Health Care Insurance Industry Has Too Much Control Of Congress

  • metta

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    Aug 28, 2009 1:34 AM GMT



    Special Interest Money Means Longer Odds for Public Option

    http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/06/special-interest-money-means-longer.html

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    Health care industry contributes heavily to Blue Dogs
    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/74426.html
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    Aug 28, 2009 1:37 AM GMT
    Obama better damn well have that public option, and not cave in. I can't WAIT to write my last premium check to Kaiser Permanenter with "FUCK YOU" written across it.

    I want HMO's to completely fail.
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    Aug 28, 2009 5:21 AM GMT
    wrestlervic saidObama better damn well have that public option, and not cave in. I can't WAIT to write my last premium check to Kaiser Permanenter with "FUCK YOU" written across it.

    I want HMO's to completely fail.


    You have a HMO? Why would you ever consider having an HMO?
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    Aug 28, 2009 5:23 AM GMT
    the phrase "no shit Shurlock" pops into ma head
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    Aug 28, 2009 6:26 AM GMT
    I'm more curious about the pubic option. icon_lol.gif

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    Aug 28, 2009 10:44 AM GMT
    Maybe they could let the insurance compines reinvent themselves.
    Maybe they could merge and become huge monopolies in exchange
    for universal coverage. Howard County Maryland has a health plan
    for $50 a month? Maybe the states could provide coverage? Maybe
    for the insurance company to be licensed in the state. Maybe
    give people more control of what people need and to keep the
    costs lower.
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    Aug 28, 2009 11:41 AM GMT
    wrestlervic saidObama better damn well have that public option, and not cave in. I can't WAIT to write my last premium check to Kaiser Permanenter with "FUCK YOU" written across it.

    I want HMO's to completely fail.


    You do know that if you aren't poor you still have to pay a premium to the government even for the public option. I'm not even talking the taxes for subsidy, this is a premium on top of that. It's in the bill.

    Oh, and HMO's are pushed by the government by various legislation including the Health Maintenance Organization Act of 1973. Without government involvement, HMO's probably wouldn't exist.
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    Aug 28, 2009 11:42 AM GMT
    no kidding! ... They have been spending over a million dollars a day on lobbying against health care reform. Congress has been bought.

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    Aug 28, 2009 11:53 AM GMT
    I really don't get why people are so fearful of government control, and yet don't fear an industry that maximizes profit by ensuring as few people as possible get treatment ... and is willing to spend millions in ads and lobbying to protect that profit.

    I understand that my statement is a bit of a simplification of a very complex problem ... but I honestly don't understand how anyone can trust the messaging that the health insurance industry puts out to maintain a really fucked up status quo.
  • carew28

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    Aug 28, 2009 7:52 PM GMT
    I'd like to see single-payer national (universal) health insurance. If not that, then some kind of public option. My present weekly Blue Cross health insurance deduction is $61. This is more than federal and state taxes, and retirement, and medicare, combined. It leaves me with $190 weekly take-home pay to live on. My monthly rent, alone is $650, so it's hopeless to try to earn make a living, even though I'm working fulltime.

    Is there any website which lists which senators & congressmen support the president's plan, and which oppose it ?
  • JP85257

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    Aug 28, 2009 8:05 PM GMT
    wrestlervic saidObama better damn well have that public option, and not cave in. I can't WAIT to write my last premium check to Kaiser Permanenter with "FUCK YOU" written across it.

    I want HMO's to completely fail.


    You DO realize the HMO's are the product of Teddy "GLUG GLUG" Kennedy right?

    Do some research, bub.
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    Aug 28, 2009 8:17 PM GMT
    All I know is I pay $340 a month for a health-care system that I rarely use for that "just in case" protection. It literally has prevented me from getting things like new tires on my car, or going anywhere for a year.

    I am wondering with all of the people complaining about price, why don't Kaiser and Blue Cross and these insurance agencies step up to the plate and say "We will lower our prices by making ourselves more efficient"

    Why DOES it take government intervention for that. I'll tell you why, because you CANNOT TRUST PRIVATE INDUSTRY.

    I see the government's roll to protect us. It's funny how all of these idiots get up there and say they don't want the government touching anything, but still give 30% or more of their income to them in taxes. LET'S make our taxes go to something important.
  • JP85257

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    Aug 28, 2009 8:25 PM GMT
    I trust private industry more than I trust the governement.

    The government fucks up everything they touch.

    I'll keep my money, thanks.

    You want it.....Go buy it.

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    Aug 28, 2009 9:39 PM GMT
    JP85257 said
    wrestlervic saidObama better damn well have that public option, and not cave in. I can't WAIT to write my last premium check to Kaiser Permanenter with "FUCK YOU" written across it.

