Still Hungry

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    Aug 29, 2009 2:53 PM GMT
    6 large egg whites with low fat cheddar and an 8 ounce orange and less than 2 hours later I am ravenous.
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    Aug 29, 2009 5:00 PM GMT
    yes because you are starving yourself. You ate three hundred calories, unless you plan to eat that ten times a day for a grand total of 3000 calories, you will just end up in the same place you have always been, binging at some point. If you are eatting an amount that forces you to eat 10 times a day you should be ravenous after 2 hours. In order to eat 10 times a day eatting less often than every 2 hours will make you be awake for more than 24 hours to get your nuitritional needs. You can't go from eatting 6-7K calories a day to 1500 calories a day and expect not to be ravenous.
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    Aug 29, 2009 5:23 PM GMT
    OnTheWayToMe said6 large egg whites with low fat cheddar and an 8 ounce orange and less than 2 hours later I am ravenous.


    I don't know how your physiology responds, but I would be sated for hours with that meal, provided there was enough fat along with all that protein and I reduced or eliminated the juice.
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    Aug 29, 2009 5:30 PM GMT
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    OnTheWayToMe said6 large egg whites with low fat cheddar and an 8 ounce orange and less than 2 hours later I am ravenous.


    I don't know how your physiology responds, but I would be sated for hours with that meal, provided there was enough fat along with all that protein and I reduced or eliminated the juice.


    It wasn't juice. It was a whole orange.
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    Aug 29, 2009 5:33 PM GMT
    Sorry... my mind saw 8oz and automatically inserted "juice". For me, the orange would be ok, but I'd definitely bump up the fat with that much protein.
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    Aug 29, 2009 5:42 PM GMT
    Try drinking lots and lots of water every few mins, that will make you take loads of trip to bathroom, but it also keeps away hunger. It works for me every tuesday, as I fast.
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    Aug 29, 2009 5:46 PM GMT
    Shnextdoor saidTry drinking lots and lots of water every few mins, that will make you take loads of trip to bathroom, but it also keeps away hunger. It works for me every tuesday, as I fast.


    Why do you fast every Tuesday?
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    Aug 29, 2009 6:18 PM GMT
    Why don't you try adding vegetables to your meal? Most vegetables are low in calories, high in nutrients, and the fiber content in them promotes the feeling of being full.
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    Aug 29, 2009 6:23 PM GMT
    fyi... not a nutritional expert, but I did manage to loose over 100 pounds in a 2 year period

    Protein from eggs is digested very quickly so dont expect it to keep you satisfied for very long.

    The sugar in the orange spiked your blood sugar and once it returned to normal levels you felt deprived.

    Not surprising you felt so hungry only 2 hours later
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    Aug 30, 2009 2:55 AM GMT
    You will feel hungry when you cut your calorie intake down quickly. There are basically 2 options here... Cut the calories down quickly (eating small meals often) and just deal with the feelings of hunger... and eventually your body will get used to the new way of eating... or gradually change your way of eating so you dont feel like you are starving!
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    Aug 30, 2009 3:34 PM GMT
    If you eat protein rich food wt less fat your going to set your metabolism at high speed. Its fine, just eat more often. I have lost some wait lately because i have done that same thing. I wake up early, eat a small protein rich food wt a cup of coffee, followed by some mild exercise to get the blood flowing and my metabolism on high gear. And within a couple of hours i can feel my body burning everything it can, i actually will feel light headed, so u have to eat again to not starve your body. And daily exercise, with alternate routines to shock the body, u don't want to be burning muscle now!!!!
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    Aug 30, 2009 4:33 PM GMT
    OnTheWayToMe said6 large egg whites with low fat cheddar and an 8 ounce orange and less than 2 hours later I am ravenous.


    You need to study food. As the saying goes, hold your friends close, and your enemies closer. Food is your enemy right now, but, if you learn to view it in the proper way, it can also be your best friend. You need to keep your calories UP.

