Senator Teddy Kennedy - RIP - America has lost another great man. Significant?

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    Aug 26, 2009 11:50 AM GMT
    Sen. Kennedy lived a storied American life with tremendous accomplishments as the Liberal Lion for 46 years in the US Senate. His mark on civil rights was unprecedented. This has caused me to pause and reflect on the many larger-than-life individuals who died this summer. Do you think there is any significance to all these amazing, talented individuals passing on? What do you think will be the impact of Sen. Ted Kennedy's passing on politics in this country?
  • HndsmKansan

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    Aug 26, 2009 12:09 PM GMT
    Indeed a sad day for this country...... no significance, sometimes groups of individuals pass. I think its very sad that his sister passed away such a short time ago and now him. But a good day for all of us to remember the importance of those who serve and have moved this country forward.
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    Aug 26, 2009 12:55 PM GMT
    Significant in that the healthcare bipartisan heir apparent has yet to rise from the ashes.
  • Koaa2

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    Aug 26, 2009 1:24 PM GMT
    I think he did, and tried to do, a lot for the average person, when he really didn't have to.
  • mustangd

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    Aug 26, 2009 1:51 PM GMT
    its interesting when the country loses someone like Ted Kennedy, even taking into consideration his failures. you have the oppurtunity to reflect on how a person like he influenced the country. now, take it one step further. imagine what MIGHT have been, had Jack, Bobby, and Martin Luther King, not be taken from us...

    rest in peace Ted, you're with your parents and family passed now, and taken as a whole, the nation has suffered another loss...
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    Aug 26, 2009 2:20 PM GMT
    Koaa2 saidI think he did, and tried to do, a lot for the average person, when he really didn't have to.


    I don't think I understand the "when he really didn't have to" part of your comment. He, as all elected officials, have to do as much for the people - all people - as possible. I mean, it is what they're elected to do. Whether or not they do it once elected is a different matter, altogether.

    The world loses great men and women every day. Is this significant? I don't know. Death happens. Why be sad about it?

    Yes, Ted's passing made me take pause, but news of his passing was hardly a surprise. The man was suffering from terminal cancer. He lived a long, rich life, which is something not many in this world will ever be able to do.

    The Kennedy family was an interesting bunch, but the U.S. govt. has needed a change for a very long time. Perhaps this will be the final catalyst big govt. has needed to move forward? err, probably not, but it's good to have some hope.
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    Aug 26, 2009 2:38 PM GMT
    Like the deaths of many other generational figures, it marks the transition to a new generation .. the passing of a baton.
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    Aug 26, 2009 2:41 PM GMT
    I think whether or not you agreed with Ted Kennedy politically, that you have to respect that he stood for what he believed in and didn't back down for the sake of getting votes or winning favors as the new breed seems to do in Washington.

    The overarching problem we have in this country is the classless, partisan, name-calling politics usually done by a bunch of rank-ameteurs who don't know or worse, care WHAT they stand for as long as it's not "Republican" or "Democrat". We have indeed ceased being Americans and now look for reasons to denigrate one another. Don't get me wrong, it's great to have lively and even heated political debate, but it's business - not personal.

    Politically, I am a conservative, not a Republican. However, I do support and defend the right of my liberal friends to believe as they will and speak their minds accordingly whether or not I agree with them. I respect those who have beliefs different than mine and refuse to view them as anything less than human. I'm glad not everyone thinks the way I do because nobody is right all the time.

    As a conservative and as an American I am going to miss Ted Kennedy. I didn't agree with a single thing he stood for, but I deeply respect that he stood his ground and did so fiercely. I was once asked "If you could have drinks with anybody and go out for a night on the town, who would you choose"? Most everyone else answered the typical "Cher or Madonna" and when it came to me I said "Ted Kennedy and Bill Clinton because I'd want to have a good time."

    And perhaps that's just the point. Guys like Ted Kennedy knew when to turn on the afterburners politically and when to drop it and have fun and they knew HOW to have fun. Maybe we should try to emulate that example as opposed to the mindless fighting brought on by idiots like Karl Rove and David Axelrod. When you get down to it, life is way too short.
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    Aug 26, 2009 4:24 PM GMT
    BrianOSU2000 saidI think whether or not you agreed with Ted Kennedy politically, that you have to respect that he stood for what he believed in and didn't back down for the sake of getting votes or winning favors as the new breed seems to do in Washington.


