Drawing Lines...

  • extravagrind

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    Aug 30, 2009 4:41 PM GMT
    I didnt know you could define a gay culture? can you define a straight culture? Do sexual orientations involve culture? its whats in the bed lmfao, we should never ever draw the line, because then that line will always be there, which means we will always exculde or include things we shouldnt. We will always be diffrent. WE SEGREGATE ourselves. We become the assholes we love and hate lol. I wish i lived in a world where there were no lines, no boundaries. People always get pissed off when someone crosses the line, if there wasnt that line to begin with people wouldnt be able to cross it...I wish being gay wasnt such a big thing. We need to erase all lines, let us be free and happy.
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    Aug 30, 2009 5:23 PM GMT
    this is nice and all, but your just saying that you want the world to be bi. This is a sweet thought, but we are classified differently for a reason.. and people do act differently (in most cases) depending on what their orientation is. That might be "stereotypical". But if you look around, most black people do like fried chicken if you know what i mean.

    plus theres no way your getting a gay in a vag, or a real straight guy in a dudes ass consensually
  • styrgan

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    Aug 30, 2009 5:57 PM GMT
    A world without divisions, and without the understanding and tolerance for differences that comes with it, would be a sad and hollow place to live. If you want to leave a better world for the people who come after you, the solution doesn't lie in erasing "lines" or in realizing how little they mean. Acceptance of divergent cultures and lifestyles must be based on a new understanding of our humanity which excludes the concept of "normal" and celebrates the concept of uniqueness.
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    Aug 30, 2009 6:03 PM GMT
    styrgan saidA world without divisions, and without the understanding and tolerance for differences that comes with it, would be a sad and hollow place to live. If you want to leave a better world for the people who come after you, the solution doesn't lie in erasing "lines" or in realizing how little they mean. Acceptance of divergent cultures and lifestyles must be based on a new understanding of our humanity which excludes the concept of "normal" and celebrates the concept of uniqueness.


    Here Here......Well said.

    When I travel to different cities across the USA, I see the same mall with the same shops and the same people.

    When I go to one of those gay "Eagle" type leather bars, I see the same guys with the same tats and the same attitude.

    Let's just be ourselves and enjoy each other's differences, rather than trying to fit into a mold.

  • extravagrind

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    Aug 30, 2009 7:10 PM GMT
    thnx, i just dont fit in with the sterotypical gay crowd at all, dc is very pretentcious, im not attracted to a hot bod, what turns me on is someones mind, im not into the whole scene or whatever it is, i just wanna be me, im afraid ill be molded into the typical gay guy, which is not one of the reasons i came out. icon_smile.gif
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    Aug 30, 2009 8:10 PM GMT

    As a gay man, you are so much more than your sexual orientation....unless you walk around with a bed strapped to your back. Any community, no matter how small has a culture (things its members do, their flavor, what they are like). Individuals explore themselves and contribute what they find to the community, which makes them a part of it, not just a bystander. Explore yourself and your culture. A bedroom is surrounded by walls.

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    Aug 30, 2009 8:57 PM GMT
    If there were no lines - no guardrails, I wouldn't know what to push up against. While some boundaries can be beneficial, some are not. Knowing which lines can be crossed, therein lies the challenge.

    Cliche as it may be - be yourself - cross boundaries if you must - but be yourself. It's the old, "To thine own self be true..." Recognizing that there are certain social consequences to crossing certain lines, it's those consequences that we must be OK with.

    On that note, I think you may have issue with the consequences instead of the lines themselves. The lines provide the guardrails. It's the crash that happens when crossing them - that sucks.

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    Aug 30, 2009 10:56 PM GMT
    You are my hero.


    styrgan saidA world without divisions, and without the understanding and tolerance for differences that comes with it, would be a sad and hollow place to live. If you want to leave a better world for the people who come after you, the solution doesn't lie in erasing "lines" or in realizing how little they mean. Acceptance of divergent cultures and lifestyles must be based on a new understanding of our humanity which excludes the concept of "normal" and celebrates the concept of uniqueness.
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    Aug 30, 2009 11:00 PM GMT
    By all means fly your freak flag. There is no good reason to fit into "stereotypical gay culture" wtf-ever that actually is. Indeed, why go to the trouble of coming out and then spend the rest of our lives trying to fit in????

    That said, not fitting in is its own trip, and it has no more to recommend it.




    extravagrind saidthnx, i just dont fit in with the sterotypical gay crowd at all, dc is very pretentcious, im not attracted to a hot bod, what turns me on is someones mind, im not into the whole scene or whatever it is, i just wanna be me, im afraid ill be molded into the typical gay guy, which is not one of the reasons i came out. icon_smile.gif
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    Aug 30, 2009 11:48 PM GMT
    lines, names, labels, moulds, boxes, sexualities, genders, places, uniqueness, individuality.

    take one DEEP DEEP breath and relax, be yourself, live now, this minute this second. don't be who i or he or they want you to be, or do.

    Stop struggling with what others think, what we think, what all sides think.

    Be what ever you want to be right now.

    Stop trying to break the mould or fit in the mould.

    When you spend too much time focused on NOT being something or trying to hard to be something, you miss out on just being you.

    there will be always be the labellers and boxes and sides and lines, its human, but when you remove your meaning to these causes, and relax, you begin to live in your own moment and enjoy life.

    essentially no one cares what you think anyway, because they will always have there own opinion, when you stop taking there opinion to heart, you can just be you. (I know easier said than done)


    do ya see a pattern evolving here.....?icon_biggrin.gif


    Fuck it, enjoy now
  • nadaquever_rm

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    Aug 31, 2009 12:02 AM GMT
    extravagrind said...I wish being gay wasnt such a big thing.


    Being gay isn't a big thing. Accepting that you're gay is a big thing. Letting your gayness be a problem in your life is just foolish.

    The only lines that exist are the ones you draw for yourself.

    Go be you!
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    Aug 31, 2009 12:05 AM GMT
    I like lines, they make pretty pictures.
  • jrs1

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    Aug 31, 2009 9:49 AM GMT

    we may need some boundaries in place so that our values, morals, and the like may be operationally defined. however, boundaries that are simply meant to exclude others for the sake of fear, rather than informed cooperation - to say the least - is not only a normative bias, but is also ignorant.