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I am ashamed as an American over what Bush administration's policies has done to the Iraqi people, our U.S. troops, and our country in the past. I don't understand why some Americans think former President Bush is a hero? This so-called "Freeing Iraqis" and "spreading American democracy" is all Bush's lies. President Obama once said he will withdraw Iraq by end of 2008. I guess he change his mind to August 2010. Let see if President Obama is being honest.

According to this article - There can be no double standards in assessing war crimes. Hanging should also be the sentence for Bush and Blair, for:

1. causing the death of almost 700 thousands mostly civilian Iraqis during the last three years of US occupation, the destruction of all Iraqi civilian infrastructures,

2. the collapse of all civilian services,

3. triggering the departure into several hundred thousand Iraqis, fleeing Iraq and becoming refugees in foreign countries,

4. the bombings of various religious shrines,

5. the tearing of the Iraqi social fabric and the incitment of civil war,

6. the theft of Iraqi's oil national resources,

7. the looting of cultural treasures,

8. the massacre of civilians including women and children,

9. the use of illegal weapons, such as depleted uranium and phosphorus bombs, against whole cities and the burying thousands of victims in massive graveyards,

10. the nightly raids against civilian homes and the kidnapping of people including women and children,

11. the spreading of terror, insecurity and chaos within cities,

12. the imprisonment of thousands of innocent people in massive encampments, torturing, humiliating, raping, and murdering of innocent civilian prisoners, and many other war crimes.


Saddam is Hanged for His Crimes: Who will Hang Bush/Blair for Theirs?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=4294

He who has the power rules history
I agree that Bush should be extradited and sent to trial in The Hague
But it ain't going to happen

I agree, who has to file charges with the Hague?

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld & others in decision making should be sent to Hague. No national figures in any country of the world should be exempt from this.

Primitive white/evangelical supremacist Bush & his croonies are not divine figures. They are accountable for the wasted lives of people, Iraqis & Americans alltogether .

...Don't forget obama Too; he's perpetuating it . . .!

War is good business. Think of all the corporations that supplied the war effort with materials, services and goods. Jobs were created. Regular folks who are shareholders made money. And we insured our supply of cheap oil so that we can drive gas guzzlers and go on road trips, power our factories to produce more consumer goods(more jobs)........all the while polluting the earth and feeling very patriotic about protecting our freedoms and promoting democracy around the world.

So the blame shouldn't be exclusively directed at political leaders and the miltary/industrial complex. Each one of us shares the blame.

And BTW, the Iraqi people also share in the blame. Countless corrupt politicians and militia groups grew rich from billions of dollars of your taxpaying money......furthering the sunni/shite tensions that they love to murder each other over.

KissingPro saidWar is good business. Think of all the corporations that supplied the war effort with materials, services and goods. Jobs were created. Regular folks who are shareholders made money. And we insured our supply of cheap oil so that we can drive gas guzzlers and go on road trips........all the while feeling very patriotic about protecting our freedoms and promoting democracy around the world.

So the blame shouldn't be exclusively directed at political leaders and the miltary/industrial complex. Each one of us shares the blame.

Each one of the bloody morons who put that RWcN (Right Wing christian Nazi) into office, not once, but twice are the dolts who should be blamed.
Bloody fucking morons!
-Keith

Hear hear!!! Excellent post! I believe in Karma, it will come back on them both!!

The Hague isnt where war criminals go to be tried. It's where those that lost go to "trial" to get punished.

It is a political court, and serves political purposes.

Bush & Co., though they deserve to be there, and i DO mean the whole lot, (Condi, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, Negroponte, Wolfowitz, Perle, and the STILL current defense secretary, Robert Gates).... they will never face trial for their crimes.

Instead, the Obama administration has chosen to take war criminals into his administration, and protect the ones from the last administration.


Gotta love that "change"

GWB will never pay for his crimes. I only hope that our history books don't try to skew the truth. I hope our history books clearly indicate that GWB failed miserably as a President.

The only diff between Obama and Bush is that Obama is a good liar and can hide things better and uses his race and background to make himself look better

Jmuscle33 saidThe only diff between Obama and Bush is that Obama is a good liar and can hide things better and uses his race and background to make himself look better

And the only difference between you and someone who actually makes sense is that you're 19 and they're older.

Let's get real. Bush will never be prosecuted for anything, because of political forces. I don't care how guilty he may be, which I think is considerable, ain't gonna happen.

They can start finding bodies buried out in the Rose Garden, and the Republicans for one will never let any charges be brought. So this whole topic is wishful thinking, and a waste of time.

Bush and Blair should both be exiled and forced to live in Iraq. Hanging them would let them off way too easily.

....or send them to Guantanamo Bay for life?

Obama has stepped up forces in Afghanistan and there have been numerous reports from the associated press and the Afghany gov't that we have accidently killed innocent civilians....so my question is why would you NOT hold President Obama accountable for these deaths since they occurred under him as Command and Chief?

Well, yes, I think Obama will be adding his name to that list of war criminals as well.