    Well said. I think most politicians regardless of their political views had deep respect for Ted Kennedy. I know I did even when I was much more conservative in my own views.

    He was a master politician. Anyone who managed to dodge the bullet of Chappaquiddick and still maintain the power base he held for 46 years in the Senate of one the most powerful countries of the world is nothing short of an extraordinary individual.

    He knew when to hold his ground firmly and at the perfect time compromise his position to accomplish the greater good. I think this part of his legacy is one that other modern day politicians can only aspire to.

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    Aug 26, 2009 5:16 PM GMT
    Senator Teddy Kennedy - RIP - America has lost another great man. Significant?

    My admiration for Kennedy is stated elsewhere in another thread. Let me offer a different slant on this.

    As for significance, ideally there should be little in the loss of a great man, of any great man, in the business of a great nation. For this reason:

    In the Army I was taught that no one can be indispensable. It had to be that way, because once you were indispensable then the organization & mission were vulnerable, liable to an Achilles heel situation, success tied to this 1 individual. And all of us might be killed at any moment, die from many unexpected causes, like maybe a brain tumor.

    So that we practiced redundancy, if anyone died or was wounded we still moved forward, we didn't stop. Our plans continued, our mission did not fail.

    There is talk now that health care reform may fail without Kennedy. Certainly his vote will be missed, and his elected successor will not be seated for nearly 6 months under state law. So that the significance of this in the short term may be very great, because of politics. In the Army we would have replaced a fallen soldier ASAP. Here it cannot be.

    I'm sure Republicans are privately celebrating this everywhere, as proven by their disgraceful conduct in the health care debate to date. Oh, they will publicly protest their grief at Kennedy's death, but can anyone believe it?

    No, this is the opening they've been waiting for. As soon as Kennedy is laid to rest, and the media coverage dies down, watch what they do. I promise you. That is the significance of this.
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    Aug 26, 2009 7:32 PM GMT
    RIP Mary Jo Kopechne.
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    Aug 26, 2009 7:53 PM GMT
    Disc0Mat1979 saidRIP Mary Jo Kopechne.


    You didn't give a shit about her then and you don't now. You just want to be cool Mr. Contrarian.

    Not hot, and not even a good try.
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    Aug 26, 2009 8:00 PM GMT
    A sad day indeed. Someone that dedicated so much of his life to fervently advocating for others health and well-being leaves behind a great legacy. If I lived in Massachusetts he would have had my vote, but from where I sit in California, he has my respect and admiration.
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    Aug 26, 2009 8:03 PM GMT
    How can you not feel sad for her and the tragic way she died? I don't care if he was a conservative or democrat, he put his career first before trying to help her. He was a politician before a human being. I can't respect anyone like that, living or dead.
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    Aug 26, 2009 8:10 PM GMT
    Disc0Mat1979 saidRIP Mary Jo Kopechne.


    Well said thank you! He might have achieved some great things (?), but I get the impression he had no respect for women,

    Poor Mary Jo, oh and Joan too. Unforgivable way to behave...
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    Aug 26, 2009 8:11 PM GMT
    Disc0Mat1979 saidHow can you not feel sad for her and the tragic way she died? I don't care if he was a conservative or democrat, he put his career first before trying to help her. He was a politician before a human being. I can't respect anyone like that, living or dead.


    I agree 100%. I respect Ted for standing up for his beliefs and the causes that were important to him. But as a person, I have have no respect for the man. He did not help that women at Chappaquiddick and left her for dead. He was a drunk and a womanizer.
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    Aug 26, 2009 8:42 PM GMT
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    Disc0Mat1979 saidHow can you not feel sad for her and the tragic way she died? I don't care if he was a conservative or democrat, he put his career first before trying to help her. He was a politician before a human being. I can't respect anyone like that, living or dead.


    I agree 100%. I respect Ted for standing up for his beliefs and the causes that were important to him. But as a person, I have have no respect for the man. He did not help that women at Chappaquiddick and left her for dead. He was a drunk and a womanizer.


    Just a point of clarification to my previous comment on Chappaquiddick - we have no way of knowing Ted's true remorse over the incident. We do know that the consequence of this action was the inability to effectively run for President and possibly win the Presidency itself. I don't think any of us could respect this man for those actions.

