Do You Believe?

  • Joeyphx444

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    Aug 31, 2009 5:46 AM GMT
    In fate, destiny, soulmates, things happening for a reason, karma, one door closes another opens type stuff?
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    Aug 31, 2009 5:55 AM GMT
    I do not.
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    Aug 31, 2009 6:16 AM GMT
    Jmuscle33 saidIn fate, destiny, soulmates, things happening for a reason, karma, one door closes another opens type stuff?

    I believe that you control your own destiny. There are no outside forces that determine your path in life. Basically, you get what you give.
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    Aug 31, 2009 6:20 AM GMT
    Jmuscle33 saidIn fate, destiny, soulmates, things happening for a reason, karma, one door closes another opens type stuff?


    Im a bit on both sides I guess you could say?

    Karma, things happening, etc. is almost direct result of the life you lead. Then there is the fact that things happen, life happens.

    I am Christian, and believe in God (Obviously, I'm a more liberal Christian...lol). But I have a bit of a more realistic (for a lack of a better term?) view on it. IE: People praise God for taking away their addictions. Not the case because he give us free will. To do so ("Take away the addiction") would completely negate that gift.

    Soul mates? Hmm.. I do believe that there HAS to be someone out there that you are perfectly attuned to, or damn close to it.

    Doors opening...... I think there are opportunities everywhere, and every day. If that wasn't the case, I wouldn't have made it through some of harder parts of my life to this point. The question is, are you able to see it?

    Fate? To quote Sarah Connor from Terminator, " There is no fate but what you make.". I take from that that life happens, and its what you do with it that matters.

  • TallGWMvballe...

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    Aug 31, 2009 6:54 AM GMT
    I take the side of Epiphany1882 for the most part even though I am not a christian.

    Fate; NO, but having said that, it does seem that luck, happenstance and coincidence are the closest thing,

    Destiny; NO same as above

    Soulmates; I certainly hope so and SO believe there are matches out there for each of us on a very deep level.... the trick is to recognize and act on it.

    Karma; nearly every religion and philosophy has some version of that.
    It is simply logical to realize that good people doing good attract other like people and bad people etc...

    One door closes another opens;

    Yes all the time... again the trick is to know when it is the time to walk away and the time to play your hunch.... hmmm sounds a little like,
    "know when to hold em, know when to fold em,
    Know when to walk away and know when to run" icon_smile.gif

  • kew1

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    Aug 31, 2009 7:29 AM GMT
    xrichx said
    Jmuscle33 saidIn fate, destiny, soulmates, things happening for a reason, karma, one door closes another opens type stuff?

    I believe that you control your own destiny. There are no outside forces that determine your path in life. Basically, you get what you give.



    Half agree - you can't control what other people do & what they do can affect you. We live in a sort of social Brownian Motion. Also , sometimes - shit happens.
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    Aug 31, 2009 12:37 PM GMT
    Fate, destiny ? no.

    Karma ? Not sure. TO some degree yes but , not everything I think is due to karma. The holocaust and all the other genocides we hear about arent always due to karma but our own violent tendencies.

    One door opens/closes? makes sense but never looked at it in a spiritual manner.


    My spiritual leanings take the form of the idea of balance /moderation in life that buddhists seem to ascribe to. ( not that I am that great at maintaining balance lol )

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    Aug 31, 2009 12:38 PM GMT
    Jmuscle33 saidIn fate, destiny, soulmates, things happening for a reason, karma, one door closes another opens type stuff?


    Completely.
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    Aug 31, 2009 12:55 PM GMT
    No
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    Aug 31, 2009 12:57 PM GMT
    xrichx said
    Jmuscle33 saidIn fate, destiny, soulmates, things happening for a reason, karma, one door closes another opens type stuff?

    I believe that you control your own destiny. There are no outside forces that determine your path in life. Basically, you get what you give.


    What he said icon_smile.gif
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    Aug 31, 2009 1:55 PM GMT
    Jmuscle33 saidIn fate, destiny, soulmates, things happening for a reason, karma, one door closes another opens type stuff?


    Not until I can get some well executed empirical research to cause me to think otherwise.
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    Aug 31, 2009 1:59 PM GMT
    in the words of Whitney and Mariah.... "You will when you believe."