Continuing the war and occupation of Iraq, which he is... EXPANDING the war in Afghanistan, and expanding it into Pakistan, which is like playing with matches around a stick of dynamite. Utter and absolute insanity, which threatens to inflame the entire region.

Oh, and Obama already has one coup under his belt... in Honduras.

So, yeah. By the looks of things... he will be in the same boat as Bush and Co.

Oh, and let's not forget about Africa. Nothing progressive or new or indicating "change" in US imperial policy in Africa.

No doubt in my mind that Bush & Co. was the worst Presidency, most corrupt, and most utterly criminal administration in US history, but given Obama's utter contempt for change in the right direction, and continuation and expansion of the WORST aspects of the bush administration - he may yet give Bush a run for his money.

I don't know where to begin... I can't believe you've actually made me want to defend Dubya.

MeOhMy saidNo doubt in my mind that Bush & Co. was the worst Presidency, most corrupt, and most utterly criminal administration in US history, but given Obama's utter contempt for change in the right direction, and continuation and expansion of the WORST aspects of the bush administration - he may yet give Bush a run for his money.

You know, I happen to agree with you about Bush, though not Obama (my critique of him is a wee bit more nuanced than yours), but there's something that rubs me the wrong way about your constant harping on the evils of the United States. I'm half Canadian myself, and even I wouldn't presume to criticize Canada with anything like the constant vitriol and hyperbole that comes from you.

I might botch this Chomsky quote, but bear with me...

"if the Geneva conventions were applied and not just talked about then every US president since world war two would be sentenced to death by hanging."

I think Blair is the real problem and the real force behind everything Bush did, especially on Iraq. Sorry no source, just an opinion.

Bush will never be tried as a War criminal. Why? Because he isn't one you idiots. Get a clue and quit your harping on one of the most tired and pathetic arguments ever seen. GWB did what he had to do to keep us safe. So he wasn't popular. People who have the balls to make the tough decisions rarely are.

sxydrkhair saidI am ashamed as an American over what Bush administration's policies has done to the Iraqi people, our U.S. troops, and our country in the past. I don't understand why some Americans think former President Bush is a hero? This so-called "Freeing Iraqis" and "spreading American democracy" is all Bush's lies. President Obama once said he will withdraw Iraq by end of 2008. I guess he change his mind to August 2010. Let see if President Obama is being honest.

According to this article - There can be no double standards in assessing war crimes. Hanging should also be the sentence for Bush and Blair, for:

1. causing the death of almost 700 thousands mostly civilian Iraqis during the last three years of US occupation, the destruction of all Iraqi civilian infrastructures,

2. the collapse of all civilian services,

3. triggering the departure into several hundred thousand Iraqis, fleeing Iraq and becoming refugees in foreign countries,

4. the bombings of various religious shrines,

5. the tearing of the Iraqi social fabric and the incitment of civil war,

6. the theft of Iraqi's oil national resources,

7. the looting of cultural treasures,

8. the massacre of civilians including women and children,

9. the use of illegal weapons, such as depleted uranium and phosphorus bombs, against whole cities and the burying thousands of victims in massive graveyards,

10. the nightly raids against civilian homes and the kidnapping of people including women and children,

11. the spreading of terror, insecurity and chaos within cities,

12. the imprisonment of thousands of innocent people in massive encampments, torturing, humiliating, raping, and murdering of innocent civilian prisoners, and many other war crimes.


Saddam is Hanged for His Crimes: Who will Hang Bush/Blair for Theirs?
http://w

ww.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=4294


Samer, to compare Bush to Hitler, or Saddam Hussein, is just silly. You really do need to cancel that subscription to the NATIONAL ENQUIRER

jprichva said

MeOhMy saidNo doubt in my mind that Bush & Co. was the worst Presidency, most corrupt, and most utterly criminal administration in US history, but given Obama's utter contempt for change in the right direction, and continuation and expansion of the WORST aspects of the bush administration - he may yet give Bush a run for his money.

You know, I happen to agree with you about Bush, though not Obama (my critique of him is a wee bit more nuanced than yours), but there's something that rubs me the wrong way about your constant harping on the evils of the United States. I'm half Canadian myself, and even I wouldn't presume to criticize Canada with anything like the constant vitriol and hyperbole that comes from you.

Well, I am very critical of Canada too, for our foreign and economic policy. We too, are in Afghanistan, played a part in Haiti, have helped fund covert "soft revolutions" in Central Asian countries, and are also using dangerous rhetoric against Iran.

The fact of the matter is that the US is the empire. It is the global hegemon, and as such, it sets the trends that other nations follow.

And i don't see hyperbole in my statement. Obama HAS continued the worst aspects of the Bush administration.

Far from ending torture, he has voted to allow rendition flights to continue, has intervened in court to protect the criminals of the Bush administration from prosecution, he personally voted for, as a Senator, the Military Commissions Act, which legalizes torture of foreign AND US citizens, and has not sent any signal of repealing that act. And with his proposal for "preventive detention" which would allow the government to imprison, indefinitely (as in, forever), without trial, any person SUSPECTED of a major crime - takes the police state totally illegal measures of Bush policy a leap forward.