    I just think it is an interesting observation of the human condition - the old Achilles heel - that yes his fatal flaws were the actions at Chappaquiddick, his drinking and womanizing. Yet, the strength of the man was found in overcoming this fatal flaw and rising above the past. In a weird way it brings a level of insight to overcome my own Achilles heel. Nobody can go back and start a new beginning, but anyone can start today and make a new ending.
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    Aug 26, 2009 8:49 PM GMT
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    Disc0Mat1979 saidRIP Mary Jo Kopechne.


    You didn't give a shit about her then and you don't now. You just want to be cool Mr. Contrarian.

    Not hot, and not even a good try.


    Couldn't have said it better myself. This great American spent his entire life achieving overwhelming, absolute redemption for a youth misspent, and today of all days, this is all anyone on the other side can think of to say...
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    Aug 26, 2009 9:01 PM GMT
    LIke i said, bro, i don't care what party he was a part of. he put his career and rep before saving this woman's life. What really sickens me is that he got away with it, just like that brat got away with everything in his life prior to that night. That womanizer was rich, white, and a kennedy who lived in the state of Mass. That pretty much made him a God that could do no wrong. Just imagine if any average person did that? There's no way in hell any of us would get away with that. Now all of the media, even Fox news, is jumping on the bandwaggon and mourning the death of this murderer.
  • training_guy

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    Aug 26, 2009 9:09 PM GMT
    Excactly, the fact that he never reported the incident until the next morning was just selfish & unforgivable.

    Its been said that Mary Jo was alive for a least 2 hours following the accident. Fancy being her parents and knowing that....icon_cry.gif
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    Aug 26, 2009 9:19 PM GMT
    gym_dude saidExcactly, the fact that he never reported the incident until the next morning was just selfish & unforgivable.

    Its been said that Mary Jo was alive for a least 2 hours following the accident. Fancy being her parents and knowing that....icon_cry.gif


    On a suspended license, no less.
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    Aug 26, 2009 9:20 PM GMT
    Disc0Mat1979 saidLIke i said, bro, i don't care what party he was a part of...

    Oh, really? You mean to say you're not a Republican right-wing sympathizer, who in a previous RJ post wrote this reply to another post?

    [Other post] "All hate crime legislation is facist. You can't criminalize thought in a free society. Not to worry though, people are going to have enough of the democrats and Obama's marxist bullshit soon enough."


    [DiscOMat1979] "I LOVE YOU! Finally, someone else on here who isn't completely insane.
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    The link to that thread is here:

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/483937/

    I think we have your number, Mr. "I don't care what party he was a part of"...
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    Aug 26, 2009 9:25 PM GMT
    I see my question was this the car over the peer Kennedy, and I see it was. Amazing how many people seem to be willing to over look this incident, where he put his own career and reputation before the life of another; Just as well he was not a Republican, or he would never of gotten away with it.

    His family also made it's fortune in bootlegging, another illegal activity.

    But I'm certainly not going to gloat over his death, but the family may be thing now his about to meet his make and pay his dews.
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    Aug 26, 2009 9:38 PM GMT
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    Disc0Mat1979 saidLIke i said, bro, i don't care what party he was a part of...

    Oh, really? You mean to say you're not a Republican right-wing sympathizer, who in a previous RJ post wrote this reply to another post?

    [Other post] "All hate crime legislation is facist. You can't criminalize thought in a free society. Not to worry though, people are going to have enough of the democrats and Obama's marxist bullshit soon enough."


    [DiscOMat1979] "I LOVE YOU! Finally, someone else on here who isn't completely insane.
    "

    The link to that thread is here:

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/483937/

    I think we have your number, Mr. "I don't care what party he was a part of"...


    I don't believe in hate crimes. What the heck does that have to do with this? If you're going to dig up something from my past, can you at least make it relevant to the conversation?
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    Aug 26, 2009 9:39 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]Pattison_the_Great said[/ctte]His family also made it's fortune in bootlegging, another illegal activity.

    But I'm certainly not going to gloat over his death, but the family may be thing now his about to meet his make and pay his dews.[/quote]
    His family did make additional money in bootlegging, though his father was already a wealthy banker & financier. Speakeasies and violating Prohibition was a technical crime that cut across all social classes in the 1920s.

    But talk about paying his "dews" [sic] is indeed gloating.

    BTW, why do you play this "nom du jour" game here?