

    http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0509/626636.html

    http://carlosmiller.com/2009/07/21/oklahoma-emt-sues-lying-cop/

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    Aug 23, 2009 3:07 PM GMT
    The cop lost it and bit right into this kids game he is playing with the police. He has the camera in there to bait the police into situations like this, but that doesn't excuse the cop for the crap he did or said.

    But, this story shows a little more of the attitude of the kid in the video (and another video of his):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3GlEe1kCHA

    Unedited video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B_yw1iYKpA

    The OP video makes it sound like the cop just goes off on this punk for no reason. Which isn't a good "news" story, but what do you expect from the media. And as I said, it doesn't excuse what the cop said or did, just goes to show that things with this kid aren't unprovoked.

    It is obvious the cop was having a really bad day, because it didn't take him long to get pissed off at this kid. Saying all the crap was the cops way of one upping the kid in the pissing contest. To show him he isn't as smart as he thought he was. Not good and not smart and not right. I guess this cop was fired and rightly so.
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    Aug 23, 2009 3:19 PM GMT
    it's called 'contempt of cop' and it's a very serious offense...




    in the cop's mind.
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    Aug 23, 2009 6:26 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa said
    Pianist saidThere are many good police officers out there; however, it seems that a few power crazed megalomaniacal jerks are attracted to the job as well.

    The police, and indeed many emergency responders like firefighters and EMTs, are heroes in my book. They risk their lives for us, and the physical & emotional stresses on them are enormous. I was indirectly involved with civilian law enforcement with the US Army Military Police for 21 years, so I have a predisposition for admiration & respect.

    At the same, that admiration quickly turns to disgust for those who violate their trust. Such a betrayal undermines every person in law enforcement, though I understand how the initial reaction is to protect your own when questions arise about conduct & performance. I tend to give the police officer the benefit of the doubt at first, as the facts are checked.

    But gawd help the one who is clearly over the line. Police are rightfully given great authority; with it comes great responsibility.


    Actually my view of most police officers is so low that if I were on a jury a cop's word means almost nothing to me. There would have to be more evidence besides a cop's word for me to find someone guilty. It is sad that we can not trust the word of those paid to protect and serve us. This is because all to often what they protect and serve is their own ego. I've personally know people wanting to be cops so "they can beat people" that is their own words.
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    Aug 23, 2009 6:39 PM GMT
    The cop was intimidating and made threats, but didn't act on any of them. He just made threats and it sounds as though he was peeved because the kid is arrogant and wouldn't show his license. I'd like to wonder when the tape started....before or after the kid irritated the cop; he had the cam set to bust a cop, just like last time when he peeved some officer. Say what you will about cops, but they do have authority and when it is challenged, why shouldn't they get angry? That's a human emotion. It's ok for civilians to be as irate and nasty as they like, but god forbid the cop be human. Get real op, I'd be more concerned with this cop's bite not his bark and what did he do....absolutely nothing. Put on the uniform, put up with the obstinacy, the disrespect, the contempt every night, and then judge.
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    Aug 23, 2009 6:40 PM GMT
    phemt saidActually my view of most police officers is so low that if I were on a jury a cop's word means almost nothing to me.

    Actually I would be reluctant to accept the word of anyone from Chicago in a court of law, like yourself. Aren't you all gangsters? LOL!
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    Aug 23, 2009 6:48 PM GMT
    GuiltyGear saidThe cop was intimidating and made threats, but didn't act on any of them. He just made threats and it sounds as though he was peeved because the kid is arrogant and wouldn't show his license. I'd like to wonder when the tape started....before or after the kid irritated the cop; he had the cam set to bust a cop, just like last time when he peeved some officer. Say what you will about cops, but they do have authority and when it is challenged, why shouldn't they get angry? That's a human emotion. It's ok for civilians to be as irate and nasty as they like, but god forbid the cop be human. Get real op, I'd be more concerned with this cop's bite not his bark and what did he do....absolutely nothing. Put on the uniform, put up with the obstinacy, the disrespect, the contempt every night, and then judge.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B_yw1iYKpA

    There's the whole vid of the encounter. The kid has an attitude, and the cop is very quick to return the attitude. But if you watch the links in the other vid I posted above from CNN also, you see another vid of the way he talks to the cops. He clearly does this looking to find the cop that he found here.
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    Aug 23, 2009 6:58 PM GMT
    Hmmm123 saidThe cop lost it and bit right into this kids game he is playing with the police. He has the camera in there to bait the police into situations like this, but that doesn't excuse the cop for the crap he did or said.

    But, this story shows a little more of the attitude of the kid in the video (and another video of his):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3GlEe1kCHA

    Unedited video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B_yw1iYKpA

    The OP video makes it sound like the cop just goes off on this punk for no reason. Which isn't a good "news" story, but what do you expect from the media. And as I said, it doesn't excuse what the cop said or did, just goes to show that things with this kid aren't unprovoked.

    It is obvious the cop was having a really bad day, because it didn't take him long to get pissed off at this kid. Saying all the crap was the cops way of one upping the kid in the pissing contest. To show him he isn't as smart as he thought he was. Not good and not smart and not right. I guess this cop was fired and rightly so.