    I want HMO's to completely fail.


    You DO realize the HMO's are the product of Teddy "GLUG GLUG" Kennedy right?

    Do some research, bub.
    You DO realize that when the act passed in the early '70s, HMOs were not-for-profit enterprises, right?

    Sen. Kennedy in 1992, reacting to the shift to for-profit structure in HMOs ...

    “Your private sector role has unquestionably made the crisis worse. ... The message sent out by too many of your member companies is unmistakably clear: don’t insure anyone unless you think they won’t get sick. And if you make a mistake, do your best to walk away from it. Do all you can do to stop Congress from acting.”

    Nice job of cherry picking, bub.
  • JP85257

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    Aug 28, 2009 10:07 PM GMT
    I just dont enjoy paying for other people's shit.
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    Aug 28, 2009 10:27 PM GMT
    JP85257 saidI just dont enjoy paying for other people's shit.


    Yeah, cos you´re fine. Who gives a fuck about the vulnerable? It´s their fault they are poor and ill anyways. And they are probably fucking hispanics and illegal immigrants.
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    Aug 28, 2009 10:30 PM GMT
    JP85257 saidI just dont enjoy paying for other people's shit.


    Well, when you need police protection, pony up.

    When you need a fire truck, pony up.

    When you need a road, pony up.

    When you need a park, pony up.

    When you need a safer, cleaner, environment, pony up.

    When you need an education, pony up.

    When you need a book, pony up.

    When you need immunizations, pony up.

    When you're sick with cancer, pony up...or die..

    When you break an arm, give up the deed to your house.

    How you can be so short-sighted, mean-spirited, and selfish, baffles me.

    We have social structure all around us.

    There's some things you do in life because they are the right things. Some things, we pay forward. I help Logan because I think he's worthy. We don't walk away from the village. Yes, some folks are fat, smoke, are poor, are genetically-challenged, but, they aren't livestock. Decent people don't abandon, their frail, their sick, their old, their young, their poor. Didn't your momma' teach you anything?

    When you're sick, or broke, or both...you remember what you said. George Bush will help you...where you can wait in line at the CCA.
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    Aug 28, 2009 10:40 PM GMT
    The more I read Chucky on health care, the more I like and admire him

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    Aug 28, 2009 10:47 PM GMT
    I agree with chucky each and every time he references that people were not brought up right. Poor parenting and bad management are the ills of this country.

    We had to eat Lava soap if we swore.
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    Aug 28, 2009 11:19 PM GMT
    George Bush, as of 2007, had received $998,000 from the health care lobby.

    My mom had a bar of soap, too. Oh, the memories.
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    Aug 29, 2009 8:10 AM GMT
    Saw this quote today and thought it appropriate to the thread ...

    “The poor are hidden in our society. No one sees them anymore. They are a small minority in a rich country. Yet I am stunned by a lack of awareness of the rest of us toward them.” -- Robert F. Kennedy, 1968
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    Aug 29, 2009 8:22 AM GMT
    I was just reading about this lady that couldn't get her daughter insured because her 7 year-old daughter has kidney problems. It is ridiculous.The lady and her husband work, but cannot get insured.

    It isn't just the poor people that are suffering from the insurance companies, but middle class people that cannot get insurance for their kids because their kids have an illness or birth defects.
  • metta

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    Aug 30, 2009 5:55 AM GMT
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    in regards to the kidney issue, that is very common. Most people with kidney problems have medicare. According to my best friends nephrologist, the ones with medicare are able to get better care than the ones with HMO insurance. He has more trouble getting approval with private insurance with complicated cases.
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    Aug 30, 2009 6:07 AM GMT
    chuckystud saidhere's some things you do in life because they are the right things. Some things, we pay forward. I help Logan because I think he's worthy. We don't walk away from the village. Yes, some folks are fat, smoke, are poor, are genetically-challenged, but, they aren't livestock. Decent people don't abandon, their frail, their sick, their old, their young, their poor. Didn't your momma' teach you anything?

    When you're sick, or broke, or both...you remember what you said. George Bush will help you...where you can wait in line at the CCA.

    Sometimes, you just surprise people... in a good way.
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    Aug 30, 2009 7:18 AM GMT
    wrestlervic saidObama better damn well have that public option, and not cave in. I can't WAIT to write my last premium check to Kaiser Permanenter with "FUCK YOU" written across it.

    I want HMO's to completely fail.


    Me too.

    Can you imagine what it would be like when there is a public option? It'll be "Hello, bureaucrats!" And "Goodbye massive insurance company conglomerates!" (And getting screwed will lose that personal touch.)