    I do. I am not a person who lives my life based around these ideas, but in my logical mind I have made the assumption that some things just are meant to happen!
  • superboy32

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    Aug 31, 2009 2:09 PM GMT
    Life is what you make of it and being an Atheist you get one shot at this.
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    Aug 31, 2009 2:11 PM GMT
    I mostly don't but I kinda do. How's that for clarity?
  • jgymnast733

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    Aug 31, 2009 2:26 PM GMT
    Of course i do, I'm living proof...!!!!!!
  • MSUBioNerd

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    Aug 31, 2009 2:47 PM GMT
    No. I think acting as if one door will open whenever another closes can be useful, as optimism is a good way to go through life, but I feel that to a large extent what we view as luck in life is more a result of people being aware of their opportunities and making the best of them. Similarly, I think acting as if karma was a real thing may make you a better person, in that you'll be deliberately doing what you think is right in the higher sense than what is in your short-term interests, but I feel that believing too strongly in actual karma/fate/destiny/the afterlife can lead people to be complacent about accepting evil in the world, as they have a belief that those who perpetrate it will be punished later, while those who suffer now will be rewarded later on.

    And as far as soulmates, I find the idea terrifyingly depressing. With well over 6 billion people on the planet, the idea that there's a singular individual who is perfectly suited to you--what are the odds you will ever meet him? Or that you and he will both be single, open to a relationship, and not make some horrible mistake that leads to a tremendously bad first impression? Ugh. No, I believe that there are individuals who are more and less suited to each other, but the idea of a soulmate; well, if it were true, that would be a pretty awful thing for the vast majority of humanity.
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    Aug 31, 2009 3:07 PM GMT
    I don't believe in Karma, neither do I believe that your destiny is fixed in such a way that nothing can be done about it.
    Yet on one hand, the Bible does say that the number of days in a person's life is fixed, even death by suicide, murder, an illness or accident is foreknown by God. So is the case of a dramatic rescue from danger, a recovery from illness, a failed suicide attempt followed by a change of mind; also as is the case of level of education one would receive, what kind of vocation he would pursue, whether successful at his job, or a drifter, whether he'll end up rich or a beggar, whether he'll be straight, gay, bi, married with children, remains single, whether he chooses good or evil.
    All these things God knows about a person even before he is conceived in his mother's womb. And God ordains who his parents will be, where and when he will be born, and how many days he will live, whether he dies at birth (stillborn) or lives up to 36,525 days (a hundred years).
    And yet we are given a choice whether to believe in God, or not to believe, to submit or to rebel, to believe in Creation or to believe in evolution, to convert to Christianity, to Judaism, to Islam, Buddhism or Atheism, or remain agnostic.
    We decide where to live, our vocation, we choose whether to marry, to stay single, to have sex with a guy, or refrain. We decide to get a passport and travel, or stay at home. If we fall ill, it's up to us to seek treatment, and if one are depressed, one choose suicide, or make an appointment to see a counsellor.
    Two contradicting issues? Yes! But both are equally true.
    That is the mystery of the Universe.
  • nadaquever_rm

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    Aug 31, 2009 3:14 PM GMT
    No more than I believe in gods, ghosts, or Jack Frost- but no less either.
  • Wellinator

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    Aug 31, 2009 3:18 PM GMT
    Jmuscle33 saidIn fate, destiny, soulmates, things happening for a reason, karma, one door closes another opens type stuff?


    You are the creator of your reality. There are no mistakes or accidents. Perception is an act of creation. What you perceive is what you believe.
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    Aug 31, 2009 3:27 PM GMT
    Jmuscle33 saidIn fate, destiny, soulmates, things happening for a reason, karma, one door closes another opens type stuff?





    I truly do. People, things, actions, and etc all happen with a specific purpose in one's life. We can not run to or away from it......just let it happen, whether good or bad. This is how we grow as a person.
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    Aug 31, 2009 3:32 PM GMT
    No.
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    Aug 31, 2009 4:16 PM GMT
    Yes.
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    Aug 31, 2009 4:28 PM GMT
    Absolutely *not*

    That's what makes the love we find and the times we cherish so important.

    Karma, doors opening, destiny, blah, blah, blah... their all lines derived to comfort people who don't find *life* reason enough to live.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Aug 31, 2009 4:32 PM GMT
    Jmuscle33 saidIn fate, destiny, soulmates, things happening for a reason, karma, one door closes another opens type stuff?



    I believe in it to some degree, but I also believe that we have control over our own destiny too. Sometimes you have to go out and make things happen. You also have to keep an open mind to all possibilities because if you close a door too soon you may lose out on a chance that had come your way for a reason. If you fail to grasp that opportunity, it can be lost possibly forever.
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    Aug 31, 2009 5:42 PM GMT
    No.

    Like bacteria, flies, algae, mildew, I'm an opportunist. Each closing door merely prompts a new left turn. The moment I stop taking those left turns, I'm through. There is no outside agent that directs this.