    You so much want to jusity the cop don't you "...just goes to show that things with this kid aren't unprovoked" and talking about "baiting". You know what cops bait people all the time. A lot of people get "baited" on their jobs all the time with sercet shoppers. The reason for these baits is to see how people respond for real.
    I had a similar experience as this kid did with a cop: a cop threatened to make up charges against me. Luckly (like the cop in the video) he was just making the threats to feed his ego. Others are not as lucky because cops plant drugs on people or make up other charges.
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    Aug 23, 2009 7:15 PM GMT
    GuiltyGear saidThe cop was intimidating and made threats, but didn't act on any of them. He just made threats and it sounds as though he was peeved because the kid is arrogant and wouldn't show his license. I'd like to wonder when the tape started....before or after the kid irritated the cop; he had the cam set to bust a cop, just like last time when he peeved some officer. Say what you will about cops, but they do have authority and when it is challenged, why shouldn't they get angry? That's a human emotion. It's ok for civilians to be as irate and nasty as they like, but god forbid the cop be human. Get real op, I'd be more concerned with this cop's bite not his bark and what did he do....absolutely nothing. Put on the uniform, put up with the obstinacy, the disrespect, the contempt every night, and then judge.


    A civilian have no power over cops; it is the cops that have power over civilians. That is the difference and why cops are held to a different standard in "making threats". The cops didn't just call the kid a punk or other names - the cop was using his position as a cop to makes threats. Yes cops have to put up with people's bad attitudes, but unless those attitudes are a direct threat to the officer's physical being (and not just his ego) or to the greater public the cops has to put up with it: it is part of the job! Just as a trash man has to put up with bad smelling trash as part of the job, a cop also has to put up with the sometimes smelly attuitude of civilians.
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    Aug 23, 2009 7:17 PM GMT
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    Hmmm123 saidThe cop lost it and bit right into this kids game he is playing with the police. He has the camera in there to bait the police into situations like this, but that doesn't excuse the cop for the crap he did or said.

    But, this story shows a little more of the attitude of the kid in the video (and another video of his):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3GlEe1kCHA

    Unedited video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B_yw1iYKpA

    The OP video makes it sound like the cop just goes off on this punk for no reason. Which isn't a good "news" story, but what do you expect from the media. And as I said, it doesn't excuse what the cop said or did, just goes to show that things with this kid aren't unprovoked.

    It is obvious the cop was having a really bad day, because it didn't take him long to get pissed off at this kid. Saying all the crap was the cops way of one upping the kid in the pissing contest. To show him he isn't as smart as he thought he was. Not good and not smart and not right. I guess this cop was fired and rightly so.


    You so much want to jusity the cop don't you "...just goes to show that things with this kid aren't unprovoked" and talking about "baiting". You know what cops bait people all the time. A lot of people get "baited" on their jobs all the time with sercet shoppers. The reason for these baits is to see how people respond for real.
    I had a similar experience as this kid did with a cop: a cop threatened to make up charges against me. Luckly (like the cop in the video) he was just making the threats to feed his ego. Others are not as lucky because cops plant drugs on people or make up other charges.


    Where did I justify the cop? I think I was clear the cop was out of line. I am just saying that the kid isn't some innocent guy driving along who got the wrath of this cop. He provoked it. And as I said, it doesn't excuse the cops reaction but it's clear this kid was looking and trying to get the reaction he did.

    I'm used to the cop-hating threads on here at this point. But if you are going to be objective, then you have to admit that the kid did what he could to push the cops buttons... and if you watch the other CNN video, it's clear he does this with every encounter with the police to try to get the same response on video.
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    Aug 23, 2009 7:20 PM GMT

    Phemt, anyone can get under anyone's skin and this kid knows it.
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    Aug 23, 2009 7:22 PM GMT
    GuiltyGear saidThe cop was intimidating and made threats, but didn't act on any of them. He just made threats and it sounds as though he was peeved because the kid is arrogant and wouldn't show his license. I'd like to wonder when the tape started....before or after the kid irritated the cop; he had the cam set to bust a cop, just like last time when he peeved some officer. Say what you will about cops, but they do have authority and when it is challenged, why shouldn't they get angry? That's a human emotion. It's ok for civilians to be as irate and nasty as they like, but god forbid the cop be human. Get real op, I'd be more concerned with this cop's bite not his bark and what did he do....absolutely nothing. Put on the uniform, put up with the obstinacy, the disrespect, the contempt every night, and then judge.


    This is something we do not know: Did the cop not follow thru on those threats because he feared that a tape recording was at a different location outside of the car? The cop threatened to rip out the camera, but maybe he realized there could had been a tape recording of the event at another location? What would the cop had done if there wasn't the camera there? Oh and btw the guy did use his turn single turning into the lot.
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    Aug 23, 2009 7:22 PM GMT
    phemt said I had a similar experience as this kid did with a cop: a cop threatened to make up charges against me. Luckly (like the cop in the video) he was just making the threats to feed his ego. Others are not as lucky because cops plant drugs on people or make up other charges.