His economic team is there to save the banks - corporate socialists - in which they privatize profits and socialize risk, through things like the TARP program, and have taken the US "stimulus-bailout bubble" to a potential debt of $23.7 trillion dollars, which spells nothing but disaster.

in foreign policy, Obama has already had his first coup in Honduras, has sought to publicly maintain the US presence in Iraq for a long time, while the Pentagon is under the assumption that they will be there for 10 to 15 years. They have expanded the Afghan war, a total disaster, totally "unwinnable" and decided to EXPAND that war into Pakistan, a powder keg waiting to blow. The administration has strengthened AFRICOM, the US military command in Africa, which was designed to expand the US military presence in Africa with the aim of securing African resources for western corporations, and has done nothing to stem the conflict in Somalia, which was a war started by the Bush administration in 2007, and has done NOTHING to end the western plundering of the Democratic Republic of Congo, which was a war orchestrated by Rwandan and Ugandan paramilitaries trained and funded and supported by the US, has caused a war that has lasted over a decade and resulted in between 5-10 million deaths of Congolese civilians, which apparently OKAY so long as western corporations are plundering the resources.

And FYI, Canadian corporations are plundering the country too. One of the biggest benefactors is Barrick Gold Corporation, a canadian company with our former PM Brian Mulroney on its board, sitting beside Vernon Jordan, a prominent American businessman, who basically is responsible for elevating Bill Clinton to the Presidency, and George HW Bush was also a former adviser to Barrick.

Excuse my "vitriol" and "hyperbole" if i see something wrong with continuing torture, elevating the police state, expanding foreign wars, orchestrating coups, financially screwing the American people for the benefit of the big banks, profiting off of the deaths of millions of people and all the while being praised for it for the "change" one has brought to the American presidency.

I do not dislike the American people, i actually tend to rather like them, by and large. But i do see the American establishment as being totally corrupt, morally vacant, and ethically abysmal. They are war-mongers, imperialists, and serve the interests of Wall Street. It's an Empire. 'nuff said.

MeOhMy said And i don't see hyperbole in my statement.
Far from ending torture, he has voted to allow rendition flights to continue, has intervened in court to protect the criminals of the Bush administration from prosecution, he personally voted for, as a Senator, the Military Commissions Act, which legalizes torture of foreign AND US citizens, and has not sent any signal of repealing that act. And with his proposal for "preventive detention" which would allow the government to imprison, indefinitely (as in, forever), without trial, any person SUSPECTED of a major crime - takes the police state totally illegal measures of Bush policy a leap forward.

No argument. This is just disgusting.

His economic team is there to save the banks - corporate socialists - in which they privatize profits and socialize risk, through things like the TARP program, and have taken the US "stimulus-bailout bubble" to a potential debt of $23.7 trillion dollars, which spells nothing but disaster.

Krugman points out that this is hardly a disastrous debt level. Countries like Italy have run GDP ratios of 118% in the recent past without bankrupting their countries. It is possible that all combined debt will reach (according to him) 90%....high, but not disaster. Note hyperbole---disaster. And the TARP program was not Obama's. It was Bush's.

In foreign policy, Obama has already had his first coup in Honduras

I have seen or read exactly zero evidence that the US had a hand in the Honduras coup.

has sought to publicly maintain the US presence in Iraq for a long time, while the Pentagon is under the assumption that they will be there for 10 to 15 years.

On the contrary, the plans are in place to remove US troops entirely in 2010.

They have expanded the Afghan war, a total disaster, totally "unwinnable" and decided to EXPAND that war into Pakistan, a powder keg waiting to blow/

I don't like this much either, but the administration faces a number of choices, none of them pleasant. A Taliban takeover of a nuclear Pakistan is unthinkable. It isn't even worth speculating about.

The administration has strengthened AFRICOM, the US military command in Africa, which was designed to expand the US military presence in Africa with the aim of securing African resources for western corporations

More conspiracy shit. No one surpasses me in the critique of capitalism, but this is just unsourced---yes---hyperbole.

has done NOTHING to end the western plundering of the Democratic Republic of Congo, which was a war orchestrated by Rwandan and Ugandan paramilitaries trained and funded and supported by the US

Again, you cannot treat idle internet rumors as fact. Show me where someone has written that the US "orchestrated" the Congolese troubles. And where it was for the benefit of western corporations.

And FYI, Canadian corporations are plundering the country too. One of the biggest benefactors is Barrick Gold Corporation, a canadian company with our former PM Brian Mulroney on its board, sitting beside Vernon Jordan, a prominent American businessman, who basically is responsible for elevating Bill Clinton to the Presidency, and George HW Bush was also a former adviser to Barrick.

I know Barrick well; I traded gold futures not long ago (and may soon be doing it again). To credit Vernon Jordan with being responsible for elevating Bill Clinton to the Presidency is laughable. He had a hand in it. So did a lot of people. This is not just hyperbole, it's the kind of silly "analysis" that comes from living outside the country and completely misunderstanding how people are nominated and elected here. This is what appalls me so much about your rants. You don't even know what you don't know, but that doesn't stop you from these blithe pronouncements. As someone once noted, just because you say something with authority doesn't make it true.