    You're hungry because you don't understand how to manage your insulin. 6 eggs whites is roughly 24 grams of protein. Each gram of protein is 4 kcal. So, if you multiply 24 *4, you get 96 kcal. No WONDER you're hungry!!! DOH!!! Now,

    Now, if we go to http://www.metroplexfitness.net/food_database and we lookup oranges, We see that 8oz / 226.796185 grams = 111kcal.

    111 + 96 = 207. That's just not enough.

    So, your total calorie intake was roughly 96 + 111 or 207kcal. On top of that your carb source was frutose which is a fast sugar which causes your insulin to come up fast, and your blood sugar to plummet, so you end up feeling very hungry. You need, slow-burning, complex carbs, to keep you going with steady blood glucsose levels, meal to meal. The simple sugars of candy, or juice, are NOT what you should be doing. You need stuff life grits, oatmeal, farina / shredded wheat, potatoes (not super slow), that digest more slowly; that don't provoke a strong insulin response. Insulin management is the key to body fat level control.

    Your approach is the wrong way to feed yourself. Why? Because you bounce your blood sugar around, driving it high to low with simple sugars (the insulin response) and your body isn't getting enough calories so it slows down (the famine response).

    Now, I don't know how fat you are, nor how much LBM (lean body mass) you have so I can't compute your daily requirements, but, for you, it'll be somewhere around 15kcal per # of LBM. E.g. if you have 40% fat (very realistic because you're pretty darn fat) and you weight 350 pounds... you'll have .4 * 350 of fat on you (it just sits there and does nothing) so that's 140# of fat you're carrying around (laboring your heart, lungs, and destroying your joints) If we take 350 - 140, we get 210, and since you're not active we'll use 15 as our multiplier. In regular people that number can be as high as 20. Now, taking 15 * 210 we get 4200. 4200 would be the base kcal requirement for an inactive, person at your weight (You could even bring that number down to 10, probably, without having much trouble, because you're fat, although you have LBM, it's different than the LBM of a regular person). You'd multiply by 20 instead of 15 for a regular, active, person, seeking muscular gains. So...we'll say your kcal requirement is 4200. Let's then subtract 600 for wanting to lose weight, and we'll subtract another 600 because you're inactive. 4200 - 1200 = 3000 (which may not be quite enough, but, for the sake of discussion, I took off the second 600). Now, here's the tricky part, we want to eat enough to promote metabolism and avoid the famine response, but, we don't want to eat so much that we don't have a bit of a caloric deficit. In regular people, we bring calories UP, and get busy, and everything falls into line, but, because you're so fat, you have to consider that it's hard for you to be active, so you need to start walking.

    For the sake of discussion, using the example above, let's try to eat 6 times a day. So, dividing 3000 by 6 = 500. You need 500 kcal, 6 times a day, to feel decent and yet promote some weight loss.

    Here's what you need: a complex carb, say, grits. Now, if we look on the calorie calculator, we'll see that 1/4 cup of grits we'll see that it has 31 grams / 124 kcal, of nice, slow, carbs. That's exactly what you need in your small meals. Oatmeal, farina, grits, rice, and pasta are all pretty good, but, you can't eat lots of them, and you need to eat often...you want your blood sugar nice and stable. Done properly, you should never feel very hungry...ever. It's easy, once you educate yourself on food and understand how to properly fuel the human machine.

    When you don't eat, you train your body how to be a fat-storing machine; your metabolism slows, and you get frustrated. That's a plan for failure. You must eat, and view food as fuel, and not anything else.

    You must exercise to promote the processes that allow you to stay healthy.

    You need to understand how insulin works. Study everything you can. If you manage your insulin response, and eat slightly less than you burn, you WILL succeed.

    Patience, focus, persistence, and discipline, are critical to your success. You didn't become a fat ass over night and you won't become a healthy, regular, person in a day, a week, nor a month. It can take YEARS.

    I'd like you to complete your profile; use the calorie calculator and the diet tracker to track everything that goes into your mouth. I'd like to also hear about any physical work / workouts you do, and hear about your occupation. If you want to succeed, you can, but, it's about problem solving in earnest, and not the incessant whining you've done for three years.

    If you don't already have one, I'd like you to get an electronic scale and measure your portions. You can get them at Office Depot, or Officemax.