    When I was 18 I took a Sunday evening ride alone in my car. I saw a cop car appear, behind me in the distance, with his single "bubble gum" red light on the roof, but not lit.

    He quickly caught up with me, and started to tail-gate me so closely I couldn't see his front grill in my rearview mirror. This went on for over a mile, and I watched my speedometer like a hawk, keeping below the 30-MPH limit and driving as carefully as I could.

    Finally his single roof light when on, and I pulled over. He told me I was driving over 45 in a 30 zone, which was totally false. He also said I'd been driving recklessly, for which I could have my license seized. That was also a lie.

    Finally, he began to accuse me of having just returned across the New Jersey border from New York, where I could legally drink at 18, and that I was drunk. I said I had not, which was likewise true.

    Finally he agreed to write me a ticket for "only" going 40 in a 30 zone, a fine of about $40 USD then. That was completely false. But what could I do? His word against mine, so next week I paid it, without telling my parents, with whom I lived.

    Are some cops dishonest? Absolutely! Are ALL cops dishonest? Of course not. This is why I think the honest ones are heroes, and the dishonest ones dog shit.

    If I sit on a jury, I require proofs. And if the public has some doubts about the veracity of police officers, the cops have no one to blame but themselves, and their unions, for blindly defending the bad cops along with the good cops.
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    Aug 23, 2009 7:31 PM GMT
    Hmmm123 said He clearly does this looking to find the cop that he found here.


    You know, what the cops says makes sense. Even our teachers told us to be polite when questioned by cops because this person has a gun and the title of honorable officer....even if he isn't. He can say anything happened, especially if you aren't breathing enough to rebutt it.

    This kid, I bet he thinks he is pretty slick. He's been targeting people with guns and playing games with em? LOL, I wouldn't trade places with him. It reminds me of this...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVWP2k9YrQA
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    Aug 23, 2009 7:33 PM GMT
    hmm this happens alllll the time.
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    Aug 23, 2009 7:37 PM GMT
    This is terrible, wut if everyone behaved that way on their jobicon_eek.gif
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    Aug 23, 2009 7:38 PM GMT
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    Phemt, anyone can get under anyone's skin and this kid knows it.


    Noticed how you delated "we should respect cops because they have guns" quick icon_wink.gif
    I am sure people respected the German S.S because they had guns. We should respect cops not because they are guys with guns, but because they provide a service to society. I am suspect of cops, but I realize not ALL cops are bad. I do think, however, that we are finding out how wide spread actual police abuse is due to the video taping of police actions. It is often no longer "your word against the cop" thanks to video. Sometimes the video actually shows the cop was right. Sometimes people make up charges against cops. In an another thread I defended a cop's action in disarming an old lady with a knife. It is just scary to see how often police abuse occurs and how cops try to cover for each other "blue brotherhood". A cop should NEVER use this position to protect his ego. The cop's job is to serve and protect the public. My respect for cops will be related to the degree they acutally serve and protect the public and not their personal EGO.

    Edit: seems you did keep the "guns" response - maybe you were editing it when I tried to find it again to quote
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    Aug 23, 2009 7:45 PM GMT

    Actually, you should and it got deleted by mistake. If someone thinks a guy is a gangsta and packing heat, they cross the street and keep their mouth shut, but they loud mouth police officers...make sense? Oh, they can't hurt you....yes they can, just gotta be stealthy about it, which they've been taught stealth. icon_eek.gif

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    Aug 23, 2009 7:47 PM GMT
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    Actually, you should and it got deleted by mistake. If someone thinks a guy is a gangsta and packing heat, they cross the street and keep their mouth shut, but they loud mouth police officers...make sense? Oh, they can't hurt you....yes they can, just gotta be stealthy about it, which they've been taught stealth. icon_eek.gif



    Interesting that you compare cops to gangsta. Is that really how you view cops ?
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    Aug 23, 2009 7:53 PM GMT

    Did you just compare police officers to nazis. Sir, respect is mutual, even a five year old knows to treat others the way they them self want to be treated. I just think disrespecting a person with a gun who is sworn in not to hurt you isn't smart. Your contagious contempt might make them forget.
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    Aug 23, 2009 7:57 PM GMT
    I think it wasn't until I was in my early 30s, already an Army Major, that my father told me the truth about my home town when I was growing up. I think I was reminiscing with him about my sometimes "frisky" driving as a kid, and he told me why I was never stopped, at least within my home town.

    My car's license plate (custom) was on a list at the police desk, and in the patrol cars, along with my name. So was my motorcycle. They were not to be touched, unless some very serious violation occurred.

    I was shocked; I never had a clue. And my father said that was deliberate, so I wouldn't abuse the special privilege I had. Our next door neighbor was the police commissioner, later the mayor, and both my parents held even higher elective office.

    Now I am ashamed about such special treatment, but there is no doubt it still exists. Even in the US, these things happen. I personally experienced them, and I'm not sure they can ever be eradicated. But activist citizens and an aggressive media can work to limit them, if we don't become complacent & condoning Republicans.